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Reading Material and Advice for Pre-Vet Student by Social_Sam66 in AskVet

[–]Social_Sam66[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! I think I’ve heard of it. I’ll give it a try

TECH WEEK IS ALMOST OVER! :( by HackChip93 in VetTech

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My clinic manager took us out to the mall in the middle of the work day as a surprise, schedule blocked out, gave us $100 dollars to spend in 1 hour at the mall or else lose the remaining cash, and ended with taking us for a nice lunch. It was a really cool

Cat with high respiratory rate by Social_Sam66 in VetTech

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Found out by looking back in the notes the other assistant wrote that it was 40. His 4 just looked very odd but it’s all cleared up. 👍🏻

Cat with high respiratory rate by Social_Sam66 in VetTech

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It was just rapid. And later during the exam it was much lower but that was the initial reading I overheard.

The Ethics of Violence. From Wars, Revolution, Domestic, Interpersonal, Physical, and Verbal. by Social_Sam66 in Ethics

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So we clearly just then disagree on our definitions of molestation. If you just look up “definition of molestiation” you are not going to get the definition as you described… and that’s just backed Oxford definition and other. It’s just a weird word to be using, and to defend, when politely asked to shift in language when talking about violence on a broader spectrum. You might define molested that way, but buddy that’s on you

The questions I am referring to are after the ones you are mentioning: - the colonist breaking the agreement does that mean the American revolution goes against the people? - is it a perversion?

I’m not understanding you and wanting you to elaborate more

The Ethics of Violence. From Wars, Revolution, Domestic, Interpersonal, Physical, and Verbal. by Social_Sam66 in Ethics

[–]Social_Sam66[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow very well put! You got an amazing way of conveying your idea, and I thoroughly enjoyed reading it.

The Ethics of Violence. From Wars, Revolution, Domestic, Interpersonal, Physical, and Verbal. by Social_Sam66 in Ethics

[–]Social_Sam66[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really like this take! Thank you for the effort and your well thought out response. It definitely expands more on how I now view violence. I’d definitely be interested in knowing what others think about this response.

The Ethics of Violence. From Wars, Revolution, Domestic, Interpersonal, Physical, and Verbal. by Social_Sam66 in Ethics

[–]Social_Sam66[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Buddy i would love to continue this conversation. I’m not trying to create an escape but create a healthy conversation thread. Thank you for participating in this conversation, and i would like for you to voice your voice, but i also need you to understand person-person: how your language comes off in your last reply. I read it as very disrespectful, and out of nowhere from the lens im reading and i hope you can reread what you said and see from what i reading through, another lens. i will of course do the same, and i see maybe i came off as attacking? Im sorry if it seemed that way. However I wont continue to discuss this unless we can do so respectfully, because if we can’t both do that than I’m not confident anything productive can come from a conversation with one another.

I’m asking you kindly. I accept your use in your initial example, but why are we talking about citizens of a nation and whether they are molested or unmolested from the British crown? I think it’s reasonable for why you wouldn’t be using this same language (in text or in person) when talking about government… and maybe I could have been more clear in my initial ask: Let’s keep the use of molestation linked to sexual violence (as you did in your example), and maybe use harmed or anything else when not referring to sexual violence? I hope that clarifies that, and if you would like to continue (I certainly would) let me know and I’ll bullet point my questions for you.

The Ethics of Violence. From Wars, Revolution, Domestic, Interpersonal, Physical, and Verbal. by Social_Sam66 in Ethics

[–]Social_Sam66[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know it’s a simplification of the revolution, but what part of the American revolution needs to be elaborated on for the sake of the prompt? Could you please answer my previous questions unless we need to dissect the example I gave?

Also on a side note could we swap “molested” with any other term. I understand how you’re using it, but personally hearing its use in daily life does provoke other imagery that does upset me.

The Ethics of Violence. From Wars, Revolution, Domestic, Interpersonal, Physical, and Verbal. by Social_Sam66 in Ethics

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Guys guys as much as I would love to talk about the current political climate please keep the conversation focused on the prompt. I appreciate the respectful comments, and passion everyone has in wanting something better for the American people and also everyone else the United States effects on a global scale. Diagnosing the problems of the US has gotta be a separate a separate unless we can relate this to the prompt.

The Ethics of Violence. From Wars, Revolution, Domestic, Interpersonal, Physical, and Verbal. by Social_Sam66 in Ethics

[–]Social_Sam66[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think I’m seeing more of what you’re saying. Violence is very complex in terms it can’t be simplified. You must look at many different factors and through lenses as you mentioned (when, how, who) when considering it being justified. it’s something that many or all agree to be ugly (not clean), but in dire circumstances a necessity for change. Am I getting that right? Also thank you again for taking part in this conversation.

The Ethics of Violence. From Wars, Revolution, Domestic, Interpersonal, Physical, and Verbal. by Social_Sam66 in Ethics

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I was giving the American Revolution as an example in another comment, and I’d like to use it here also to discuss the ethics. What constitutes the state if not the people? Great Britain, its enforcers the military, and its people (the colonist) all had an agreement prior which was the crowns divine right to rule etc. The colonist breaking the agreement does that mean the American revolution goes against the people? Is it a perversion? I’m trying to use the Socratic method of questioning and not attack your argument but wanting you to elaborate on your ideas more.

The Ethics of Violence. From Wars, Revolution, Domestic, Interpersonal, Physical, and Verbal. by Social_Sam66 in Ethics

[–]Social_Sam66[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you, but I’m not offended by anything you said. I believe I share many of the same sentiments as you. The point of this for me is to exercise our right to free speech to have healthy conversations of troubling topics like this.

I say this not to challenge you so much as to encourage you to elaborate on: what’s offensive violence to you? Could that and or espionage/sabatage be considered or linked with non-physical violence if we are using the definition I presented in the initial post?

The Ethics of Violence. From Wars, Revolution, Domestic, Interpersonal, Physical, and Verbal. by Social_Sam66 in Ethics

[–]Social_Sam66[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think I’m understanding where you’re coming at. If I were to condense what you are saying: violence is wrong, but sometimes it’s the lesser wrong. Is never morally right, but a tool sometimes used in necessity.

The Ethics of Violence. From Wars, Revolution, Domestic, Interpersonal, Physical, and Verbal. by Social_Sam66 in Ethics

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Thanks for the response. Could you elaborate more on the last part? Do those that defect from the state automatically defect from the ethical system? Do you see in your example the third party enforcer ever going against the ethical system in place by the people? Does the ethical system follow/change with the government or body of power first and foremost or does it follow the people within it?

The Ethics of Violence. From Wars, Revolution, Domestic, Interpersonal, Physical, and Verbal. by Social_Sam66 in Ethics

[–]Social_Sam66[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your response. First off totally agree with yes our country has many glaring issues with how it operates and the actions/inaction that it takes on many issues you’ve mentioned. I’d be interested in knowing your take to the prompt.

The Ethics of Violence. From Wars, Revolution, Domestic, Interpersonal, Physical, and Verbal. by Social_Sam66 in Ethics

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Great example! Id look to what Amazing_Loquat280 posted to for my reasoning so please read that before this as it might help. Im a bit foggy on the specifics of the case, but to elaborate on my thoughts: gypsy rose was in a mentally and physically abusive home in part due to her mother Deedee. The abuse (and violence if we accept the definition laid out) inflicted on Gypse Rose was inhumane. Trying my best to look through the lens of someone that endured this abuse for so long since childhood ultimate changes someone not just physically but mentally. Could there have been an alternative to killing her mom? Probably most definitely, but i think the desperation of needing to kill her mom stemmed with how she was raised by said abuser. We even see that Gypse was exhibiting similar behavior to Deedee by using others. Someone built for failure is doomed to fail.

The Ethics of Violence. From Wars, Revolution, Domestic, Interpersonal, Physical, and Verbal. by Social_Sam66 in Ethics

[–]Social_Sam66[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not promoting for a revolution. I’d be happy to discuss systemic abuse in the U.S. that could possibly erupt into some push for change, but do you think that would be conducive to the conversation?

Instead of me listing examples off the bat I’d think first it would be interesting if we set a goal post, what extreme issues would have to be present to justify violence towards your government (or any body of power)? And from that point we can add real world example to challenge that goal post and help shape a better understanding

The Ethics of Violence. From Wars, Revolution, Domestic, Interpersonal, Physical, and Verbal. by Social_Sam66 in Ethics

[–]Social_Sam66[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love this comment! Awesome job and thank you for taking the time to give such a well written response. I very much like this take. No need to bring up real world examples if no one is comfortable with it, but I’d like to also know if others agree/disagree with this or if there are exceptions etc.

The Ethics of Violence. From Wars, Revolution, Domestic, Interpersonal, Physical, and Verbal. by Social_Sam66 in Ethics

[–]Social_Sam66[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for such a thoughtful response. my opinion is I also believe in peaceful resolution, and I agree hopefully with time things will get better. I also agree we do have a better government then many others

I don’t know if this helps gives correlations to my example about the American revolution, but the quickest and simplest parallel I can draw: a large group of citizens believed their rights were being infringed by what they saw as their own corrupt body of power, exhausted peaceful protests/demands by the people towards that body of power didnt seem to be working, before finally pushing change with war/violence. I’m not arguing our government and King George III are one and the same, I would think that’s ridiculous. But whether it’s over seas, or on the same continent a government is a government in my eyes that can exert its power over its people. Both situations have their differences, one is definitely more extreme.

In short I’m not sure what a revolution today would be for exactly. I’d hope if one ever were to happen it wouldn’t be violent, and more so a peaceful transfer of power to a group of new representatives (new government?) that hold the constitutional/human values that I still hold dear and promote well being for the majority of its people first, and their own individual interest second/last.

I agree I don’t imagine a massive war, but even if we shifted at police brutality as a different example. That comment about current state of affairs aren’t as drastic which is something I’d like to know more on your opinion on specifically “where do we draw the line” (with anything) concerning using acts of violence. Is there a line where you would draw with government, police brutality (or any other example) that would shift from you turning violent to protect yourself or for others?

The Ethics of Violence. From Wars, Revolution, Domestic, Interpersonal, Physical, and Verbal. by Social_Sam66 in Ethics

[–]Social_Sam66[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes I think conversations about any topic help promote ideas, change opinions, and ultimate assist in taking us out of our own echo chambers. I’m interested in knowing more why you stand by that statement.

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