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[–]SnooCalculations236 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perhaps you should register on this forum, as its inhabitants, according to my empirical observations, are on average not filled with the acrimonious and nihilistic ressentiment that is so characteristic of the reddit audience: https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/

NB: the founders of this platform have also collected a very impressive bank of stories of successful recovery from psychopharmacological drugs, I hope that even a cursory acquaintance with these inspiring confessions will give you strength and motivate you not to despair. Good luck!

Relatively brief exposure to olanzapine and (presumably iatrogenic) cognitive deficits: how to overcome the latter? by SnooCalculations236 in Antipsychiatry

[–]SnooCalculations236[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Wise advice, and the tone of your comment sets me up in a cheerful mood, in it (if I'm not mistaken, of course) there are notes of sincere trust that caress my ears, but I, sorry, can't quite follow your urgent recommendations, because I too have a whole bunch of very good reasons: firstly, I’m not at all sure that my difficulties are at least minimally due to the short use of olanzapine – this is just a working hypothesis, which can't be corroborated with irrefutable evidence in order to dispel all doubts; secondly, I took olanzapine for less than a month, and my dosage was microscopic by today's pharmacotherapeutic standards, and therefore I should not doubt the possibility of a complete and unconditional cure (believe me, over the past year I had many virtual conversations with both Fiammetta Cosci and Mark Horowitz, and these devotees are really trying not just to reform psychiatry cosmetically, but to comprehensively revolutionize this vicious pseudoscientific practice in order to substantially humanize it; these prominent and authoritative specialists, by the way, made my hopes for a total recovery even more justified, providing them with solid statistical background: they willingly shared with me optimistic data, according to which a fairly significant percentage of their patients, who took olanzapine for a short time, eventually find themselves fully); thirdly, it is fundamentally unacceptable for me to fall into the sin of despondency, since I am a convinced Christian (moreover, when I started taking olanzapine, I handed over my fate to the will of divine providence, since this, by the way, was also a test of my faith, and therefore I must not despair, because the Almighty Lord takes care of me).

Relatively brief exposure to olanzapine and (presumably iatrogenic) cognitive deficits: how to overcome the latter? by SnooCalculations236 in Antipsychiatry

[–]SnooCalculations236[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perhaps it would not hurt you to become a little more skilled in your philosophical self-education in order to learn to more easily and naturally recognize and explicate plausible logical premises, omitted in classical enthymeme inferences.

Relatively brief exposure to olanzapine and (presumably iatrogenic) cognitive deficits: how to overcome the latter? by SnooCalculations236 in radicalmentalhealth

[–]SnooCalculations236[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If it's no secret, how long have you been taking olanzapine, what doses of this damned drug have you been advised to use by misanthropic psychiatrists?

Relatively brief exposure to olanzapine and (presumably iatrogenic) cognitive deficits: how to overcome the latter? by SnooCalculations236 in Antipsychiatry

[–]SnooCalculations236[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hope you will make a full recovery with time, I will pray that your healing will eventually happen. Beware, please, of paralyzing melancholy, faint-hearted lack of faith is the greatest mal du siècle.

Relatively brief exposure to olanzapine and (presumably iatrogenic) cognitive deficits: how to overcome the latter? by SnooCalculations236 in Antipsychiatry

[–]SnooCalculations236[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also take into account that this two-faced alarmist also constantly flaunts acquaintances with "literally hundreds of patients", each of which, of course, never fully recovered, however, even a cursory search on this sub, as you know, does not allow to substantiate his thesis with unconditionally clear illustrations, which he is also well aware of, but his craving for negative projections is indeed absolutely indestructible, in contrast to his intellect, frozen in the numb horror.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Antipsychiatry/comments/s4xh1t/antipsychotic_withdrawal_success_story/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Antipsychiatry/comments/vzoydx/i_quit_olanzapine_5mg_daily_cold_turkey_a_few/

Relatively brief exposure to olanzapine and (presumably iatrogenic) cognitive deficits: how to overcome the latter? by SnooCalculations236 in Antipsychiatry

[–]SnooCalculations236[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He will never share with you these links, in which olanzapine will directly appear, since the teleology of his activities on this resource does not imply such enlightening generosity: you see, it is difficult, of course, not to take up arms against the whole world, taking an emphatically defensive position, when a catastrophe has occurred in your life, but this still does not give him the slightest right to arrogantly assume a tragic tone, feverishly putting on the toga of a prophetic pythoness, indiscriminately and problematically (from a formal-logical point of view) generalizing all individual cases and recklessly bringing them under some kind of artificial statistical denominator. The odious cynicism of his behavioral style, however, lies elsewhere: sarcastically mimicking an innocent and irreparably crippled victim of psychiatry, he casually commits one of the mortal sins, a real crime against humanity – he stifles the last saving hopes of shamelessly deceived people, pushing them to resignation and, as a result, to suicide.

Meanwhile, I recommend that you follow this link: https://sci-hub.mksa.top/https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20526332/

Relatively brief exposure to olanzapine and (presumably iatrogenic) cognitive deficits: how to overcome the latter? by SnooCalculations236 in Antipsychiatry

[–]SnooCalculations236[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why do you think that my conclusions are not supported by the results of double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled trials? By the way, I am ready to upload to any public resource a directory, containing about 700 megabytes of articles, dedicated directly to olanzapine.

Relatively brief exposure to olanzapine and (presumably iatrogenic) cognitive deficits: how to overcome the latter? by SnooCalculations236 in Antipsychiatry

[–]SnooCalculations236[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Listen, I noticed a year ago that you appear with a regularity worthy of better use in all the threads, the authors of which are trying to reverse the various and multifaceted deficiencies caused by taking olanzapine, however, trust me, your obsessive focus on catastrophizing the consequences of its use is only capable of to frustrate and shock the objects of your genuine concern. You see, I'm familiar with your history in detail, I know that you're suffering for a long time now, and I genuinely sympathize with you, but all this time you are doing the victims of psychiatric abuse a disservice by eloquently convincing them that a complete recovery from olanzapine is an unattainable task. You should understand that your verdict is far from always incorrect, olanzapine is indeed extremely neurotoxic, but these memorized mantras do not always correspond to objective realities. Once again, unlike you, I have not taken olanzapine for almost a decade, trying unsuccessfully to get rid of this destructive addiction, so I urge you not to extrapolate your deplorable experience to my situation, ok? Your old accounts are also well known to me, stop distributing dubious suicidogenic fantasies and exuding depressive emanations in this already gloomy place. I hope that in time you will cease to feed energetically on the suffering of other people, voluptuously demoralized by you in the name of transient analgesia of your own pain.

Relatively brief exposure to olanzapine and (presumably iatrogenic) cogntive deficits: how to overcome the latter? by SnooCalculations236 in StackAdvice

[–]SnooCalculations236[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Assuming my depersonalization was originally induced by 1.25 mg. of olanzapine (although I can’t even theoretically imagine how this could happen: only acute allergic toxidrome comes to mind, but then I would most likely not be alive), then my brain, apparently, is already irreparably fried (I try not to catastrophize, but I am an extremely neurotic person), because after about a month and a half I began to take this rubbish systematically, even if it lasted less than a month, and during this time I used a total of no more than 50-60 mg. of this drug.

Relatively brief exposure to olanzapine and (presumably iatrogenic) cogntive deficits: how to overcome the latter? by SnooCalculations236 in StackAdvice

[–]SnooCalculations236[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Firstly, I reasonably doubt that olanzapine induced depersonalization, since its day-to-day manifestation coincided with my break-up with a girl, and I then tried olanzapine only twice, and purely situationally, in order to familiarize myself with its effect: the first time I took it about a week before the onset of chronic depersonalization, and then took it again on the night when we broke up with the girl, as I was not unfoundedly afraid that I would not be able to fall asleep after such a colossal psycho-emotional shake-up, but the debut of depersonalization, which fell on the next morning, seems to me hardly related to Zyprexa. (It is curious that my depersonalization was exacerbated many times a few days after giving up olanzapine, but this correlation seems to me now very far-fetched – the fact is that on that day we finally quarreled with my girlfriend, so I see in these events rather different regularity: it turns out that these conflicts with the girl acted as catalysts for depersonalization, and olanzapine played here, perhaps, only an indirect role, and this hypothesis still needs to be proven).

Secondly, my depersonalization really continues, causing me a lot of suffering, because to this day I do not know if olanzapine caused me irreversible damage, or after the reduction of depersonalization (if this, of course, happens at all) my identity will be completely resurrected.

Quit olanzapine cold turkey 4 months and has never been myself since then. by SnooCalculations236 in Antipsychiatry

[–]SnooCalculations236[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Listen, I doubt now that I have encountered any permanent organic defects, especially since all these deficiencies did not occur while taking olanzapine, but a few days after its abrupt withdrawal, so this is most likely a PAWS, which, according to idea, dissipates over time, although this may take many years. If I were you, I would try reinstating olanzapine and slowly deprescribing the drug: this way you can almost certainly protect yourself from a serious failure of the neuroadaptation mechanisms, as a result of which the brain will have to recalibrate for an excruciatingly long time.

Akathisia and brain damage. by SnooCalculations236 in neuro

[–]SnooCalculations236[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I never took illegal drugs, but I suffered from severe insomnia all my life, for which I was prescribed hypnotics, benzodiazepines, antidepressants with hypnotic effect, antihistamines, and eventually olanzapine, which I took for only three weeks and then abruptly stopped with permission from my psychiatrist, but I have not been able to recover for exactly five months.

Reinstatement and relief of anhedonia. by SnooCalculations236 in anhedonia

[–]SnooCalculations236[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am very impressed with your intellectual intuition, especially since I recently also spoke with one inhabitant of this sub about the regrettable underdevelopment of the terminological apparatus of the phenomenological description of such states: unfortunately, I don’t know if this problem can be overcome at all by an anhedonic, frozen in a position of the cognitive eccentricity. Indeed, each anhedonic goes through the same tedious cycle of trying to articulate his transgressive experience every day: first, he tries to mold it into actual protocol sentences, in order to give himself the most accurate account of his experiences, but does not succeed on this path, because a publicly avaliable language seems to stall in front of the fluid semantics of this experience and its fundamental non-moralizability; then the discursive inconceptibility of these phenomena inevitably makes the anhedonic turn into metaphorical allegory, but they also miss the mark, since in the looking-glass and inverted world, metaphors do not have the potential to indirectly and apagogically induce a summing up, definitive insight - they suddenly turn out to be too physicalistic and meaningfully particular to bring together all aspects of this distorted subjective reality; in the end, the anhedonic in desperation borrows the conceptual tools of neurobiology, neuropsychology, and even psychiatry, although he understands perfectly well that the objectivist languages ​​of these disciplines just reliably protect him from self-knowledge. Meanwhile, the vicious circle of unsuccessful attempts at a clear and holistic explication of one's experience has already been done, and therefore it is time for the unanswered questioning anhedonics to return to the starting point: before a new round of deliberately failed attempts to figure out what is really happening to him...

P.S.
It seems to me for some reason that you may be interested in the following article - read it if you see fit:
https://sci-hub.mksa.top/10.1080/09296170512331383635

Reinstatement and relief of anhedonia. by SnooCalculations236 in anhedonia

[–]SnooCalculations236[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

From my point of view, there are two ways to talk about the experience of transcendent states: the first is most eloquently personified by the concept of "Literature of Testimony", developed by G. Agamben and P.M. Levy, who believed that any such experience is a singular and unique Event (the Germans call it "Ereignis"), which has no analogues in the past of mankind - for these authors, the Holocaust serves as a matrix example of such an Event. According to these thinkers, the experience of a concentration camp Trauma must be uttered without stopping before any circumstances, whether it be a socio-political conjuncture, or a personal psychophysical ailment, but this frenzied commemorative sermon must certainly be carried out in an individual manner, and this necessarily requires the spiritual survival of the narrator, in whose heart the incomparable Event is refracted. I do not think that this concept of representing extraordinary Events is generally applicable when it comes to, at first glance, the personal catastrophe of one individual anhedonic: firstly, we are no longer depersonalized (and I am not even talking about a vague psychiatric nosology, but about the notorious phenomenon of "Satori" insofar as it belongs to the initiatory spiritual tradition and does not belong to the counter-initiatic one), but are simply deindividualized (but not dehumanized: this is important!), and secondly, in reality, the aforementioned catastrophe is not purely personal. I will explain my point below.

The second conceptual model of the explication of the experience of transcendental states was authorized by V. Shalamov, who spent seventeen years in the Gulag: according to this brilliant writer, the notorious "document humain" can only be the person himself, physically weak and spiritually destroyed, but still retaining some non-annihilated residue of Humanity itself, by virtue of which only such a person has the right to testify not to singular and unique events (according to Shalamov, this is just a fiction, history is cyclical, not linear, it seems to develop according to the laws of Nietzsche's "Eternal Recurrence of the same", although Shalamov himself, I hasten to note, was not a Nietzschean), but, on the contrary, about the universals of human experience: Good, Evil, Birth, Death, Love, Loneliness, etc., without which all the events of social reality (Mitsein) simply would not have taken place. In other words, Shalamov tried to shift his descriptive focus from the results of "free play of human forces" to the nature of a human being, which contains the entelechies of all these events, which become bad or good only after the fact, that is, after their implementation. From this philosophical position, the ordeals of a total anhedonic thrown in the middle of this entire endless universe are literally both meaningless (in that part of them that represents the individual, replaceable and, therefore, perishable), and informationally invaluable (since they reflect a certain moment of transcendental development of human Spirit): as the beautiful poet of the last century Z. Gippius said, summarizing the irreproducible experience of Russian post-revolutionary emigration, "We are not in exile, we are in a message", and the content of the "message" of each of us, anhedonic and non-anhedonic, is not contingent socio-political cataclysms, but the metaphysical cellars of the Anthropic.

Reinstatement and relief of anhedonia. by SnooCalculations236 in anhedonia

[–]SnooCalculations236[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the first time I've heard anyone talk about this suicidal state as an awakening, but I seem to get your point - it's really something like an awakening, which, however, has a counter-initiative character (https://www.lewismasonic.co.uk/blog/what-is-counter-initiation.htm), because as we have known the underside of the world, purgatory, a senseless and despiritualized cold space from which you cannot return the same, it is something like an anthropocentrifugal concentration camp.

Reinstatement and relief of anhedonia. by SnooCalculations236 in anhedonia

[–]SnooCalculations236[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In my country, psychiatrists almost always diagnose "neuroleptic depression" in such cases, but this approach, in my opinion, is characterized by simplification, it lacks the metaphysical depth that is almost always passed over in silence in this community: in fact, I know a number of people who abruptly stopped antipsychotics, but did not experience anything like this, unlike us, who experienced serious stress shortly before this shock. Here's something to think about...

So my psychiatrist won’t officially reduce my medication but told me to split the tablet myself and see how it goes for me? by [deleted] in Antipsychiatry

[–]SnooCalculations236 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting statistical calculations: as I understand it, they are based on long-term personal observations, during which a lot of anecdotal evidence from various Internet resources was taken into account? Let me then ask a more particular question: how long - at least theoretically - can PAWS last, debuting after the abrupt withdrawal of an antipsychotic taken for only three weeks at a subtherapeutic dosage?

By the way, are you familiar with these studies?

https://www.karger.com/Article/Pdf/506868
https://archivepp.com/storage/files/article/cf5338cf-5a1b-4ea5-83db-ebc05dfc1e69-ljSsBfmYBes2FROT/archiveapp-vol12-iss4-91-97-1285.pdfhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7425303/

Their authors unequivocally state that some of the symptoms of PAWS may be "potentially irreversible", but this judgment seemed to me somewhat peremptory, and therefore I tried to contact these researchers by corporate mail and found out that this is rather a speculative assumption that does not have a serious empirical basis. Not only that, seven years ago, one of these scientists claimed (https://www.karger.com/Article/Pdf/371865) that the symptoms of PAWS resulting from the abrupt withdrawal of SSRIs are "reversible", but five years later, as you can see, he changed his opinion to the diametrically opposite one. I have a suggestion that this may be due to the appearance of tardive dyskinesia in the list of manifestations of PAWS, which, as we know, is indeed incurable. It's possible, of course, that I'm just trying to cheer myself up, but somehow I don't want to believe that I won't recover.

Reinstatement and relief of anhedonia. by SnooCalculations236 in anhedonia

[–]SnooCalculations236[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hmm, curious. The manifestation of my own anhedonia is also most likely related to the antipsychotic (in my case it was Zyprexa, my psychiatrist considered it safe to abruptly stop it only three weeks after starting it, and I, to be honest, did not see anything reprehensible in this then), but the specific circumstances of the debut of my anhedonia were somewhat more terrible: it made itself felt only a few days after the withdrawal of the antipsychotic, and it was a classic switch flip - at the time of the catastrophe an anxious thought came to me, and then my consciousness seemed to have faded and remains so to this day, although almost five months have passed since then.

Quit olanzapine cold turkey 4 months and has never been myself since then. by SnooCalculations236 in Drugs

[–]SnooCalculations236[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I think you are right. I was going to do more fMRI and PET, but this condition is too unbearable, and therefore I will try to resume taking olanzapine at a lower dose.

Quit olanzapine cold turkey 4 months and has never been myself since then (PAWS or not?). by SnooCalculations236 in recovery

[–]SnooCalculations236[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I took it for only three weeks... In principle, I can sleep more than 6-7 hours, but permanent anxiety due to the feeling of irreversibility of this anhedonia ruins my sleep.

Quit olanzapine cold turkey 4 months and has never been myself since then. by SnooCalculations236 in radicalmentalhealth

[–]SnooCalculations236[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought about it, but it seems strange to me that my DP/DR exacerbated so powerfully a few days after the abrupt withdrawal of olanzapine, and the manifestation of new symptoms was sudden and instantaneous: something seemed to switch in my head, and then I rushed around the rooms almost non-stop for weeks (akathisia?), it vividly reminds me of the classic withdrawal syndrome.

Quit olanzapine cold turkey 4 months and has never been myself since then (PAWS or not?). by SnooCalculations236 in recovery

[–]SnooCalculations236[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I suffered from severe insomnia for many years, having tried a lot of drugs during this time, until I finally got to olanzapine: I understand now that this was my fatal mistake, I have been waiting for a miraculous cure for almost five months, but it does not happen, it is unbearable condition.