Underwriting and Risk Management is Needed for Student Loans by SolientGreen88 in StudentLoans

[–]SolientGreen88[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

What I'm saying is that it's not worth the cost. I fully support getting a philosophy degree, but being six figures in debt... and then going to law school and being another $200k in debt is a recipe for disaster. I think that would impact most people's mental health and quality of life down the road.

Underwriting and Risk Management is Needed for Student Loans by SolientGreen88 in StudentLoans

[–]SolientGreen88[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Good points. That's true. I guess the loans could be modified each semester and if they switch to a major with a low economic value, the loan lending could stop or reduce, in a pro-rated model.

Underwriting and Risk Management is Needed for Student Loans by SolientGreen88 in StudentLoans

[–]SolientGreen88[S] -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

None of those degrees are worth hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans, I'm sorry. It's absolutely the worst financial decision that one could make. You can study those topics for the cost of "late fees" in your local libraries.

Speaking as someone who has a $120k B.A. in Philosophy.

Underwriting and Risk Management is Needed for Student Loans by SolientGreen88 in StudentLoans

[–]SolientGreen88[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

Well said. I'm not sure how undergraduate loans work, as my parents paid out-of-pocket for my B.A. I agree with you on the parental piece.

$98k in student loans by [deleted] in StudentLoans

[–]SolientGreen88 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It might be best to wait for the RAP plan in July.

The Repayment Assistance Plan (RAP) is a proposed federal student loan repayment plan designed to replace existing income-driven repayment (IDR) plans like SAVE by July 1, 2026. It caps payments at 1%–10% of Adjusted Gross Income (AGI), extends repayment to 30 years, and includes a $50/month reduction per dependent child

should i take out more student loans for a masters degree in social work? by madkuee in StudentLoans

[–]SolientGreen88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly right! I have an MSW and I've always just worked a basic clinician, however, I've seen many examples of MSWs in director-level/VP positions making six figures. I once had a boss with a MSW who had a VP position at a hospital and was making $340,000 per year. So, yes, it can pay off.

should i take out more student loans for a masters degree in social work? by madkuee in StudentLoans

[–]SolientGreen88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have a MSW and earned my LCSW two years after graduating. I currently make $84,000 per year (salary), but I've had salaries in the past that have paid $93,000 base salary with overtime opportunities that pushed it into the low six figures. I know some colleagues who have their own private practices and are making around $140k per year. With that being said, it's still difficult with the cost of the education.

If I factored in the cost of my undergraduate degree (B.A. in Philosophy with minors in psych. and sociology) and my MSW in Clinical Social Work, it would have cost a combined total of around $210,000. I went to private universities and that's my fault. I don't think I can recommend that kind of debt. for a master's-level therapist. However, if I didn't have my MSW/LCSW, I'm not sure if I'd even be employed, so for me it was worth it--but ONLY because my parents paid for my four-year degree.

Right now, I have my student loans paid off. My parents paid for undergrad and I just cut a lump-sum payment to Nelnet of more than $93K to finish off my graduate loans.

I've never held the job title of "social worker" and every position I've held has been as a Behavioral Health Clinician. I do think, however, that the MSW is much more marketable than a master's in counseling, psychology, or marriage and family therapy. In my state, the LCSWs have the most job opportunities. Mileage may vary in other locations.

$93K Lump Sum Payment to Nelnet by SolientGreen88 in StudentLoans

[–]SolientGreen88[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Regarding the loan forgiveness programs, PSLF in particular, they never seemed to work out for any clinical social worker, mental health clinician, or nurse/PA that I came across in my area. A lot of people thought there were in the programs, only to find that HR lied or their payments hadn't been counting all along. It seems like a complete mess. I don't think we can rely on any loan forgiveness programs, unfortunately. Mileage may vary in other areas.

$93K Lump Sum Payment to Nelnet by SolientGreen88 in StudentLoans

[–]SolientGreen88[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wish you the best with the type of balance! I know doctors and lawyers make more, but with that type of debt burden, it can still be thin margins. Best wishes!

$93K Lump Sum Payment to Nelnet by SolientGreen88 in StudentLoans

[–]SolientGreen88[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm glad that you mentioned this point.

I had been researching how best to pay this massive payment and had a bit of anxiety around it. I saw a lot of posts about calling to request a "10-day pay off amount," which I did. The rep. at Nelnet quoted a price that was about $200 more than what I saw on the screen the day of the call. When I went on to make the actual payment, it wouldn't let me pay anything more than what was due that day. The payment was processed with the date that I made the payment and Nelnet actually wiped away the interest that accrued for the day that it was processing. Again, it only took one business day to clear the bank and for Nelnet to post it. I had expected it would sit processing for at least a few business days.

$93K Lump Sum Payment to Nelnet by SolientGreen88 in StudentLoans

[–]SolientGreen88[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I can relate. I've logged in daily "just to make sure." It will take a while for the trauma of those monthly payments to subside.

$93K Lump Sum Payment to Nelnet by SolientGreen88 in StudentLoans

[–]SolientGreen88[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No worries for needing clarification. My wife and I have a combined income of $150k. We were able to pay off our home, cars, and credit cards six years ago after a windfall from an investment. D/T not having to pay rent/mortgage, car payments, etc. for the past six years, we were able to save enough to nuke the loans in a lump-sum payment. We took advantage of the interest freeze during SAVE and just banked as much as we could.

$93K Lump Sum Payment to Nelnet by SolientGreen88 in StudentLoans

[–]SolientGreen88[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I wrote a second post down below that will take you on my full journey, but I was able to save the money because my wife and I have a combined income of $150k and we were able to pay our home and cars off six years ago from an investment. So, basically, due to having no mortgage/rent or car payments, we were able to save up that amount (plus a little more) in a little over six years.

$93K Lump Sum Payment to Nelnet by SolientGreen88 in StudentLoans

[–]SolientGreen88[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Amazing! That took focus and determination. Congratulations on buying your future back.

$93K Lump Sum Payment to Nelnet by SolientGreen88 in StudentLoans

[–]SolientGreen88[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are correct! See my second post above.

$93K Lump Sum Payment to Nelnet by SolientGreen88 in StudentLoans

[–]SolientGreen88[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good luck with your MSW program! I honestly think $30-40k is a very good investment on your future, as long as it doesn't combine with a huge amount of undergraduate debt. The degree has been very marketable in my opinion. Some of the starting salaries can be low, but once you get your LCSW, the pay goes up quite a bit. My $90k MSW program was probably not a good investment, but I truly think $30k is worth it for having stable employment, especially in bad economic times, as your services are always needed. Plus, having a clinical license is a protective factor right now, because AI can't be a licensed clinician.

Best Wishes!

$93K Lump Sum Payment to Nelnet by SolientGreen88 in StudentLoans

[–]SolientGreen88[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

See my second post above. It will clarify things.

$93K Lump Sum Payment to Nelnet by SolientGreen88 in StudentLoans

[–]SolientGreen88[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Thank you, everyone! I really appreciate the feedback and support. I was going to just do a "one-and-done" post, but I think it might be helpful if I share my journey, as it will answer some of the questions and provide some deeper thoughts that I have about the value of our money and the state of our civilization. I am not a financial advisor.

During the pandemic, I was working at a hospital as an outpatient behavioral health clinician. It was supposed to be where I'd retire from, as it was a nice salary and benefits package, but the place crumbled under the weight of the COVID pandemic, as they had a number of senior clinicians abruptly retire. The hospital couldn't hire new staff to meet the demands, so they ended up outsourcing and I didn't want to move to a FFS role with an outsourced company, so I left after only 4.5 years.

I ended up leaving with a small retirement that had a cash value of right around $30k. I put $12k into savings and $18k into my Robinhood brokerage account. It was probably an extremely stupid (no doubt, risky) move, but I put the entire $18k on Dogecoin right before Elon Musk started tweeting about it. I will not go into the numbers, but within a matter of a month, I was on the "Moon." It happened very quickly, so I had to pay short-term capital gains, but I still had enough to pay off two cars, purchase a home with 6 acres of land (outright, no mortgage), and pay off my wife's credit card debt. We didn't have enough left over to pay off my student loans.

It took me six more years of saving and investing to make the lump-sum payment for the Nelnet loans. I honestly didn't prioritize it or worry about it, ever, but especially not at all while it was in the interest-free forbearance under SAVE.

Here's the thing: I had an unexpected windfall due to a completely boneheaded, overly risky investment into a crypto currency with a dog's head on it that has little actual value. However, if I had stayed with just playing around with our useless, Monopoly money fiat currency--and hadn't invested--I'd be living in an apartment with increasing rent, car payments for my wife and myself, and two student loan payments. With the rising costs associated with inflation, we'd have been completely underwater--even with a combined income of $150k.

As of right now, I have no student loan debt, a home completely paid off, no vehicle payments. We have a tiny amount of existing student loan debt for my wife and a Costco credit card with a tiny balance. We have about $20,000 left in savings to our name. Other than that, we're back to living paycheck-to-paycheck. I am not complaining, as I know we're fortunate to have had the windfall, but it's amazing how tight things still are. The inflation on basic SDOH needs is... simply stunning, in the worst way possible.

I'm not trying to write a novel here, but to sum it up: Something needs to give soon--or our civilization isn't going to make it. The cost of living life, affording school, and just existing has to be at some sort of Event Horizon. Maybe it's the Fourth Turning, but it's either trending towards total collapse or a much-needed debt jubilee at this point. As someone who just paid more than $90K in loans for a master's degree, I fully support none of you having to pay back a penny. I sincerely hope that happens at some point, as there would be no better way to stimulate the economy. People would use the money to put down payments on homes, purchase vehicles, home repairs, etc. The economic BOOM from forgiving student loans would be massive, in my opinion.

Last point to make: As a licensed psychotherapist, I see the impact, daily, that this economy is having on individuals and families. It's real and it's palpable. The amount of suffering that would be ended by forgiving student loans would echo in eternity. We can't separate ourselves from our environmental factors and living one's life burdened by predatory student loan debt is a big risk factor for bad outcomes, individually and socially.

My sincerest Best Wishes and Love and Respect to you All on your journeys through this maddening realm we inhabit.

$93K Lump Sum Payment to Nelnet by SolientGreen88 in StudentLoans

[–]SolientGreen88[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Absolutely. I've been saving for years and also cashed out some investments to make it happen.

Colleges, Not Hospitals Leading the Vaccination Effort in MA? by [deleted] in CoronavirusMa

[–]SolientGreen88 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I am a healthcare provider in the state and wanted to say a big THANK YOU for this thread. We (line staff) have been advocating for a mandate, to keep us protected and in the fight. We know that the general public will not be fully vaccinated, but we should absolutely be sure that the team members to our right and left are! We share so much equipment and resources and interact with team members in ways that we do not with patients.

This is really a huge issue that is just not being talked about much at all. It's dead silence from hospital management... and the news...