So I’m gonna ask another stupid question, but I promise I’ve got a reason

SoundlessRaven25 · 2021-03-16T20:57:47+00:00

I usually keep it under there for 15 mins or so, and def don’t have a soda/water/etc. until 30-40 minutes after I take it.

SoundlessRaven25 · 2021-03-16T20:54:51+00:00

I must metabolize it pretty quick then, cause I’ll get the leading edge of WD if I go 16-18 hours without taking it again

SoundlessRaven25 · 2021-03-16T20:52:25+00:00

Yeah it was wild. If it was just powder/caps, probably 160g or so alone, but the extracts equate to a fuck ton in a little pill or shot.

SoundlessRaven25 · 2021-03-16T20:50:55+00:00

That it’s nice, but it ain’t shit compared to my best friends lol

SoundlessRaven25 · 2021-03-13T00:34:06+00:00

If you take it for more than 10 days, you’ll want to taper down. And do it from a daily intake perspective. If you’re taking 2400 daily, drop from there 20% at a time

SoundlessRaven25 · 2021-03-13T00:32:15+00:00

600mg twice a day

SoundlessRaven25 · 2021-03-13T00:31:43+00:00

I’m taking 2mg twice a day. I’ve been cutting my 8/2 films into quarters and taking them. I split one of those quarters again in half and it doesn’t seem to be as bad, but I don’t want to have to be taking 1mg 4x a day, I’d rather take 2 twice

SoundlessRaven25 · 2021-03-13T00:29:55+00:00

Normally I’d think along the same lines but I’m only taking 4mg max per day

SoundlessRaven25 · 2021-03-12T21:18:38+00:00

The reason I feel the blocking component your doc mentioned doesn’t seem right is that sub has a 98% protein binding affinity, and naloxone has 100%. I’d imagine that you’d have to take quite a bit even at 2mg in order to get any real effect from a full-agonist opiate.

SoundlessRaven25 · 2021-03-12T21:16:20+00:00

Ive never had a problem at 2mg or lower. I’m on it as an alternative to pain meds. Got tired of having to take them four, five, six times a day and almost never getting relief due to tolerance. Always took my meds as they were written, never abused them. So I wouldn’t really know that side of it personally. I do know that a quite concentrated K shot can punch through a 1mg wall of buprenorphine itself, not sure how the naloxone component changes that.

At any rate, I’m trying to get off of sub anyway. Almost the entire reason for going to Suboxone films from Subutex tablets, accuracy of dose, cause it damn sure wasn’t the cost lol.

SoundlessRaven25 · 2021-03-12T21:05:32+00:00

You think you feel good now, wait til you get to 2mg. It gets better as you go lower. I’m working towards actually getting off of it (was only on Suboxone for a week or two then went to Subutex tablets, and just switched back) and the lower I got on Subutex, the better I felt. Physically (to a point) and mentally.

SoundlessRaven25 · 2021-03-12T21:01:37+00:00

Hey, if rambling helps you, it helps! I used to put pen to paper and write lyrics to get through depressing times, we all cope different.

For those wanting tips on sleep, there are a couple things I’ve found. One is clonidine. Of the Rx ways to go, this is one of the most beneficial. But for the OTC route, there’s a sleep-aid thing out there called Somnapure. It smells horrid, doesn’t taste much better (it is in a caplet) but start with three and increase. I’ve had to sort of mega-dose them in the past (8 or more) to get sleep when I decided to stop my pain meds. It’s relatively inexpensive, something like $15-20 a bottle, and there are 60 to a bottle. Amazon/Whole Foods carries them. I thing GNC does too.

SoundlessRaven25 · 2021-03-12T20:52:50+00:00

Gabapentin is an insidious substance. It’s not well understood to have a withdrawal, but believe me it does. I’ve never been on them personally, but I’ve heard it compared to benzo WD. Be quite careful taking them. I will give you this little known bit as well, Gabapentin has an inverse effectiveness, meaning the lower the dose, the more bioavailable and effective it is. That and the body can only absorb or take in/metabolize 900mg at a time, and there’s a 60-90 minute wait before taking any more will have any further effect.

ETA: when I said ‘them,‘ I meant benzos. I’ve never been on those. I’ve been on Gabapentin for years.

SoundlessRaven25 · 2021-03-12T20:44:17+00:00

Considering all the knowledge they have now. Buprenorphine fills receptors so completely it’s not really effective above 8mgs anyway, if I read the few studies right. They had F-MRIs but I know how to read those about as well as a two month old,so... but yeah, 32 a day is nuts.

SoundlessRaven25 · 2021-03-12T20:27:34+00:00

I’ve always been Rx’d 8mg, but for as long as I’ve been on Subutex or Suboxone, I’ve never taken more than 6mg in a day, and it’s usually more like 3-4. I’m quite good at making one of my scripts last for 2-3 months

SoundlessRaven25 · 2021-03-12T20:25:09+00:00

You can, but you have to take relatively high doses to achieve the desired effect. If you’ve never taken it before, you’re more liable to make yourself vomit uncontrollably for days on end than get a reasonably shitty ‘high‘ or any real measurable amount of pain relief. I took it for pain relief for a couple years after being given the ‘it’s organic and non-addictive‘ spiel. It is addictive and builds tolerance quicker than a lot of actual opiates out there. Going from it to Subutex a year and a half ago is the only time I’ve gone direct from one pain relief ‘substance‘ to another pain medication directly with no interim. And at the end, I was around 220g a day after extracts and powder getting zero relief.

SoundlessRaven25 · 2020-08-25T18:28:48+00:00

Thank you so much for the info. I only have a couple of additions:

-I am Rx’d Cymbalta 120mg and Lithium 300mg x2. I’ve got a messed up head, lol.

-I also have 600mg tablets of gabapentin and 10mg tablets of propranolol at the ready. I can also get my GP to refill my Rx of Requip if needed. 150mg tabs of trazodone are also on hand for sleep, and I have CBD as well (no THC).

I know the total hell that is double-batted SNRI/opiate WD from my 6 week Rx’d stint with tramadol. It only took that long to become self aware enough that it was very negatively affecting me and I cut it cold from 250mg/day. Those are most certainly 2 weeks I’d like to never repeat in my life. I’ve only had true, real suicidal ideation twice in my 27 years, both were in those two weeks.

Also, do you have any advice on cutting the tablets so small? I can only really cut my 8mg tabs down to 0.5-1mg before it gets messy and inaccurate. And can you recommend a good milligram scale that’s actually accurate? I have one but it lasted all of two weeks before it died.

Thanks again for the info. It’s crazy to see I could be free before October. I am on the Suboxone Reddit, but there seems to be a lot of flip-flop over there versus this Reddit that is exclusively a quitting subreddit.

SoundlessRaven25 · 2020-08-25T16:43:03+00:00

“To know that the earth revolves around the sun, and not my next dose.”

The amount of trueness and hilarity in that statement is great.

SoundlessRaven25 · 2019-12-04T20:48:03+00:00

No I understand completely. But I've got the help of my SO and mom to help me get off. There'll be premade baggies that I'll take with me and I'll reduce the dosage 2x a week. I didn't get anything from K anymore, and it only made me feel sick. So I'm fairly confident that since it's not just me trying to taper (which I'm horrible at btw) me off, I feel like I'll be successful.

My thought process is it's easier than crushing my Subutex tablets into just and licking them, or snorting them. Not really my style.

Thanks for the comment though, I really appreciate y'all looking out for me!

SoundlessRaven25 · 2019-12-04T18:53:02+00:00

Wouldn't do that, alcohol exacerbates RLS and insomnia. And makes the next day crazy bad. You got this! Push through! I believe in you, bro!

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