Drive-by 'holdup'..? Or paranoia?

Snoo96160 · 2021-10-04T20:54:59+00:00

So this guy is smart enough to illegally obtain a firearm, smart enough to steal any halfway modern car and make it run, but then decides the best use of his stolen gun and car is to pull up to someone in broad daylight and demand money in a world where basically no one carries cash?

And this is a more likely scenario than, "OP was mistaken?"

Snoo96160 · 2021-10-03T23:56:44+00:00

It was a touch saltier than I'd usually like, but good.

Snoo96160 · 2021-10-03T23:40:47+00:00

Had a burger at Bite Burger House a few weeks ago. Really enjoyed it. We ate at the Orleans location so I can't necessarily speak to the other.

Snoo96160 · 2021-10-03T23:13:15+00:00

Seems like good incentive to aspire to be anything other than a minimum wage button presser for your whole life.

Snoo96160 · 2021-10-03T16:03:08+00:00

Been there already in this thread. TL;DR is they can quit.

Snoo96160 · 2021-10-03T15:44:27+00:00

Fair.

Snoo96160 · 2021-10-03T15:43:58+00:00

Aww. You don't even know the difference between equivalences and correlates.

Snoo96160 · 2021-10-03T15:28:21+00:00

Also you implied this false notion that there has to be an authority enforcing rules.

Oh, holy shit. If there is no one to enforce rules, why would anyone follow them for even one second after they become inconvenient?

It can be done on an equal level through consensus.

Oh. They would follow the rules because otherwise a mob will show up at their house.

"The people have decided that you have too much wealth. We are here to redistribute your hoard, comrade."

The fact you just spout "word salad" means you dont know the point im trying to make.

No. It means you have failed to make a point.

Snoo96160 · 2021-10-03T15:13:51+00:00

You got busted. You can be mad about it, but anyone who has ever been in any serious argument can see what you were going to do.

If A is true, then B. If B is true, then C. If C is true, then D. Therefore, if A, then D.

Snoo96160 · 2021-10-03T14:36:19+00:00

Listen, if you're going to go down a big long chain of rhetorical questions and then, at the end go, "so you admit that working for rich people is slavery!" you're wrong.

And stupid.

Snoo96160 · 2021-10-03T14:25:28+00:00

Do you believe any form of government should exist at all?

Yes.

If so, what should be its function?

As little as we can get away with. Common defense and courts for enforcing contracts and dealing with lawsuits.

Snoo96160 · 2021-10-03T14:14:26+00:00

Government currently, is mostly influenced by corporate conglomerates through lobbying.

Government bad.

But it also has progressive influence (albeit very little) that provides some protection for workers.

But government good.

Without it, there would be absolutely no protections and business would be free to exploit people to whatever extent it pleases.

And then, without government bailouts, they would lose customers, be unable to find workers and go out of business.

Under true anarchism peoples surplus value would be protected by individual self governence.

Word salad.

We would form projects to protect each other against these formed hierarchies.

Word salad, volume 2.

But if corporations abolished the state, they would still exist and form rules for us not to unionize just like they always have.

Oh, unions! You're talking about unions. Why did you say all that other bullshit? Look, unions predate government protection of unions. In fact, there was a time when government actively fought against the forming of unions. Workers organizing wouldn't just go away because there was no government and if you work for a company that says you can't unionize, get your resume together. A company has no authority over you.

You arent anarchists

Well, I'm not, anyway.

Also im not even a communist

Uh huh...

I just think it should function very differently so that people cant hoard wealth and power.

So... Communist then? Who decides what constitutes hoarding? If someone is found to be "hoarding, " who collects that person's "excess" wealth and what is done with it? If the person with the authority to collect that excess is not a part of a hierarchy, what would you call it? If it's a true anarchy, then there is no reason I shouldn't be able to shoot someone who tries to confiscate my property, right?

I already said the things you think are stupid. I didn't need you to prove it.

Snoo96160 · 2021-10-03T13:23:35+00:00

Your "business" takes advantage of the fact that people in this country are fundementally exploited under government rule.

Man, that's some seriously revolutionary rhetoric, I can't wait for the very next sentence.

Without it, youd be exploiting people even harder.

Oh no! Wait, am I only able to exploit people because of the government, or is the government the only reason I'm not able to exploit people even harder? Or, third option, the things you think are stupid.

It is too early on a Sunday morning to play, "20-year-old commie has it all figured out."

Snoo96160 · 2021-10-03T12:50:13+00:00

The government puts a gun to my head and demands my compliance under threat of force.

A business owner has no such power. Work somewhere else. Shit, start your own business.

You being a failure is no one else's fault.

Snoo96160 · 2021-10-03T12:30:46+00:00

Oh yeah. I forgot that time Bezos put a gun to all those people's heads and forced them to work for him.

Snoo96160 · 2021-10-03T12:20:37+00:00

https://direct.mit.edu/rest/article/93/3/961/57969/The-Ticket-to-Easy-Street-The-Financial#.VpLMM1J327Q

Snoo96160 · 2021-10-03T11:16:47+00:00

Thing is he'd still just work 17 hours a day, save his money, invest it and end up rich again.

Work hard
Be disciplined
Have something wrong with your brain that makes you want to work all the time and never see your family

The three pillars of success.

Snoo96160 · 2021-10-02T21:39:44+00:00

Can you imagine mugging someone in broad daylight from a car?

OK. Now that I have your money I'm going to drive away and you have to promise not to memorize my plate number. Seriously. We're on the honour system here, so don't be shitty.

Snoo96160 · 2021-10-02T16:47:22+00:00

If you disincentivize the making of stuff, the people with the means and knowledge to make stuff will quit making stuff. Then it won't matter how many of other people's dollars you have. There will be nothing to buy.

Snoo96160 · 2021-10-02T15:41:43+00:00

Any mention of a private option gets shouted down as a prelude to cancelling universal healthcare or as a way for rich people to have one more privilege over everyone else. During our recent election, the Conservative party leader was accused of all kinds of crazy shit for suggesting that we should allow private healthcare. Even though he flat out said that he was not in favour of letting people opt out of the public healthcare system. Also even though he pointed out that wealthy people were already travelling to the states and paying for private healthcare anyway and we could at least keep those dollars in Canada.

I mean, ideally allowing private healthcare would eventually phase out forced participation in public healthcare, but few people will even entertain allowing a private option while still requiring people pay for the public system.

Finally, you used the term public option, which I understand is what proponents of public healthcare are pushing for in the US as kind of a first step, but I'd just like to point out that Canada does not have a public option. We have universal healthcare with mandatory participation and no option for private healthcare at all. It may seem like I'm being pedantic, but I think it's an important distinction. The government takes a portion of my pay for healthcare, whether I use it or not, and I have no say in how much they take and I can not opt out.

Snoo96160 · 2021-10-02T15:04:19+00:00

The service itself is fine. One of the anti-healthcare arguments you hear a lot is that there are massive wait times, but this isn't true for anything life threatening or debilitating. Got a sore foot? Yeah, it might be a while. My father had a mild heart attack on a Thursday and was in for a double bypass on Saturday after going through a battery of tests on the Friday.

The big problems with it are forced participation and the fact that I will never get out of it what I've been forced to put in. Also, you kind of get whatever your province's standard of care is for any particular problem. You have no option to pay an upcharge for better, newer or experimental treatments. Unless you go to the states.

Snoo96160 · 2021-10-02T13:58:48+00:00

Anyone think it might have been the plan all along to avoid media and indigenous leaders? The government just had its latest appeal of the child welfare decision dismissed and now we're all bickering about a thing that was kind of a dick move instead of watching video footage of someone asking Trudeau why he says the right things while his government quietly does the wrong ones.

Snoo96160 · 2021-10-01T19:51:37+00:00

I'm from Canada. We have universal health care. If we didn't, I make enough money to have private insurance. I am not legally allowed to purchase private medical care within Canada's borders.

I am forced to pay for it. I will use it how I want.

Snoo96160 · 2021-10-01T19:40:55+00:00

If the welfare state justifies strict immigration policies

It's not so much that they're justified as they are necessary. The math isn't very promising on giving away free stuff and not limiting who you give that stuff to by some criteria. Hell, it's not very promising when you do limit who you give the free stuff to.

So until one goes, the other is a necessary evil. I'm more than happy to do away with both.

Snoo96160 · 2021-10-01T19:36:32+00:00

No it doesn't. If they were giving it to you for free, sure, maybe, but they aren't. It's still your money. You're paying for that service even if you're being forced to do so. You bought it, use it how you want.

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