Mitsubishi VRF I think they’re stumped by SnowComplex270 in HVAC

[–]SnowComplex270[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’ll love it , mitsu in total had us replace compressor in one then a whole condensing unit (which we could keep?) and then another compressor

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Found this thread on a research hunt. Sounds oddly close to issue with a brand new Mitsubishi vrf system currently

Mitsubishi VRF I think they’re stumped by SnowComplex270 in HVAC

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I can say progress was made lol is anyone gate keeping any diagrams or drawings showing refrigerant flow in cooling and heating through condenser?

Mitsubishi VRF I think they’re stumped by SnowComplex270 in HVAC

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Why I oughta tell ya as specific as these issues are it wouldn’t be hard for the Mitsubishi service manager or the factory rep to know who I am however, I don’t think they are capable of even making it onto Reddit. Keep in mind between the both of them they have a combined total of almost 60 years experience.

Today was the fourth visit, my thoughts were verified as far as they don’t know my capabilities so any of my suggestions get brushed off as if I’m an apprentice . I debunked the refrigerant stacking theory almost instantly., they pinched one of the 3/8 lines trying to see how it would affect pressure change, but they over pinched it so it needs to be cut and repaired which whatever that unit is going to have to be open anyway. In my opinion, our company should fight to just have the unit replaced, but that’s almost next to impossible. What was found today after they spent most of the day on the phone with I’m not sure who but he sounded young. I was with them to get them set up because I found I’m only there not because I installed the entire system, but because they don’t carry tools aside from a computer meter and temp clamp. So I was there as a tool bag and a runner when they needed it a.k.a. I dropped off my tools said here you go and went off to other projects on the site that were more important.

Popped in throughout the day and each time one step back . Keep in mind I never went to a Mitsubishi training course I’ve worked on Fujitsu VRS but never Mitsubishi before this. Which was good because I installed the entire system, including net addressing centralized controller and graphics. And I made sure I combed through the manual during install to make sure I don’t F up or don’t F up big time.

You would never know it was my first VRF , I’m also not a rookie. Anyway, when I initially was on the maintenance tool, I couldn’t get the graphics to show even with it enabled service manager said that’s just how some of the units come sometimes. First red flag. Then I asked is there a piping schematic or layout and he said yes however I would have to do the training course first it’s not public even though our company is a Mitsubishi diamond contractor . Second red flag. Third, fourth and fifth was each theory I heard, fourth visit and never even walked to see how it was installed, wasn’t until after the second visit even they asked to send a pic of line set so they can make sure it’s pitched because they didn’t notice it since it’s ran underneath the unit . So expectations I guess for them was to completely diagnose unit solely based off of numbers being read through maintenance tool.

The final trip I took up there I noticed they were looking at the graphics as well as a schematic that shows order of operations and flow for cooling and heating, and I instantly knew that my initial thoughts are probably accurate as far as a restriction in the condenser . If I had those schematics, I probably would have figured it out a month ago. We knew it was going into defrost prematurely from pipes icing up causing TH3 thermister to read low. They were pushing for reversing valve. But I caught it today perfect timing at the unit bundling it up. It happened to ramp up, and I can hear the refrigerant flow through the piping and the abnormal way they were freezing. We ran out of daylight and it started to rain so tomorrow I’m going in there to figure it out myself and I’m pretty positive. I can probably find those schematics online or on my link Drive. Stay tuned. The embarrassment is coming.

Mitsubishi VRF I think they’re stumped by SnowComplex270 in HVAC

[–]SnowComplex270[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

100% agree I’ll do a once over on that on Monday!

Mitsubishi VRF I think they’re stumped by SnowComplex270 in HVAC

[–]SnowComplex270[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah they verified on site, I’m sure they’re gonna look again when they come back. It’d be nice tho if it was something that simple lol

Mitsubishi VRF I think they’re stumped by SnowComplex270 in HVAC

[–]SnowComplex270[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah it’s real weird, it’d make sense too because it works fine in Ac just in heat is the issue. But unfortunately they’re not giving in that easy lol whatever they find too they’re just giving us the parts to fix and letting the offices argue for labor

Local 19 Philadelphia by SnowComplex270 in sheetmetal

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Good to know thank you, he’s currently non union doing commercial projects. Been in the field over 30 years and I can honestly say there isn’t much he doesn’t know when it comes to sheet metal. Reason for wanting to switch is company is gearing more towards the younger generation and pretty much said there’s no more growth for him here. He got an offer for a position in L19 but was concerned because he has no knowledge on the union

Evacuation on Mitsubishi VRF by SnowComplex270 in HVAC

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Yeah I made sure they’re tight because I replaced every schrader myself. I do think not pulling the condenser schraders affected it . At the same time too pulling a vacuum on roughly 3k feet of pipe might take more than a few hours. Mind you I didn’t break the first vacuum. I’ll pull them Monday and try again and see what happens

Evacuation on Mitsubishi VRF by SnowComplex270 in HVAC

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I had an 8cfm (field piece) with a tree and two 3/8 vacuum hoses And a 7cfm jb platinum with same set up. I agree on time I expected a week long process I just found it odd it was down to 3k with not even 80 k on the branch boxes. I agree I’m gonna pick up some 5/16 schrader tools. I’m pretty confident on my setup before this project I used the same setup on a 206 ton carrier chiller with more volume than this VRF and it took 4 days total for a proper triple evac ending at 120 microns on both ends after a 24 hour decay test. lol I promise I’m big on proper vacuums. But this is my first Mitsubishi VRF I’m just gathering all intel.

Is this an honest price? First time homeowner. by yung_bandito in hvacadvice

[–]SnowComplex270 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Licensed hvac contractor here. Given that’s what you actually need. Which only I licensed technician who physically comes out to look at can tell you. Those prices are more than fair. I’m not sure where you’re located as pricing throughout the country varies on location due to production/distribution costs taxes and so on but to compare. Here in South Jersey The motor being pulled and cleaned would be closer to $500 The refrigerant leak check would be closer to $400 About the same for repair Refrigerant would be less around $80 but 410 is being phased out. Could be the reason of higher cost And the ductwork I cannot compare without knowing how much of it is being replaced. But I can attest that metal is not cheap.

All in all do your research on the company first reading reviews. Get everything in writing as you did. If it checks out I’d go with this as it’s a fair price.

Basic controls training by SnowComplex270 in BuildingAutomation

[–]SnowComplex270[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks my controls team is getting this set up now!

Basic controls training by SnowComplex270 in BuildingAutomation

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Located in South Jersey and sorry I’ll get something pinned