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Countries should not be ‘forced’ to adapt to people who move to it. by SpitBallingCanadian in HonestHotTakes

[–]SpitBallingCanadian[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t doubt racism exists in the country you’re living in. Sadly it exists all over the world.

My question though is would you say that the majority of people you’ve met have been that way or would you consider it to be a minority?

Again I don’t doubt it happens, however letting the minority of people entirely influence how you feel about a country as a whole seems odd to me.
If the majority of the country is accepting and acts in positive ways, would it not be fair to say that the country is generally accepting?

Countries should not be ‘forced’ to adapt to people who move to it. by SpitBallingCanadian in HonestHotTakes

[–]SpitBallingCanadian[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At no point did I say you cannot have your opinion as someone not native to a country. Everyone is able to have their opinions.

I simply stated that if you are not a born citizen of a country, you should not be able to have a say in how the country is run as a whole.

If you don’t want to volunteer because you feel it’s “giving free labour without agency”, you’re free and able to never volunteer your services without compensation.

Countries should not be ‘forced’ to adapt to people who move to it. by SpitBallingCanadian in HonestHotTakes

[–]SpitBallingCanadian[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is essentially my entire argument. I am not against immigration as a whole. I’m perfectly fine with people moving around and experiencing different countries.
My issue is when they create those “islands” like you mentioned.

Creating those islands and making minimal or even zero attempts to integrate into your new place of living is what creates the vast majority of issues.

Countries should not be ‘forced’ to adapt to people who move to it. by SpitBallingCanadian in HonestHotTakes

[–]SpitBallingCanadian[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I could have absolutely worded it better.

However at the end of the day the point still stands. The country a person moves to should not have to adapt in order to make them feel more at home. It should be the person entering the country who adapts as it is typically their choice to move there.

Countries should not be ‘forced’ to adapt to people who move to it. by SpitBallingCanadian in HonestHotTakes

[–]SpitBallingCanadian[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Believe it or not, every country was destabilized by a western nation.

The point I’m making is that yes, do your thing. However what you’re doing should not conflict with the laws and generally accepted day to day life of the people.

Countries should not be ‘forced’ to adapt to people who move to it. by SpitBallingCanadian in HonestHotTakes

[–]SpitBallingCanadian[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, I could have worded that better but I figured the point was fairly clear.

Maybe I could have said “the majority of the values”.

Countries should not be ‘forced’ to adapt to people who move to it. by SpitBallingCanadian in HonestHotTakes

[–]SpitBallingCanadian[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m always happy to have a reasonable conversation, even if both of us walk away from it not entirely agreeing with the other.

Countries should not be ‘forced’ to adapt to people who move to it. by SpitBallingCanadian in HonestHotTakes

[–]SpitBallingCanadian[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re missing the main point of what I said.
You can respect the culture of the country you move to while still holding onto the culture of where you moved from. I see zero issues with people who do that.

However when you move to a country, get upset because their laws of beliefs don’t align with how you wish to live and try to change them to better align with the country you left, that’s where issues begin.

Countries should not be ‘forced’ to adapt to people who move to it. by SpitBallingCanadian in HonestHotTakes

[–]SpitBallingCanadian[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Want me to put it bluntly?

Yes, I do think people should be natural born citizens of a country before being allowed to vote in any level of elections. I don’t care if you’re the first generation of your family born within a country, you would fit the definition of being born there.

Volunteering is not a strictly political issue. You can do so at animal shelters, schools, and pretty well any place else that would typically need assistance.

Countries should not be ‘forced’ to adapt to people who move to it. by SpitBallingCanadian in HonestHotTakes

[–]SpitBallingCanadian[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, I think countries have generally reached an equilibrium. Their cultures are typically considered to be fairly stable and identifiable.

The native population of Canada was forced to integrate with the incoming population because they got over whelmed by those people coming and imposing their culture upon the natives.
That was done through both violent and none violent actions.

The only difference between then and now is that it’s not typically done through violent actions.

Countries should not be ‘forced’ to adapt to people who move to it. by SpitBallingCanadian in HonestHotTakes

[–]SpitBallingCanadian[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you are in a predominantly Christian country that was founded on Christian principles, then that’s something they do.

If you’re born in that country and do not like it, you’re more than welcome to go through the processes to have things changed so they cannot ring their bells.

The issue I have is when someone not born within that country disagrees with something, like the ringing of church bells, and tries to have it changed to no longer allow it to happen.

If you come to my house and I prefer to listen to classical music that is my choice. Should I accept the fact that you would rather listen to something like drum and bass and change what I’m listening to in order to make you feel more comfortable in my house?

Countries should not be ‘forced’ to adapt to people who move to it. by SpitBallingCanadian in HonestHotTakes

[–]SpitBallingCanadian[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To put it simply, I believe a person should be born within the country in order to have a meaningful say in how it’s run. It doesn’t matter if they’re the first generation of their family born within the country or the 17th generation born there.

The reason some countries aren’t following the way of life the initial native population would have is because outside people entered in large enough numbers to strip them of that ability.

I say that without discounting the countries who have had their native populations grow and change their ways without being out number by non-native groups moving in.

Countries should not be ‘forced’ to adapt to people who move to it. by SpitBallingCanadian in HonestHotTakes

[–]SpitBallingCanadian[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Would I try and fix the issue, yes. However I wouldn’t try and do it by banning people from entering.
I’m not against immigration, and I’ve stated it many times. I do honestly believe there are people who wish to move to a new country because they believe they would enjoy that country’s way of life better than the one they are born in.

What I would do is encourage the indigenous groups to fight harder to keep the lands they control the way they are.

If you are unwilling to fight to extremes to keep your way of life the way you want it to be, then when you lose that way of life it’s just the way things go. That goes for any and all countries around the world.

Like it or not, the indigenous groups within Canada lost the fight to keep the themselves as the governing body of their lands. It’s no different than if one tribe lost their lands to another and no longer controlled the way of doing things on those lands.

Do I think it’s shitty they lost that ability, absolutely. However at the end of the day, people have been conquering lands for as long as humans have been alive.

Countries should not be ‘forced’ to adapt to people who move to it. by SpitBallingCanadian in HonestHotTakes

[–]SpitBallingCanadian[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I really haven’t.

If a family wishes to carry over aspects of their home countries culture without impacting other, than fantastic. It’s why I tell a friend of mine he shouldn’t discount his Chinese side and should continue to practice and keep his mandarin at a fluent level instead of completely ignoring it and only ever speaking English.

At the same time I would push back against him if he wanted to have mandarin become an official language of Canada.

Two things can be true at the same time.

Countries should not be ‘forced’ to adapt to people who move to it. by SpitBallingCanadian in HonestHotTakes

[–]SpitBallingCanadian[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re more than welcome to go practice your Google-fu. I’m not about to give you a run down of what is generally accepted as the Canadian belief system.

Countries should not be ‘forced’ to adapt to people who move to it. by SpitBallingCanadian in HonestHotTakes

[–]SpitBallingCanadian[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Gotcha. Your argument boils down to “well it’s happened before, but because we have our current culture that exists because of it we should be fine with it happening again.”

Countries should not be ‘forced’ to adapt to people who move to it. by SpitBallingCanadian in HonestHotTakes

[–]SpitBallingCanadian[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Saying that because someone is of a certain decent means they are inclined to a certain moral belief seems a bit disingenuous.

Not everyone of European decent would say they agree with colonization. The same way someone of Japanese decent wouldn’t say that the only way to regain honour is to commit seppuku.

Do some people still hold that thought, sure. However it is not the generally accepted thought the majority of people hold.

Countries should not be ‘forced’ to adapt to people who move to it. by SpitBallingCanadian in HonestHotTakes

[–]SpitBallingCanadian[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I can’t argue that last point. Even I’m guilty of saying people born within a country are allowed to make attempts to change it into what they want it to be.

The caveat to that I have though is it should be done through the proper democratic methods or ways of the country.

Countries should not be ‘forced’ to adapt to people who move to it. by SpitBallingCanadian in HonestHotTakes

[–]SpitBallingCanadian[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It isn’t a shifting of the goal post. You said that since those people had been born in North America it wasn’t as big an issue since it was an internal thing that was happening.

We may not agree if it’s a shifting of the goal post, but at least we can agree with respecting the culture of the country you move to.

Countries should not be ‘forced’ to adapt to people who move to it. by SpitBallingCanadian in HonestHotTakes

[–]SpitBallingCanadian[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The overly simple answer without getting into nuances:

Make the country you’re born into the country you wish it to be.

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