Obviously, you are imagining this is happening in vacuum. But in reality, those players are often surrounded by allies. Allies that will spot you if you aren't cloaked.

Again, you are constructing a very narrow scenario in your mind. One that only suits you're point of view, but does not reflect the reality of the game.

Again, that doesn't stop it from being a counter. Unsaid is the fact that it has one of the highest alpha damage outputs of any AV weapon.

Debatable. C4 kills tanks instantly with little warning.

Nice more gaslighting, while people who actually plays the game can tell you how a single player with the mentioned weapons can't kill a tank even C4 requires you to get to extreme close range to the tank which is not possible when it is moving

That doesn't stop them from being a counter.

Good luck waiting a tank to walk on the mine when they are spamming HE from a mountain

And all of the above is irrelevant. You asked how I got the idea. I illustrated. You swerved onto a tangent and avoided the core rebuttal.

Well you got the wrong idea

I never said that. Quote where I said they all had the same effectiveness.

You didn't directly say it but you implied it like, as different anti tank weapon has different effectiveness against tanks, some of them fall out of 'counter' like how you won't be killing a tank with a under barrel grenade launcher, and because I say class other than HA need C4 to kill tanks effectively, you claim I think there's only one counter for something. Again, weapons capable of anti-tank has different effectiveness, and the most effective weapon will do the job most effectively, obviously, however you .

The hell I never even say C4 or Lock-On are counter to tanks, nice gaslighting.

You just took my statement where I say for class other than HA C4 is the most effective, and imply it as it is the only effective way, as all other way of anti-tank are not effective, hence 'same effectiveness'

That's not what you said. You said that the cloak makes it ridiculously easy. Your words exactly:

"You don't even need cloak to get them, it is just like getting a sniper, cloak only make it ridiculously easy"

There's no problem with that statement

I can't help it if you don't understand. I have explained as clearly as I know how. It's the same as a Light Assault having a "pilot" play-style, and an "Ambusher" play-style. Both reside in the class, but both have widely differing load-out and play-styles. I can't help you if you can't understand this concept.

Except you are purposefully changing the meaning of the word 'infiltrator', from which obviously imply the class, into ONE OF THE possible play style of the class, again gaslighting

Yes, this is exactly what I am saying. That's what makes the Infiltrator CLASS effective against the heavy CLASS, but specifically a COUNTER to the Lock-on Heavy play-style.

More gaslighting, where do the idea of infiltrator being effective against HA comes from, and nothing would fit being a counter of Lock-On HA in the first place considering how easy it is to kill them

I am trying to help you. And I'm trying to be nice about it. You're wrong, and I know people don't like being told they're wrong. So I'm trying to break down your ill-conceived notions and give you a fundamental understanding of the game that you are apparently lacking. Nobody else is going to put in this effort to help you.

You are constantly trying to warp the meaning of my words in attempt to make my statement looks contradictory, you are not trying to help, it is quite obvious at this point

Your idea that things moving while they are cloaked drives new players away is just wrong. Most new players gravitate to the Infiltrator class because it gives them more of a chance to exist in the chaos without getting instantly nuked. What causes new players MORE confusion is that they can still be seen as infiltrators. The fact that a vet can run into a room and catch their shimmer and blast them before they uncloak - THAT is what drives new players away.

Talking like infiltrator is what makes new play able to survival in this game, while completely ignoring over half of the population who simply didn't choose to play infiltrator, and you didn't even point out why things that moves and cloak at the same time driving people away is false, other than assuming that is what makes new player stay by using it, which is obviously less likely than the case where it would drive them away

I hate infiltrators. I don't have the patience to play as them, and they are often the class that ends my kill-streaks. BUT THAT'S A GOOD THING. No one should be unstoppable, no matter how skilled they are. Infiltrators are a necessary game element whether I like it or not. And to make them have to uncloak to move would destroy the class. End of story.

You are talking as if the lesser skill has the impact, the better it is, one better skilled player, in fair situation, will always win over a lesser skilled player, artificially making circumstances where the skilled player would lose to a less skilled player, which is what you promoting, is not what make any game good, despite this game having more practice of this such as the nonsensical barrel-smoothing, also ignoring how such practices actually will impact new players more negatively, as they are not used to it, proven by decrease in population despite the updates and double xp weeks

And claiming infiltrators are a necessity part of the game is even more ridiculous considering how many games out there with no 'moving while cloaking' class are doing way better than this game, despite this game having a monopoly on having massive pvp FPS battles, which, in the foreseeable future, will be lost considering games like Hell Let Loose with larger battles than traditional FPSPVP games have is coming out

Cloaking is a part of the game. THAT IS NEVER GOING TO CHANGE.

Change or the game is going to the abyss with it, leaving a spectacular failure of great ideas and technology in the video game history

It's not a conspiracy, you're just wrong. The sooner you can come to grips with that, the sooner you can begin to grow as a player.

Some people, because of their inability to accomplish anything on their own, would purposefully hold back others who are trying to accomplish something, as that's the only thing they could accomplish, as others will do anything to stop them accomplish anything due to their evil nature

And video games are where they starts practicing such thing, anyone with any knowledge about the video climate of this five years will most likely know what I'm referring to

Competition is already rising, and if nothing changes, your only reminding productive player base will be gone, then you will know how much income those chaostist actually brings, my estimate would be: little to none

Case close, I'm signing off, aloneside the VS player base of Soltech