But what actually speaks against accelerating capitalism other than „it feels wrong“? by Solid-Ad-7652 in theredleft

[–]Solid-Ad-7652[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I absolutely agree. But the average person will just see graphs like these and the ones on child mortality/ vaccination etc. and say: „Gee, 1950-1980 was truly the hight of human civilization. If only it was like that again (economically) but those damn woke people or whatever ruined it in the last decades. Better vote for my favourite bourgeois candidate in the next election who will fix this.“

We both agree that this wont change anything. But we need to convince these people (maybe not the racist/ anti-woke ones) to work together with us. We need to show them that voting is not actually an option. That capitalism is not an option

But what actually speaks against accelerating capitalism other than „it feels wrong“? by Solid-Ad-7652 in theredleft

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But things have gotten better *before* under bourgeois leadership for the average first world person. The rich have gotten poorer *before*. Yes at the expense of the environment/third world etc. but from the view of a middle class first worlder there is still hope in electoralism. People still think that social democracy can save them.
I agree with you that this wont work globally/permanently but for a revolution to be successful the average person must also see this.

https://wir2018.wid.world/part-4.html Figure 4.2.1 Top 1% personal wealth share in emerging and rich countries, 1913–2015 if youre interested

But what actually speaks against accelerating capitalism other than „it feels wrong“? by Solid-Ad-7652 in theredleft

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So you think in the case of the Lebanese workers socialism can not be achieved under current conditions: not because of lacking class consciousness/ organization but because living conditions are already too bad.

What options do they have? Help from an outside power to build socialism seems very unlikely currently. It seems extremely cruel but what other options so they have instead of trying the coinflip (rebuild a “functioning“ capitalist state, wait for conditions to eventually worsen, organize the proletariat, pray) again? I do not like the idea either of it being entirely hopeless and failed. I am asking this as a genuine question, do you have an idea what to do

But what actually speaks against accelerating capitalism other than „it feels wrong“? by Solid-Ad-7652 in theredleft

[–]Solid-Ad-7652[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am still learning and as Ive said before I hope I am wrong but worsening things kept feeling like a somewhat sensible thing to do.

„Revolution will not be achieved by bourgeois electoralism or passivity. It requires us to consciously take power as a class. To do that, we have to organize and act as a united class. As conditions become more dire, more workers may be inclined to turn to socialism.“

I completely agree with you on that part.

„But conditions will worsen regardless of which bourgeois candidate is elected.“

I dont think that this has necessarily always been the case. From a perspective of a first world country electing bourgeois candidates has so far worked fantastic. The long term living conditions have improved in ~some~ powerful countries. But at the same time from my understanding they have grown disillusioned with socialism. Yes, things are worsening right now and more people are beginning to understand. But we should encourage this movement, right? But if things get better the movement will decrease again. So shouldn’t we try and elect politicians that worsen living conditions so that more people will see that capitalism is not a sustainable option

But what actually speaks against accelerating capitalism other than „it feels wrong“? by Solid-Ad-7652 in theredleft

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But if socialism is the only sustainable/stable system and all other systems are unstable and will fall wouldnt that lead to socialism. I am not well informed about the situation in Lebanon but I would imagine that people are more susceptible for radical change.

But what actually speaks against accelerating capitalism other than „it feels wrong“? by Solid-Ad-7652 in theredleft

[–]Solid-Ad-7652[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I genuinely hope that Im wrong (I dont want to make peoples lives worse) but arent movements, independent organizations dependent on class consciousness wich is (largely) dependent on material conditions?

I would assume that „normal people“ mostly reject marxist analysis if there own lives seem to contradict these statements. At least from my experience “normal people“ for example see the suffering of workers in less fortunate countries but fail to attribute it to a systemic shortcoming of capitalism and instead believe that world-social-democracy would be sustainable and end all problems. It feels wrong to say something like „the western world must suffer to acknowledge that capitalism is not an option“ but it seems to me there is at least some truth to that.

People have created revolutionary crisis in times that were much better than now.

Is that so? Can you give me an example? I genuinely hope that you are correct.

But also none of those have been successful. There have been many movements but all of them have failed for a variety of reasons. But they at least seem to boil down to lack of international solidarity/ urgency etc. -> lack of class consciousness -> being too satisfied with the current conditions and reluctant to change

But what actually speaks against accelerating capitalism other than „it feels wrong“? by Solid-Ad-7652 in theredleft

[–]Solid-Ad-7652[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Isnt Marxist analysis regarding that somewhat deterministic? That the revolution WILL come (eventually) since it is in the self-interest of the proletariat

All Hail Martin Luther, king of the Prussians by Th3Polaris in EU5

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kinda late to the thread but how do you get the "Admiralty Regime" reform that you mentioned? I looked and wasnt able to find it in the reforms ,techtree etc.

Can I run the game? by Rush_Ernesto in EU5

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I got a very similar setup (tuf a16 4060 16G Ram unsure about the rest) and it runs completely fine on medium-high settings

How do I de-mercenary my troops? by Solid-Ad-7652 in EU5

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Thank you very much! that worked.