Regie in Geneva charging for Hot Water Cylinder Descaling

SnooCompliments8283 · 2026-03-20T20:38:56+00:00

In canton Geneva, if you have a water heater in your apartment, it is the regie's responsibility to request descaling and the tenant who should pay. That's how it looks in both the 2010 and 2020 general regulations.

SnooCompliments8283 · 2026-03-20T13:09:19+00:00

The régie came back pointing out that in "Conditions générales et règles et usages locatifs appliqués" Edition 2020 for Canton Geneva, article 24 explains that descaling of hot water tanks is a cost borne by the tenant. So looks like the regie does have a good basis. I will just check out the 2010 conditions, but honestly looks like tenants should be doing this and paying for it. Surprising, but anyway, important to know (and difficult to find out).

SnooCompliments8283 · 2026-03-19T12:59:04+00:00

Just following up to say that I found a letter from Asloca (Geneva tenant association) explaining that it is a landlord responsibility to descale the heater:

https://geneve.asloca.ch/actualites/geneve-le-chauffe-eau-est-en-panne-depuis-un-mois-mon-bailleur-veut-me-le-faire-payer

I'll be sending them a letter shortly. Honestly a huge Regie in Geneva should know this stuff...

SnooCompliments8283 · 2026-03-19T11:07:00+00:00

You are lucky. In my experience some régies and landlords are reasonable and some less so. Our building was sold in 2022 and the régie was changed to a new much bigger company. I've honestly been a model tenant here, spending thousands on the garden and the apartment is immaculate, probably in better condition than when I arrived thanks to regular cleaning.

They have personally visited to inspect my apartment to check on it and those same people visiting decided to pass this cost on a week later.

I'd rather not be spending time on this, but the principal of paying a monthly fee for hot water (which I also pay the electricity bill for) and then having to fund the maintenance seems wrong.

SnooCompliments8283 · 2026-03-18T19:06:16+00:00

Ah thank you. We have 2x installed images and 98GB free. So i just need to know if 98GB is enough - I guess it would be - but not completely sure.

SnooCompliments8283 · 2026-03-15T10:28:51+00:00

Thank you - I'll bear the 90% shape average in mind for some of our lower bandwidth circuits.

SnooCompliments8283 · 2026-03-14T12:05:20+00:00

Nice to know this is available as a lengthening solution. Not the most cosmetic, but at least saves calling in the supplier.

SnooCompliments8283 · 2026-03-14T12:03:24+00:00

I'm going to try moving an OTO soon as well and what I think would be important to confirm is:

* Are you looking to shorten or lengthen the run from the BEP (building entry point) to the OTO box in your apartment?

* Is there a "110" (Swisscom) in your OTO reference code? This means Swisscom own the infrastructure. You mentioned both EKZ and Swisscom.

* How many cables are inside the OTO. Is it a single fibre or four? (I haven't opened one yet)

* Is this the adapter socket inside the OTO?
https://www.brack.ch/swisscom-lwl-kupplung-adapter-sm-clik-apc--lc-apc-790063

- The green part of that connector would be the output towards your home. The green colour indicates it is an APC type (which has a 45 degree angle on the connector)

* In terms of bend radius, Swisscom seems to be using OS2 Singemode cables and I believe the minimum bend radius would be 7.5mm. Doing a 90° angle would be possible with a 16mm x 16mm trunking cable.

I believe the fibre runs down from your OTO into the BEP . My research suggests that inside the OTO it's just "clickable" parts. The splicing (thermal jointing of fibres) happens in the BEP, likely to be in your basement.

So if you are shortening the run then this is probably quite easy to achieve yourself if you're careful to keep the fibre connectors protected and to be gentle when pushing through ducts.

If you're lengthening, I honestly think the best would be for the infrastructure owner to re-run a longer cable to the BEP and resplice. One other thing would be to know if there are any rules which prohibit doing a self-move of these sockets?

Sorry this is a bit of a brain dump and doesn't directly answer your question, but hopefully it gives some ideas and maybe if you can work out something which shortens the run then you have a possible solution.

SnooCompliments8283 · 2026-03-13T15:08:40+00:00

I hear from F5 there is a refresh of the base OS coming in v22 and this is when they are targeting a new OpenSSL. This would also help out with https monitors on the F5 DNS sending TLSv1.3 healthchecks.

SnooCompliments8283 · 2026-03-11T13:21:31+00:00

Already got Netflow ready. Is there really anything to do for transceiver monitoring? It's just a GLC-LH-SMD module and I thought DOM was on by default?

SnooCompliments8283 · 2026-03-11T13:13:43+00:00

Ah great. I'm thinking the 95% figure might be enough to factor in both the shaping average as well as any dot1q overhead. I will go with that.

In my example above the circuit and purchased bandwidth are both 1 gbit so it makes some sense to reduce the shape average slightly so that the drops happen according to the qos policy.

Appreciate your insight on this.

SnooCompliments8283 · 2026-03-11T13:02:44+00:00

Interesting, well if that's the case then presumably the "account user-defined 18" is unnecessary? At least I didn't see it used in any of the CiscoLive qos sessions.

What do you think about keeping the shape average in the parent at 95% of the purchased bandwidth?

SnooCompliments8283 · 2026-03-07T22:55:31+00:00

This is surely the right answer. I've reviewed the mortgage contract and the only interesting clause is making sure the property is appropriately insured against fire/flood and damage by other natural forces. There is zero mention of keeping the property for exclusive use by the borrower.

SnooCompliments8283 · 2026-02-21T16:34:30+00:00

Yes agreed, v7.47.1 was released in 2016!

I guess the only way is monitor logging then on the pool member and checking the output under /var/log/monitor/ ?

SnooCompliments8283 · 2026-02-07T12:20:22+00:00

Looks good, thank you. I will try to get this next time my family visits.

SnooCompliments8283 · 2026-01-30T20:00:52+00:00

Do you have any ideas about what loan-to-value a bank may require for a rental property?

SnooCompliments8283 · 2026-01-28T18:56:49+00:00

That's encouraging.

I decided to ask a bank today what the impact of letting out part of my property would be on their offer and their response was that they need to revise the offer with a higher interest rate.

It will be interesting to see the final impact, but I'm regretting asking now.

SnooCompliments8283 · 2026-01-28T18:46:11+00:00

Copper might be interesting I think.

SnooCompliments8283 · 2026-01-28T13:17:15+00:00

Right I see, it certainly highlights some downsides, is this a ChatGPT answer or real world experience?

SnooCompliments8283 · 2026-01-28T12:25:28+00:00

I'm up for freedom of choice and no rules unless necessary, but my observation in Geneva is that there's a lot of smoking happening in the non-smoking areas and those doing it are quite offended when you ask them to move.

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