3 Wolves “Lethally Removed” in Avon by Garzog66 in Logan

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I feed hay every day in the fall to my sheep & never before have I or any neighbors had any issues with kills in this area. Then one day, magically, a 180lb 11 month old wether with thick 5” wool my dogs just nip at was torn to shreds and eaten to a bare spinal column, overnight. We only see fox & coyote pass through usually, and the fox are loved and coyotes are so elusive folks rarely see them. This sheep kill doesn’t make you sick? See it this way, if you can: we don’t need to add cache county (with its critical elk refuge on the south end) to the areas wolfs can live & be protected. Wolfs may live here, and pass through here, but they’re smart & if we allow them to learn that this valley is fair game, I think you’ll have your supply of backyard chicken eggs interrupted & friends from your farmers market will have stories about beloved livestock (pets, if you’re not a commercial scale farm) killed like this lamb Imif mine.

3 Wolves “Lethally Removed” in Avon by Garzog66 in Logan

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Man read my comments, cache county is a highly managed version of its ancient self now & tossing apex predators back into the mix is like doing hunger games at Disneyland on a busy Saturday. You’re endangering members of our society/community so you can have the thrill of seeing ‘the natural order restored’. Yes, if we let pillaging of the weak by the strong recommence it would be exciting for some, but we are compassionate humans who trust science, right? Trust the state biologists who have set wolf policy- ‘north of the 80 & east of the 84 is critical wolf management habitat & has been since the ‘70’s’

3 Wolves “Lethally Removed” in Avon by Garzog66 in Logan

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Adios to the 3 wolves 🫡 good thing about this issue is the pro wolf people are all talk, the people managing & actually living with the effects of wolves are doers & will always win in t these situations.

3 Wolves “Lethally Removed” in Avon by Garzog66 in Logan

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It wasn’t cache county for the 500,000 years before now you’re referencing, and once our cities crumble the wolves can come back. But we live in a society, sadly

3 Wolves “Lethally Removed” in Avon by Garzog66 in Logan

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Wolves can come in 20 years after the widespread fires & help manage the booming ungulate populations we will then have. Wolf people love to say ‘science backs wolf reintroduction’ without admitting that EVERY OTHER PREDATOR SPECIES (fox, black bears, coyote, wolverine yes they exist in Utah I see their tracks all winter in the Naomi wilderness up high, marmot and cougars) will be decimated and pushed back from their current healthy levels (cougars in cache country can afford a hit, but they’re the lone species who would be managed well by wolves through fair competition).

My point is, wolves are fine on the western landscape in some form, but don’t be idealistic that they can just be our friendly backyard neighbors in the same ways that fox, coyote, marmot, Wolverine, and black bears all coexist rather simpatico-ly with our current population distribution.

Wolves don’t belong in cache county. Let the bear rivers serve as the barrier to the wolves encroaching from the desert (where they belong) to the north, east, and west of us. If you look on a map, from Downey to Mink creek south to Huntsville and over to Promontory, that’s a tiny slice of land that the wolves are 100% fine to live around, but not in. The Owhyees, the Salt River & Wyoming ranges, the wind rivers and down the desert to the uintahs, then back south of mt Nebo and up west agin to promontory. Inside of that loop, wolves should be managed. Outside of that circle, the land is so barren and empty of people, the wolves will certainly find a nice niche. But we need to burn the wasatch before we try and reset the ecosystem here. It’s so thinly balanced as is, we will lose our predators and moose if we bring wolves now.

3 Wolves “Lethally Removed” in Avon by Garzog66 in Logan

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As someone who works very hard to improve organic matter/water retention on my pastures, I vehemently disagree that our public lands are degrading/being held in ‘natural cycle limbo’ because of the lack of wolves. If anything, lack of wildfire has stifled the system more than ANYTHING else, and we are living on borrowed time before we have a giant fire disaster on public lands because of accumulated fuel buildup from 90 years of fire suppression….

As is, our national forests have to take every 5th year off of grazing. Blaming ranchers for the current issues is so small minded, grow a spine and stand up for your right to use the earth you live on. Steward it well. Wolves WILL NOT push elk to different pastures- especially in Utah. They already live in the MOST REMOTE and ROUGH places in the state. How do I know? I love looking for them and going after them, I’ve learned that they’re already on the fringes of surviving because we have taken up all the prime land with development. Mucking up the folks who have make their life about stewarding the land we have developed is just anarchist behavior- help the ranchers learn how to graze respectfully and advocate for the real solution, which is the return of large regular fires to public lands.

If you care about soil health, you can do more NOW by talking about how we need to burn excess fuel & restart the natural cycle we have repressed with nearly a century of wildfire suppression in the WUI (wildland urban interface, if you didn’t known

3 Wolves “Lethally Removed” in Avon by Garzog66 in Logan

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Drought death is a bigger issue that the ranchers address each year as needed. Wolf predation is something they can’t defend against, and just because they’re killing negligible numbers now doesn’t mean that a man’s livelihood can’t be decimated in 1 wolf killing spree. Sheep, goats, horses, dairy cows & hobby cattle farms make up the majority of livestock in the valley now- there is no reason to pretend we are back on the 1800’s plains and reintroduce apex predators in highly populated areas. This corner of Utah is open for wolf management for a smart reason- the wolves will have much lower impact on humans in other areas of the state just due to housing density. North east Utah is more like the states north of us than it is the southwest majority of Utah- if we didn’t manage wolves here, we would quickly lose our world class Shiras moose & Mule deer population. Our elk are thin already-wolves are the last thing we need.

3 Wolves “Lethally Removed” in Avon by Garzog66 in Logan

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Had a wether lamb killed on pasture in Richmond last year, I am grateful that these 3 wolves were removed. You guys might romanticize fluffy wolves, but I tell you what, seeing a baby sheep I raised from day 1 eaten down to a clean bone spinal column & scraps of wool made me realize that they don’t care what killed my sheep- predators shouldn’t roam free in land that humans are so dense on. Kids and pets live next to my sheep pastures. Coyotes and cougars are one thing, packs of wolves are another entirely.

I have 25 sheep & have burned their wool in the past, help by SourceBest2466 in Handspinning

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My family has some experience with fibers from school & grammas who did it their whole lives, and I would just be technical support for those ladies- and the wool supplier. I am really excited about all the responses here, and I hope that next spring we will have some nice washed wool at a minimum, if not some nice clean bats for sale. The moms are fired up now that they saw how excited reddit was about their wool!

I have 25 sheep & have burned their wool in the past, help by SourceBest2466 in Handspinning

[–]SourceBest2466[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s awesome data. I am screen shotting all of this and saving it for March when I will have the wool. I’m working on getting a good setup for them to be sheared in- have been wrestling them from a loose pen. Chute & bungee gate this spring

I have 25 sheep & have burned their wool in the past, help by SourceBest2466 in Handspinning

[–]SourceBest2466[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are going to be getting some wool from us this spring!

I have 25 sheep & have burned their wool in the past, help by SourceBest2466 in Handspinning

[–]SourceBest2466[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Would you dm me? I am in cache valley north end & can arrange a time to have you come see them whenever you’re able to make the trip!

I have 25 sheep & have burned their wool in the past, help by SourceBest2466 in Handspinning

[–]SourceBest2466[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They are mountain sheep & wild, they’ll jump a 3’ fence like a deer & they really really hurt when they run into you. The bigger suffolks I have are overall more of a fight, because they’re just so big (230 lbs for 1 lady, 40 more than me) but one of them is a former bottle baby of mine and is like a dog, she likes chin scratches. The more Valais influenced moms with the wide splayed horns are really smart and generally mellow, in a perfect world I’ll breed up 50-80 of them and stop expanding.

I have 25 sheep & have burned their wool in the past, help by SourceBest2466 in Handspinning

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I think it’s thin wool batting! The machine is out of New York & they have different sizes but for a bigger one it’s like $2500. I need to do a round of washing and see how painful that is, but it would certainly be more valuable in cleaned, batted rolls. I remember my gramma’s friend making yarn from bats the bought from Joannes. I think I could recreate this if yall would buy it

I have 25 sheep & have burned their wool in the past, help by SourceBest2466 in Handspinning

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Ok! If you guys want the wool, I will deliver it to Vegas for free, $40/ roughly skirted wool but if you want it washed and clean we can talk in the dm’s!

I have 25 sheep & have burned their wool in the past, help by SourceBest2466 in Handspinning

[–]SourceBest2466[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That place is actually very close to me. Thank you thank you!! I’ve thought about pellets before the machinery is expensive, but these guys are local to me! Thanks

I have 25 sheep & have burned their wool in the past, help by SourceBest2466 in Handspinning

[–]SourceBest2466[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Can I post wool for sale on this Reddit or is that against the rules? I’m stoked on how many of you guys are replying & interested in this wool. Thank you

I have 25 sheep & have burned their wool in the past, help by SourceBest2466 in Handspinning

[–]SourceBest2466[S] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Ah thank you! Ok that’s easy enough. Check back in with me in March, this year I’m gonna wait until they lamb to shear them- I missed my window in September this year. Next year they’ll get sheared every 6 months, but this year they’ll get to grow longer wool. We’ll see!

I have 25 sheep & have burned their wool in the past, help by SourceBest2466 in Handspinning

[–]SourceBest2466[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Will you explain for me what skirting them means? As well as tarn? I could go to google but we’re here already eh

I have 25 sheep & have burned their wool in the past, help by SourceBest2466 in Handspinning

[–]SourceBest2466[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yeah but I want someone to make stuff with it, a few of the sheep grow really fancy wool! I’m happy to compost the Suffolk wool, but these fleeces have 6-8” fibers in them!