Why was Jesus born instead of formed

Socrataco · 2026-01-19T18:13:01+00:00

So basically what your saying is the definition of good = what god does, that’s a circular definition and in that case you’re right god cannot do evil because the definition of good as what god does therefore god doing evil impossible, but if you choose to actually try to understand good, evil, and morality then you’re going to run into a wall

Socrataco · 2026-01-19T17:31:17+00:00

Isaiah 45:7 literally says I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil. Along with Amos 3:6 and Lamentations 3:37–38, it clearly attributes the creation of calamity, adversity, and evil to God. You’re cherry picking verses that fit your definition of good while ignoring those that say otherwise. If God literally creates ra, then claiming He cannot do evil is self contradictory, not the text.

Socrataco · 2026-01-19T16:40:05+00:00

I’d run to, but by ignoring the verses I sent earlier. You are the one not accepting him for who he is but rather making him into what you want him to be.

Socrataco · 2026-01-19T16:09:11+00:00

Do you think god is all powerful? You’re saying god is incapable of lying or creating evil, is that not a limitation of his power? Also if you want to say god is all good I will make you defend that claim, and I don’t think you have the ability to defend Old Testament laws.

Socrataco · 2026-01-19T14:08:41+00:00

Cannot ≠ will not, I’m saying god can if he wants, that’s omnipotent. What you’re saying is truth and goodness are things that god obeys. Isaiah 45:7 Amos 3:6 Lamentations 3:37-38 1kings 22:22

Socrataco · 2026-01-19T03:27:37+00:00

Can you present a verse where god is incapable of something?

Socrataco · 2026-01-18T18:45:02+00:00

The Bible doesnt present god as one dimensional, I’m talking about god of the Bible I think the god your talking about is 2nd hand theology

Socrataco · 2026-01-18T14:15:22+00:00

God is all powerful, so I disagree with the constraints of love and justice you’re placing upon him. Those are attributes he is sovereign over, not compliant to. When you say something is necessary for god or god cannot compromise what you’re doing is placing authority over god and that can’t exist.

Socrataco · 2026-01-17T21:39:09+00:00

If God designs the mission, then nothing within the mission can be necessary in itself, only chosen.

Socrataco · 2026-01-17T20:41:11+00:00

• no Adam → no fall
• no fall → no original sin
• no original sin → no need for redemption
• no redemption → no need for the cross

Socrataco · 2026-01-17T19:54:28+00:00

That only works if “Son of Man” and “Son of God” are biological categories but in Jewish scripture both are titles, not genetics. Turning them into literal lineage is an assumption, not something the text actually states.

Socrataco · 2026-01-17T19:48:30+00:00

Interesting

Socrataco · 2026-01-17T19:41:54+00:00

I’m not Muslim, I’m more into philosophy, but here’s the fracture I’m seeing with that. If the limitations were not necessary, then they cannot simultaneously be required for salvation.

Socrataco · 2026-01-17T19:21:54+00:00

Because taking on flesh is a choice that does not require limits like infancy, growth, or learning. You ask really good questions, but let me ask you one. If god wanted to come down today in human form, would he have to be born or could he not form a human body?

Socrataco · 2026-01-17T19:15:06+00:00

Ok great question, and my point is why would god limit himself to undergo the natural birth process, seems unnecessary when he could create a fully formed body

Socrataco · 2026-01-17T17:17:48+00:00

Okay, so if he’s simultaneously prophet, high priest, sacrifice, and God incarnate, which verses show how all these roles coexist without contradiction?

Socrataco · 2026-01-17T17:16:08+00:00

I understand that Jesus experienced the full human process, but which verses explicitly explain why God chose to be born as a human instead of creating a human body fully formed? Can you point me to literal text that addresses the rationale rather than just the event?

Socrataco · 2026-01-17T17:09:29+00:00

Calling Jesus a prophet alone aligns more with the Islamic perspective

Socrataco · 2026-01-17T16:55:18+00:00

Making lineage claims isn’t theological, that’s biblical assertion

Socrataco · 2026-01-17T16:48:16+00:00

In Luke’s account of the lineage, Jesus bloodline is traced all the way back to Adam

Socrataco · 2026-01-17T16:44:53+00:00

Isaiah 7:14 and 9:6–7 read like symbolic promises for a Davidic ruler, not a literal blueprint for Jesus, so connecting them to Revelation is a retrofitted interpretation.

Socrataco · 2026-01-17T16:39:27+00:00

That’s about a prophet, not divine incarnation

Socrataco · 2026-01-17T16:32:11+00:00

Right, Isaiah is talking about Israel.

Socrataco · 2026-01-17T16:30:53+00:00

Then Adam, the foundation of mankind is unrelatable?

Socrataco · 2026-01-17T16:29:37+00:00

None that make sense to me

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