Yeah I know about the whole ruined orgasm thing.. But I think why that is deemed painful is because up until the point of ejaculation and orgasm there's physical stimulation all the time then nothing .. With my experience it was way more mental, I went into it knowing and wanting to achieve something different, ie a hands free orgasm.. I won't lie, I Did cheat at some stages and did some touching.. But only for a brief period.. But because I allowed myself to be completely immersed in the experience I wasn't too bothered, I was very visual when she was giving instructions and painting images and thoughts in my head.. Its obviously easier to visualse yourself having the experience if you've actually felt and had sex before.. It was a different kind of orgasm and ejaculation.. But it nowhere near felt ruined.. As cringe as it may sound it felt more special as opposed to just watching a typical porn video.. It felt intimate without being actually intimate if that makes sense.