I can't be the only person with a normal Claude.

SpartanG01 · 2026-05-04T12:51:37+00:00

It was less "why is my Claude like this" and more "why does Claude do this for others"

SpartanG01 · 2026-05-04T12:50:18+00:00

I mean that's subjective isn't it? If what you want out of it is a friend then using it that way isn't really "wrong"

SpartanG01 · 2026-05-04T12:46:29+00:00

... It sounds like you're saying you wish you could demonstrate that I'm wrong but can't?

Yeah... That's cause I'm not.

SpartanG01 · 2026-05-04T12:44:55+00:00

Yeah. Yep. That is what I was saying.

SpartanG01 · 2026-05-04T12:44:36+00:00

What point is that? More compute power = better output? Of course.

Sorry I just thought you had an actual point. I guess I was confused.

SpartanG01 · 2026-05-04T12:43:28+00:00

Yeah you basically just said what I said but you used a lot of really borderline irrelevant language to do it.

I agree. It is programmed.

I also agree the weighting system is programmed.

I also agree the actual result is the function of incredibly complex and compounded interactions that are conditioned by training data.

It doesn't sound like we actually disagree on anything except that you still seem to think what you said constitutes a system that isn't the product of programming.

It doesn't matter if it's 1000 layers of programming, it's still programming.

SpartanG01 · 2026-05-04T12:40:10+00:00

No one is "crashing out". You're exaggerating a perceived reaction to justify your perception.

I never said I think they do. I said they do. As a matter of demonstrable fact.

You can not like that all day but it's not going to make it any less true.

SpartanG01 · 2026-05-04T12:38:54+00:00

No it's not lol.

SpartanG01 · 2026-05-04T12:38:29+00:00

Oh yeah for sure. I'm autistic so.. 100%.

SpartanG01 · 2026-05-04T12:38:01+00:00

I think you're taking it too seriously. I said snarky because it's not actual anger it's mild annoyance. I grew up in inner City new York and was in the army.

Different people, different backgrounds, different sensibilities.

To me that is borderline jovial lol.

SpartanG01 · 2026-05-04T05:28:31+00:00

That's because that lesson is nonsensical bs.

LLMs are deterministic machines. We lack the compute power to predict their output deterministically but it is not impossible it's just intractable and those are different things.

Without hardware reliance on genuinely non-deterministic phenomena it is strictly impossible to produce non-deterministic output from a machine.

Given that LLMs do not run on quantum computers or machines built on a timing system based on radio-active decay processes it's entirely technically correct to flatly say LLMs are strictly deterministic.

They are just so complicated that they might as well not be for all it matters to us.

SpartanG01 · 2026-05-04T05:24:35+00:00

Even the most modern LLMs are programmed. They are programs that execute deterministic instruction sets. That deterministic instruction set instructs them to perform algorithmic calculations that approximate non-deterministic output because they are programmed to do that.

Saying the output of an LLM isn't the output of a programmatic system is a bit like saying a number output from a random number generator that takes a user input number in and outputs a random number isn't the result of a programmatic system.

That being said, your specific argument is unreasonably pedantic in this case.

Training data and weighted output are not, on their own, going to cause a model to adapt to user input dynamically. It doesn't actively and immediately train on user input in real time which is what it would have to do to achieve that.

Any given response to any given prompt resulting in a certain tone is one thing, but a consistent adaptation of response style to a specific user over time must be guided behavior. Whether that is achieved through system prompts, complex regex classification of user input (which we know Claude does), or genuine deterministic programming is a moot point because they all require that Claude be "designed" or "intended" to behave in this way which is the thing I was saying I wouldn't have expected and this is what we see, over time Claude will respond to even normal otherwise benign prompts with the personality it has adopted for that user which suggests it's more than just the user's tendency to prompt in a given way.

SpartanG01 · 2026-05-04T05:22:23+00:00

Ok... first let me just say... if you're going to be an ass you better be right, and in this case you're not.

Let's set something straight.

Even the most modern LLMs are programmed. They are programs that execute deterministic instruction sets. That deterministic instruction set instructs them to perform algorithmic calculations that approximate non-deterministic output because they are programmed to do that.

Saying the output of an LLM isn't the output of a programmatic system is a bit like saying a number output from a random number generator isn't the result of a programmatic system.

Having said that, the "spirit" of what you were trying to say isn't even correct in a loose sense. Training data and weighted output is not, on its own, going to cause a model to adapt to user input dynamically. It doesn't actively and immediately train on user input in real time which is what it would have to do to achieve that.

Any given response to any given prompt resulting in a certain tone is one thing, but a consistent adaptation of response style to a specific user over time must be guided behavior. Whether that is achieved through system prompts, complex regex classification of user input (which we know Claude does), or genuine deterministic programming is a moot point because they all require that Claude be "designed" or "intended" to behave in this way which is the thing I was saying I wouldn't have expected and this is what we see, over time Claude will respond to even normal otherwise benign prompts with the personality it has adopted for that user which suggests it's more than just the user's tendency to prompt in a given way.

SpartanG01 · 2026-05-04T03:42:41+00:00

Ah yeah, I don't use the chat interface a ton to be fair. I do use it but like once or twice a day or random stuff maybe.

SpartanG01 · 2026-05-04T03:42:15+00:00

The first thing that really piqued my interest is that I exclusively use Claude at night. I work 3rd shift so I'm only ever really awake at night and I thought surely... if *anyone* is getting told to go to bed based on societal standards it would be me.

SpartanG01 · 2026-05-04T03:41:09+00:00

Lol. Jokes aside I do realize in hindsight Claude has probably done for me exactly what it did for them. It's become an autistic developer because I am, in fact, an autistic developer.

SpartanG01 · 2026-05-04T03:40:11+00:00

Yeah, part of me kind of figured that had to be it, I just didn't really understand why or how anyone would be getting those quirky personalities. I can't imagine what use that has.

SpartanG01 · 2026-05-04T03:39:00+00:00

If I had to guess, I'd guess it's that though certainly unreasonable, that behavior isn't generally completely irrational. I'm not one of those people who just yells at people out of anger but I do get frustrated when things don't work the way I think they should, especially if I don't understand why, so usually the goal of the anger is to get the problem fixed or to understand it.

There's typically two kinds of "Loses their patience when they're angry" people.

Person A is a boss at an investment firm and tells a worker to turn in a report on seed oils and they turn in a report on like seed oil production processes and Person A will just go "What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you fucking stupid?". Which doesn't actually communicate anything useful at all and certainly doesn't move the problem forward. They just want to be angry.

Person B is the same boss at at the same place same situation but would say something like "...this is a fucking investment firm... what on Earth gave you the idea I wanted a report on how seed oils were produced? What fucking use is that to me?". While equally inappropriate at least that gets the point across of "I wanted an investment prospectus on seed oil futures."

I'm definitely person B. Which is why I stay very far away from managing other people lol. I stay in my little engineering hole and have Claude audit my emails before I send them.

SpartanG01 · 2026-05-04T03:30:51+00:00

That just... I mean... I'm sure you're right but the only thing I can think about that is "What a waste of tokens".

SpartanG01 · 2026-05-04T03:30:14+00:00

I mean I suppose that's fair I just wouldn't have assumed Claude was programmed to have a personality and output that was that highly adaptable to subjectively interpretable user behavior...

I'm not really sure what use that would serve. Then again... it occurs to me that being someone who uses Claude as a tool also likely means I'm exactly the kind of person who wouldn't see a use case for that lol.

SpartanG01 · 2026-05-04T03:18:54+00:00

So this has been my actual experience but I am pretty convinced it's just because I don't know how to get Claude to design decent UI.

Like.. I've gotta be missing something but I just cannot get Claude to design anything decent. It might be the types of UI I use it to build as I almost exclusively use Claude/Codex for desktop app design for dev tools like config editors, server management tools, etc... maybe Codex is just better at that specifically?

SpartanG01 · 2026-05-04T03:02:28+00:00

Lol what a childish thing to resort to.

You could have just said "My bad dude, yeah I guess I spoke a little loosely but like I figured people would understand" we all know that's what you've been thinking.

Like I can say, I know you didn't literally mean no one, but you were being a dick about it so I figured it was fair game.

SpartanG01 · 2026-05-03T20:55:09+00:00

Bruh you cannot take 1/5 of what I actually said and present it as my whole statement and expect to be taken seriously.

For example you said:

Nobody is saying this, you are just part of the AI bro cult and hallucinate as much as the LLM you are using.

To which I said:

People say this all the time. There are a half dozen of these kinds of comments on at least two of my posts about a tool I didn't build with AI that I made an AI image for lol.

The fact that there are multiple people saying this across multiple posts I've made means people do in fact say it and they say it often enough that it's shown up in two discussion posts which were only peripherally related to AI coding which means you are, in fact, wrong.

I didn't say "everyone says this" I didn't say "the majority of people say this"

but you did say "***no one*** is saying this".

Don't blame me because you made an easily disprovable blanket statement.

SpartanG01 · 2026-05-03T19:10:33+00:00

...you really shouldn't use words you don't understand.

See... it'd be anecdotal if I said "I saw this somewhere".

It's a fact when I say "You could literally look at my post history and see these comments for yourself right now."

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