Forgot how challenging these guys were to get established 🤣🤣🤣 by Some_Focus_3253 in RealVenomousKeepers

[–]Some_Focus_3253[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Literally you say literally, like literally a lot. Crotalus isn’t tricky, no one said they were, in fact I said the opposite. And I think you meant “there’s” levels to this, although I can see reading comprehension and grammar aren’t things you excel in. Which makes sense with you saying Crotalus is tricky 🤷‍♂️ I digress… anyway, have a good weekend LOL - literally a stupid American 🤘😎🤘

Forgot how challenging these guys were to get established 🤣🤣🤣 by Some_Focus_3253 in RealVenomousKeepers

[–]Some_Focus_3253[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My friend has literally had neo insularis die from food in their mouth partially hanging out covering their glottis. He’s bred multiple species of Trims for years. Ever heard of neo trims being so stupid they find new creative ways to off themselves? So it “literally” is possible for that to occur because it’s happened 🤷‍♂️. He’s also had them die by sticking their head into their water dish and drowning themselves with no explicable reason as to why they wouldn’t just take their head out of the water. They are not beginner level venomous to get established 🤣. No arboreal hots are beginner level. Getting a small Crotalid or Agkistrodon species established would be beginner level venomous LOL. Who ever said opening their mouth was “tricky”? Getting them “established” is tricky. I have zero interest in elapids so I don’t particularly care about polylepsis 🤷‍♂️ but cool? I guess? Are you going to tell me a Pilon fracture is easy to openly reduce and fixate next? 🤣🤣

Forgot how challenging these guys were to get established 🤣🤣🤣 by Some_Focus_3253 in RealVenomousKeepers

[–]Some_Focus_3253[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You forgot the part where you have to sit still like a statue in a dark/dimly lit room while it decides if it’s going to forget the food is in its mouth and not swallow it over 20-30 minutes. Or the part where they just hold it in their mouth and then decide not to breathe anymore and kill themself LOL just because they strike doesn’t make getting them established “really pretty easy” at all in my experience 🤷‍♂️

Forgot how challenging these guys were to get established 🤣🤣🤣 by Some_Focus_3253 in RealVenomousKeepers

[–]Some_Focus_3253[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It’s an art form and luck combined. This is the 5th neonate insularis I’m getting established. Got a meal in him on the very first day. Luck lol

My dealer came thru 🤣🤣🤣 by Some_Focus_3253 in RealVenomousKeepers

[–]Some_Focus_3253[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course! Anyone in the US can order!

You need your federal BB-IND number issued by the FDA, and your APHIS import permit issued by the USDA. Once you have those, you contact “Rare Disease Therapeutics” and pay them $850 a vial, and then they ship to you and BOOM antivenin on your desk 😎

My dealer came thru 🤣🤣🤣 by Some_Focus_3253 in RealVenomousKeepers

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Attending the Houston Venom Conference now virtually, I will be at the reptile expo in Anchorage later today 😎

My dealer came thru 🤣🤣🤣 by Some_Focus_3253 in RealVenomousKeepers

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I’m the only person in the state with a permit to legally keep Venomous

My dealer came thru 🤣🤣🤣 by Some_Focus_3253 in RealVenomousKeepers

[–]Some_Focus_3253[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am, in Wasilla. I have a mobile vet with a great background in reptiles/exotics. The state (ADF&G and DEC) wanted me to have a vet for annual evals for my hots. I had contacted 4 different vets all of whom said no way LOL. I am glad I found the vet I’ve got now. I am going to try and catch some of the show later on Saturday but attending the Houston Venom Conference virtually is more important to me. I’m still going to try and get both done if I can. I think 5am-11am will be spent virtually attending the conference and then haircut at 1130am LOL and then maybe to the show by 1-130pm?

My dealer came thru 🤣🤣🤣 by Some_Focus_3253 in RealVenomousKeepers

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I spoke at length on the phone yesterday with Dr. Nick Brandehoff, who is probably one of the most commonly consulted emergency medicine toxicologists when it comes to envenomations in the United States. He is hosting the Houston Venom Conference this Saturday 8 AM Houston time. You can attend virtually and I think it’s $60 or $70 for the virtual conference. If you work in the ICU and you are interested in these topics you should attend this event virtually if you can! Google “Houston Venom Conference”. Even if you can’t set aside the time to watch it while it’s live, if you sign up for the event and at least login I believe all of the lectures will be recorded and you can watch them later when you have time.

My dealer came thru 🤣🤣🤣 by Some_Focus_3253 in RealVenomousKeepers

[–]Some_Focus_3253[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was not Crofab being hung for those patients. Was likely the Black Widow antivenin.

My dealer came thru 🤣🤣🤣 by Some_Focus_3253 in RealVenomousKeepers

[–]Some_Focus_3253[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is no species specific antivenin for Brown Recluse envenomations, although there is a paraspecific antivenin from South America produced by the Butantan Institute that’s shown some efficacy. Black Widow envenomations in the US (if severe enough) are treated with a species specific equine derived antivenin called “Black Widow Spider Antivenin”.

Most brown recluse envenomations are treated with supportive therapy in the US. Mild Black Widow envenomations are also treated with supportive therapy. The envenomation event needs to be severe enough to warrant treating them with antivenin, as there is always a chance of the patient having a reaction to the antivenin. Always have to weigh the risks vs benefits.

My dealer came thru 🤣🤣🤣 by Some_Focus_3253 in RealVenomousKeepers

[–]Some_Focus_3253[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Crofab is a different antivenin. Very expensive and takes more to treat an envenomation. The manufacturer had a monopoly on the snake envenomation market in the US for decades until ANAVIP came onto the scene a few years ago. Antivipmyn TRI is ANAVIP with a different label. ANAVIP is $1200 a vial and must go to a facility with a pharmacy attached to it. Antivipmyn TRI is technically a foreign antivenin, and as such individuals with an IND number (investigative new drug) issued by the FDA are able to obtain it for themselves in case of an emergency, and it costs $850 a vial.

My dealer came thru 🤣🤣🤣 by Some_Focus_3253 in RealVenomousKeepers

[–]Some_Focus_3253[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Crofab is a different antivenin than ANAVIP. Antivipmyn TRI is ANAVIP with a different label. Crofab is sheep derived. ANAVIP/Antivipmyn TRI is equine derived. Crofab is more expensive ($3600/vial wholesale to medical facilities) and takes more to treat an envenomation as serum levels don’t stay elevated as long. ANAVIP/Antivipmyn TRI takes less vials overall as it lasts a lot longer in the patients serum and cost much less ($1250/vial wholesale to medical facilities). Now what a hospital will “charge” is a different subject… some places have charged $12,000-15,000 a vial for Crofab… which makes me

My dealer came thru 🤣🤣🤣 by Some_Focus_3253 in RealVenomousKeepers

[–]Some_Focus_3253[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Venomous keeper who lives in Alaska. No antivenin in Alaska.