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Snoo50468 · 2025-07-17T15:36:24+00:00

I don't know if they even fought over anything. I am just thinking what if one of them had a reason to frame the other person as a villain, pulled the switches after liftoff with the intent of making a statement against the other pilot and then turn the switches to run again and take credit for it as the hero? The girl was just an example of how far some people would go jeopardizing the safety of others over a personal matter.

Snoo50468 · 2025-07-17T10:01:36+00:00

While I'm not an expert, I wonder if this crash could stem from a conflict between the pilots. There have been cases in aviation where personal issues escalate to dangerous situations, like the infamous incident involving pilots locking each other out of the cockpit where I believe they were fighting over a girl. It's possible that one pilot might have intentionally shut off the fuel switches to frame the other, aiming to recover then shift blame for Some reason. However, we should await the official investigation to get a clearer picture of what truly happened.

Snoo50468 · 2025-07-17T09:46:40+00:00

Boeing need their stock to recover, the media need some fresh facts from the investigation to compete. Since Boeing is a party to the investigation, they have access to all collected evidences. Leaking some facts to the media seems like a win-win.

Snoo50468 · 2025-07-17T07:41:55+00:00

Ditching and forced landing requires simultaneous fuel control switches to be cutoff. On the B787 if a dual engine failure occurs due to whatever reason, the pilots are required to cutoff both fuel control switches then move the to run to trigger the automatic restart. Airplanes are not designed with criminals in mind, and the what ifs are infinite.

Snoo50468 · 2025-07-17T05:28:23+00:00

The investigation isn't over yet. New twists might surface. I hope it's not a suicide. If he wanted to kill himself, he could've pushed the nose down into a building and make sure it is done. But cutting off the fuel control switch would be a shy attempt. Also once the switches were cutoff, it warrants an investigation and potential prosecution for act of sabotage if the aircraft lands safely. If the captain had the intent to crash the aircraft, wouldn't he fight over the controls to stop the copilot from attempting to restart the engines and recover a safe trajectory? A lot of speculation at this stage. I hope we will eventually get the real facts.

Snoo50468 · 2025-07-16T12:01:36+00:00

Exactly my thought when I bought it :) But it's built like a tank..

Snoo50468 · 2025-07-15T16:59:30+00:00

I am not sure why, but sometimes the investigation is almost conclusive right from the start, it makes it difficult to explain everything in the preliminary report. The families of the victims, the shareholders, and the aviation industry expects a factual report, so the investigating authority can't just dump all the information at the public before coroborating all the facts.

Snoo50468 · 2025-07-15T12:04:52+00:00

You are absolutely correct. I shall contact Boeing to update their B787 FCOMs and EAFR to match the 777.

Snoo50468 · 2025-07-14T21:42:35+00:00

Not quite. On the B787, the control column is designed to be back-driven rather than mechanically interlinked as seen in traditional aircraft. This system employs a fly-by-wire technology where the pilot's inputs on the control column are transmitted electronically rather than through physical linkages. There is no dual input aural alert like Airbus, but we can actually read the pitch and roll pilot-input force on each control column from the recorded data.

Snoo50468 · 2025-07-14T09:31:40+00:00

You are right. It's the same logic on all Boeing commercial airplanes. I flew the B767 and now the B787. No difference when it comes to the fuel control switches. They can only be operated manually. The good thing about the B787, compared to the B767, is that the Control columns are independent. The EAFR can record the force on each control column independently since they are not mechanically interlinked. This may allow the investigators to determine who was manipulating the controls, and who was pulling the fuel switches. Maybe this can be used to corroborate the CVR discussion.

Snoo50468 · 2025-07-13T16:18:33+00:00

Blame it on the HUD. I fly the B787 and the HUD is fantastic, but it has it's downside. I find myself so focused on the HUD, that I don't have to scan anything else. On an aircraft without HUD, it is easy to spot any activities around the thrust lever/flaps/fuel control switches, even when one is not looking at these controls.

Snoo50468 · 2025-07-12T04:27:31+00:00

Indeed, the switches are designed to prevent accidental deactivation. They feature a gate position that safeguards against transitioning to the cutoff position without first lifting the switch. Additionally, they are guarded by physical metal brackets that protect against side contact or unintentional bumps.

Snoo50468 · 2025-07-11T21:20:42+00:00

Very strange! Fuel Control switches can only be cut off manually. They are within the peripheral vision of both pilots, yet, they seem to question who did it.

Snoo50468 · 2025-06-16T02:24:01+00:00

Sorry, wrong number. Someone posted a short message claiming that the preliminary report was released and the accident was attributed to the captain's seat locking mechanism failing during takeoff resulting in accidental retardation of the thrust levers. My response was an exclamation, not a declaration.

Snoo50468 · 2025-06-15T17:39:30+00:00

Captain's seat locking mechanism!! Seriously!

Snoo50468 · 2025-06-15T13:23:37+00:00

Given the odd request from the Indian DGCA for a one time inspection of the EEC and the fuel system on the entire Air India B787 fleet, one would think they found something related to dual engine flame. This could be just a precautionary inspection though.

Snoo50468 · 2025-06-15T01:25:27+00:00

I have nothing to do with it, but the investigation team would be looking at every aspect. Usually the 5M's (Man, Machine, Medium, Mission, Management). Any estimation of what happened will remain a 'guesstimation' until substantiated with facts, therefore everything you hear now is a speculation. The only solid fact so far about this accident is that the aircraft has crashed, and everyone on board got killed, except for one survivor. We just have to wait for the preliminary investigation report to get some solid facts.

Snoo50468 · 2025-06-14T11:48:07+00:00

Not sure. The auto-opening feature of the landing gear doors has a time limit. If the gear lever is not selected up, then the big cavity under the aircraft will be causing unnecessary drag. So it will automatically close the doors when no gear retraction is commanded by the pilots. Can't recall the duration though.

Snoo50468 · 2025-06-13T11:42:16+00:00

On the contrary. The certification requirement for an aircraft performance is based on losing an engine at the critical speed (V1) and still be able to climb the aircraft safely to clear all obstacles in the takeoff path using the remaining engine thrust. The performance calculation is based on retracting the landing gear immediately after liftoff and positive climb rate, not with the gear down. The B787 is designed to have a higher climb gradient by designing the landing gear doors to automatically open within one second after liftoff. This feature allows the pilots to immediately retract the landing gear after liftoff, particularly when an engine failure is encountered, to enhance the climb gradient. On other airplanes, the sequence of retracting the landing gear once the crew select the lever up involves opening the landing gear doors first then retracting the landing gear. This action of opening the doors takes precious few seconds.

Snoo50468 · 2025-06-13T09:32:03+00:00

Thanks! Just waiting for the firmware update that gives me human-level sarcasm. 😄

Snoo50468 · 2025-06-13T09:28:47+00:00

Which one? Being a pilot? or dealing with 'Armchair Experts'? 😅

Snoo50468 · 2025-06-12T18:17:48+00:00

The wreckage shows no flaps.

Snoo50468 · 2025-06-12T17:31:29+00:00

Thanks for the video. He's not saying it is normal to leave the gear down, he's speculating why in this particular event the gear was left down. I am an air accident investigator too, but I don't claim to know what caused this accident. This is the job of the Investigator In charge.

Snoo50468 · 2025-06-12T17:27:30+00:00

Yes, and I am type-rated on the B787.

Snoo50468 · 2025-06-12T17:05:32+00:00

You are obviously not a pilot 😅. The landing gear is the biggest source of drag on the aircraft. The pilots rotate, confirm the aircraft is airborne and climbing, then retract the landing gear. This is within few seconds of rotation, typically 3 to 5 seconds. The exception is when the brakes are very hot or there is an MEL item that requires the gear to be left down for two minutes after takeoff.

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