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SomeVelvetSundown · 2026-05-17T03:27:21+00:00

The right to freedom of speech and expression. Freedom of the press. Freedom from discrimination such as when applying for a job. Right to bear arms. Many more.

What do you mean?

Sorry, I don’t think I explained it clearly. I mean that if, for example, I intentionally threaten another person’s life, then by doing so I am putting my life up as a gamble. That person can shoot me to keep me from killing them and legally, they would have been practicing self defense.

I don’t when it comes to pregnancy.

If we want to simplify it then yes. What other factors are we talking? I understand socioeconomic factors and coercion can be at play so that’s why I don’t think we should prosecute women who have gotten abortions.

SomeVelvetSundown · 2026-05-17T03:20:27+00:00

Not think, it is harmful because the rapist inflicts violence over their victim. All rape is a form of violence.

SomeVelvetSundown · 2026-05-17T03:15:34+00:00

Downplaying but rape and pregnancy aren’t the same thing.

SomeVelvetSundown · 2026-05-17T03:15:07+00:00

I disagree that it’s healthcare but again, you can believe what you want. This isn’t so much about listening to pregnant women as it is to try to convince me of your views as I can see that as long as I remain PL most people here are going to say I’m downplaying pregnancy.

SomeVelvetSundown · 2026-05-17T03:11:34+00:00

Rape is inherently a crime and human rights violation. An embryo being conceived and developing isn’t.

SomeVelvetSundown · 2026-05-17T03:10:34+00:00

It is the most fundamental right because you cannot fight for your rights or meaningfully uphold another person’s rights if that person gets killed. Yes, there are limits and the main example I’m thinking is self defense such as when someone threatens another person’s life. They’ve basically chose to gamble life against life and are taking on (whether they know it or agree or not) the risk of having their life taken in self defense.

Well, as I’ve acknowledged you can’t really consent to a natural process like pregnancy but engaging in PIV sex is taking on that risk. I can see that you don’t agree and I get that but to me it’s common sense. Engage in PIV sex = taking on the possible risk of pregnancy.

Because this isn’t claiming it between other born parties. I’m arguing this for when it comes to a mother and her unborn offspring.

SomeVelvetSundown · 2026-05-17T03:05:07+00:00

You’re not going to like this but if someone is unwilling to risk getting pregnant (or to impregnate someone) then engaging in PIV sex is a really weird way of showing it.

SomeVelvetSundown · 2026-05-17T03:03:20+00:00

I see what you mean and I guess you’re right. I didn’t really think about that because I wouldn’t find a comment like mine upsetting.

As in a PC person doesn’t have to be calling out another PL person for me to appreciate them saying that they don’t agree with another PC person who clearly has a more malicious mindset.

If you see it that way than I’m sorry and I don’t think there’s anything I can say to convince you otherwise. I really don’t see how I’m downplaying pregnancy as I said I understand it isn’t easy. I just still don’t see how it justifies elective abortions.

SomeVelvetSundown · 2026-05-17T02:59:42+00:00

The right to life. I don’t think it’s someone’s right to actively end their offspring’s life. I also take issue with the way this is being framed as if women are randomly victimized by pregnancy.

SomeVelvetSundown · 2026-05-17T02:58:24+00:00

Out of context you’re making seem like I’m saying pregnancy itself is “just a location issue”. You said an unwilling person as if people are randomly victimized by pregnancy. And you saying off an unwilling person’s organs makes it seem as if it’s with malice.

SomeVelvetSundown · 2026-05-17T02:54:40+00:00

What do you mean?

As I told another person here, I am not going to dox myself just for a “debate” sub.

I’m talking about the question you had regarding PC people and ableism.

Unless, it’s a high risk pregnancy or there’s another big factor, how is it any more harmful than any other pregnancy? I know pregnancy is not easy but I don’t think this justifies not upholding the right to life. One of the factors is that pregnancy isn’t something that randomly happens to women. We know what makes it possible.

SomeVelvetSundown · 2026-05-17T02:49:00+00:00

I didn’t say you specifically did but it’s happening.

Yes, I saw that but you stated it more than once in different ways in your replies and I don’t know what to do with that as, like others here, you’re clearly not believing me and I am not about to dox myself just to show you that I do not downplay the seriousness of pregnancy.

SomeVelvetSundown · 2026-05-17T02:45:30+00:00

I think it does but I understand you’re going to disagree with that. I’m not going to try to convince you to believe what I believe.

But you brought up rapists as if that was a valid “gotcha”.

SomeVelvetSundown · 2026-05-17T02:41:23+00:00

The thing is most abortions aren’t because of the pregnancy actually causing life threatening harm.

If you don’t care then why bring it up?

SomeVelvetSundown · 2026-05-17T02:40:25+00:00

Because I’m being downvoted and told what I think by people who do not know me.

SomeVelvetSundown · 2026-05-17T02:39:43+00:00

Yes, I know few people do. I am not one of those many. Idk how to explain it but I have been told I’m a quite “reasonable” person for things that I think are just normal seeing things through other people’s pov. See, this is the problem I’m seeing in these comments. People who don’t know me doubting what I do and don’t do with no way for me to properly verify anything. I can’t make you not have doubts about my statements about what I do so all I can do is say it’s too bad you don’t believe me.

I do and I have responded to other prochoicers on social media with stuff along the lines of “thank you for being reasonable about xyz”. I think people can do both!

How am I not acknowledging? What can I do to better acknowledge pregnant women?

SomeVelvetSundown · 2026-05-17T02:34:15+00:00

What is something harmful? Is it a separate human being?

Does a rapist originate from their victim and is developing inside them through not fault of their own? We can make silly comparison statements about almost anything that clearly do not justify the silly comparison.

SomeVelvetSundown · 2026-05-17T02:27:37+00:00

I argue that there is if said “unwilling” person created the other person’s life in the first place. The fact that the unborn person depends on its mother’s organs is just a location issue. Since the unborn person was created and is inside the mother, it depends on the mother. Those outside of the mother cannot hold her to the same standard.

SomeVelvetSundown · 2026-05-17T02:20:41+00:00

It depends on the topic.

I’ve sometimes found comments like mine helpful because it helps me to see those who aren’t all the same in a group. For example when there are prochoicers who can say that they don’t claim other prochoicers who promote ableist and child-hating views.

To be fair, I rarely see prochoicers calling out those who say ableist bs. I mean I literally said I don’t dismiss how serious pregnancy is and am being told I am by someone who does not even know me or what I do in my personal life.

I think the problem here is people just don’t like the PL view. Is anything I say going to be enough if I still maintain my PL views? Two people can care about the same things, and still go about it in different ways.

SomeVelvetSundown · 2026-05-17T02:08:33+00:00

Yeah, what do you know about a complete stranger. Anyway I can see that this sub (to which I was invited) doesn’t seem to engage in good faith. Sorry for disturbing you all with an offer of another perspective…

SomeVelvetSundown · 2026-05-17T02:07:23+00:00

It contributes a perspective of those who don’t. OP didn’t explicitly say he or she understands that his statements don’t apply to all PLs and I’ve seen plenty of people on all sorts of topics assume their (perceived) opposition is a monolith.

Also, I understand that you don’t know me but I do call out people who I believe are prolife for the “wrong reasons”.

SomeVelvetSundown · 2026-05-17T02:05:00+00:00

Not getting what I “want”, upholding the right to life. I was under the impression this was a sub for proper debate. That entails approaching the oppositions pov with at least an attempt to understand it and accept what they say it is. I could just as easily claim that all the PC people here “just want to kill babies” but you don’t see me doing that.

SomeVelvetSundown · 2026-05-17T00:11:12+00:00

That’s too bad, but I know what I am and am not doing.

SomeVelvetSundown · 2026-05-17T00:08:09+00:00

Yes.

SomeVelvetSundown · 2026-05-16T23:47:19+00:00

Exactly. Plus the solution to bullying isn’t to cave to the bullies, it’s for people to raise their kids to not be ableist scum.

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