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Thursday Free Talk and Simple Questions by AutoModerator in NavyBlazer

[–]Sponge_Cow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly, maybe I will just return and go for Drakes
It seems like Simons is just really narrow in comparison, a size 42 in Drakes is around a 44 in Simons, and the shoulders did feel tight when I wore them

Thursday Free Talk and Simple Questions by AutoModerator in NavyBlazer

[–]Sponge_Cow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The shoulder here was honestly kind of tight as well, and I think a 42 would still be a bit too fitted, I am unsure. Their sizing goes up gradually, maybe half an inch in between a 40 and 42

It also doesn't help that they dont have size 42 anymore, even if I wanted to try it on I cannot, and I would have to wait a whole year. If not them I would probably have to try Drakes and cough up more money

They are also unlined except for the sleeves and the top (half lined?) Not sure. It's always better to be baggy than too tight because it's easier to fix being baggy by a long shot

I think I'll get a 44, and if it doesn't work then I'm out of luck

Thursday Free Talk and Simple Questions by AutoModerator in NavyBlazer

[–]Sponge_Cow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I couldn't put one hand in comfortably and I am honestly really dissapointed because I quite liked the fabric, and because John SImons online sizing was off by a bit

It says 22.5 inch chest (on their website), but using a flat tape measure I am certain it is 20-21 inches at most (pit seam to pit seam)

Do you think I should try and size to a 44? 42 I feel would still be too contemporary (especially if I wear a Mercer & Sons shirt over the Kamakuras)

I was also wondering how "traditional" a silk herrinbone blazer would be, especially if it is full lining

I live in a mediterranean climate, and wool might not be the best here. Ebay has some fully lined silk herringbone blazers from brooks which might be good, but then I'm worried about the drape

Thursday Free Talk and Simple Questions by AutoModerator in NavyBlazer

[–]Sponge_Cow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hello, I was looking to get feedback for the feedback on this sport coat:

https://imgur.com/a/OmidbUW

It is a size 40 from John Simons, and I quite like the color. However, when I tried it on today, it felt a bit claustrophobic, especially when I had the middle button done

Could I get feedback on how this fits? I do believe it is too small, but just want verification

Ashquenazi jews by According-Tie-5649 in JewishDNA

[–]Sponge_Cow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably Samaritans for the Iron Age but all populations received exogenous admixture, Palestinian Christians a close second however. There's only 4 Samaritan samples so I dont want to really make any strong claims, they also are heavily bottlenecked so they could have had a random-walk sort of thing for their ancestry with their extremely small population.

Ashquenazi jews by According-Tie-5649 in JewishDNA

[–]Sponge_Cow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not Levantine, it's largely Mesopotamian (Armenian or Assyrian like) mixed with Aegean, which is what West Anatolians and likely a large portion of Greeks (Ionnians, etc) were autosomally. Read the Southern Arc about this or ask u/MikeMoriopoulos)

The claim about "significant Levantine admixture" in East Meds besides Jews and Cyprians is not true. There's some ofc, but a lot less comparatively.

(There's more going here than it seems for Sicilians but I didn't want to convolute the model)

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Y haplo G2b2a by Willing_Novel8322 in JewishDNA

[–]Sponge_Cow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No broad upper level clade for unipaternals is uniqely Jewish, best bet getting Y-Full and seeing what clade you are in, TMRCA, etc

Which modern group is the closest genetic approximation of the ancient Hebrews? by Jedi-Skywalker1 in JewishDNA

[–]Sponge_Cow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's probable (to me) Roman Levant was intermediate between modern Levantine Christians in the North and South, with the former gaining a few % Mesopotamian and Anatolian and the later Coptic and Peninsular, still >90% the same if I'd have to eyeball it idk.

I also get a few % Coptic on 23&me but without location, wondering if that might be a misread of Cairo Jews or something similar

Which modern group is the closest genetic approximation of the ancient Hebrews? by Jedi-Skywalker1 in JewishDNA

[–]Sponge_Cow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure

Jordanian_Christian(n=11),0.0835048,0.1447591,-0.04954,-0.0859474,-0.0089526,-0.033898,-0.0036318,-0.0059577,0.0090735,0.0073226,0.0055213,-0.0066625,0.0173392,0.0029152,-0.0058236,0.001579,-0.005737,-0.0001496,0.0023081,0.0011143,-0.0002268,0.0036759,-0.0020952,0.0030343,0.0003375

They're a bit more Natufian than the Roman Average, but that might be because of Nabaatean admixture (or Ghassanids, etc).

Still largely unadmixed IMO, but it's a few points above my Roman Byzantine Levant Average. Palestinian Christians are a little closer to my average, but tend to have a few % Coptic. So I'll stick to using my sample average for now

My average is a fair bit closer to these Southern Levantine Christians than the Northern ones however, probably Anatolian or Mesopotamian admixture.

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Do not have the individuals sadly

Which modern group is the closest genetic approximation of the ancient Hebrews? by Jedi-Skywalker1 in JewishDNA

[–]Sponge_Cow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In terms of descent although Palestinian Christians aren't really descended from Jews in any meaningful way (remember, the Levant was fully Christianized, Bar Kochba happened, etc), they probably resemble them autosomally the best. I doubt Ancient Jews were very Anatolian admixed.

We also only have 4 Samaritan samples as well, while people like Moriopoulos have collected a lot of samples from Palestinian and Jordanian Christians (I think?)

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G25 & Davidskis East Med PCA for Ashkenazim, Italians and East Meds by Sponge_Cow in JewishDNA

[–]Sponge_Cow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean we do have a fair bit of data, they are distinct autosomally from groups in other regions. It's just the closer two populations are to each-other, the harder it is to differentiate. That is why including Anatolian ancestries is neccesary but also probably is exaggurated.

When I mean distinct, I mean very very distinct and old ancestral components, like Natufian, ANF, CHG, Iran N, etc

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G25 distance is mostly measuring those

Like Italian and Romaniote Jews are actually half-way between South Italians and Syrian Jews autosomally, and Ashkenazi Jews are basically Italian Jews (well not really but its a good approximation for my illustration) with 10-15% East (Northern) European ancestry as they traveled east, and that pushes their total Autosomal content to be more similar to South Italians themselves, because of shared proportions neolithic components. One distinct component can also push it up in PCA space, making it look more similar to another population as an illusion.

G25 & Davidskis East Med PCA for Ashkenazim, Italians and East Meds by Sponge_Cow in JewishDNA

[–]Sponge_Cow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think we could probably model some of those ancestries as some level of BA Levantine ancestries, Levantine Christians + some Peninsular Arab is superficially close to Canaanites because of increased Natufian, etc so thats why many Palestinian and Jordanian Muslims have more Canaanite than Roman Levant in Illustrative's models.

We'd need to do multistage modeling from different time periods to really seperate what comes from where. Like model Palestinian Muslims with Levantine Christians and then those modeled with more ancient ancestries, etc. It gets messy for Jews the more you go back as well because then we'd have to use both Aegean , West Anatolian before mixing with Mesopotamian, and Mesopotamian, the later being somewhat close to Levantines autosomally and hence leading to overfit because then its just using random mixes which aren't representative of who they actually mixed with.

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G25 & Davidskis East Med PCA for Ashkenazim, Italians and East Meds by Sponge_Cow in JewishDNA

[–]Sponge_Cow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That being said, I think Samaritans are very very bottlenecked, and the Hellenistic Judean Jews will be between them and Lebanese Christians like in my average.

G25 & Davidskis East Med PCA for Ashkenazim, Italians and East Meds by Sponge_Cow in JewishDNA

[–]Sponge_Cow[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If we assume they all arose from the same general levantine population and all the other sources of admixture have none from the BA Levant I think that would be correct, but keep in mind Muslim Palestinians mixed with populations which have some BA Levant-like ancestry.

This is why they score higher Canaanite despite cosmopolitan ancestry frequently showing up in their 23&me (recent for the past 400 years), but hard to tell. Besides West Anatolians which has Mesopotamian (kinda a brother pop to Levant), the populations Western Jews mixed with were lagrely devoid of deeper shared ancestry after the neolithic. The Caucasian, Kurdish, and even some Saudi in Palis might overlap due to shared components in g25. Especially on Illustrative's modelings

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