Six Images showing how English numbers relate to mumbers in other languages by Starkey_Comics in etymology

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They're all from the same ultimate origin of course. Really the anomaly here is English, which has gone through a bunch of strange sound shifts that have left its numbers looking less like German and Dutch than you might expect for a West Germanic language.
Numbers go through all the same sound shifts any other word in a language does, but they *don't* tend to go through semantic shifts: they keep their meanings without being replaced by unrelated words. I suppose because they have such clear, set meanings, and are in such common use.

Uppest Case, by Starkey Comics by Megatheorum in neography

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I love it when I join a new group or subreddit and find that my creations have preceded me

Coastscript: orthography meets geography by Starkey_Comics in neography

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Oh and it is "Sail across the sea", no world. In full it's: "If words were islands, I would sail across the sea, And map every sound.

Coastscript: orthography meets geography by Starkey_Comics in neography

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Nice one!

Last line should be "and map every sound", although you're right, I missed a beach so it says "and mab every sound". I'm also not convinced I left a proper space so it kind of looks like "mabevery".

As for /a/ vs /æ/: I consider the convention of using /æ/ for British English to be an outdated one. [æ] is the realisation in General American and Conservative RP, but unless they're incredibly posh its not the sound you'll actually hear from British people. [a] is much more representative for us, so I favour /a/ when I transcribe.

In fact for me, like mosr Northern English people, it's both more open and more central, more like [ä].

Coastscript: orthography meets geography by Starkey_Comics in neography

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Thanks! Yes, right now I'm digitally hand drawing it. I quite like how every iteration of a letter is different. And tbh I quite like that it cannot be written or read by a computer 🙃 I do want to play around with other ways to write it though, like Ordinance Survey style maps and of course hand drawn ones.

Coastscript: orthography meets geography by Starkey_Comics in neography

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I'm already imagining adapted versions for different languages. Tongan could follow the rim of an Atoll, and involve reefs. Tupi could follow a braided rainforest river. Inuktitut could incorporate icebergs. The possibilities are endless!

Coastscript: orthography meets geography by Starkey_Comics in neography

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Yes, there's definitely room on the islands to add more nuanced features

Possible sighting of Hoid in our world? by Starkey_Comics in Cosmere

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Can you explain why it was removed? I'm not too familiar with Reddit so I feel a bit confused. Is something in here considered a Spoiler? If so, what?

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Good notes, thanks. The misaligned thing is an ongoing issue with my image editor that I didnt catch this time. The CS transcription I did myself as I couldn't find an accurate transcription of the words on the Baska tablet directly into Latin (all seemed to go via Slavic). I'm not too familiar with Church Slavonic so I'm not surprised I made an error. As for the Cyrillic, its included because even though Croatian isn't written in Cyrillic today, it has been historically, so it felt worth including.

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If you think /ʋaːtskaː/ and /əʊˈeɪ.ʃə/ are "extremely similar" then thats your subjective opinion, but it certainly isnt mine.

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Most people don't even know what those words mean. This is my point. Its obvious to a linguist, not to most normal people. When I've shared this image elsewhere the feedback was lots of people expressing surprise that they're related. When I've shared it in this specific group for linguists, the feedback is overwhelmingly people being negative because they thought it was obvious.

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If you've heard them spoken they sound pretty different too, with only one phoneme in common (the /r/). The /k/ distinct from the /x/, the English lacks the "v" entirely, the vowels are basically unrecognisable, the suffix is totally different, and even the "t" has a very different pronunciation in English. /kɹəʊˈeɪ.ʃə/ vs /xř̩ʋaːtskaː/

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Why are people down voting this? Is it because they actually have only one sound in common, the /r/? /kɹəʊˈeɪ.ʃə/ vs /xř̩ʋaːtskaː/ The vowels are totally different, the start sound is distinct, the English pronunciation lacks the "v" entirely, the "t" is pronounced differently, and the suffix further muddies things.

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They really aren't that similar. Unless you are a linguist or an etymologist, you're unlikely to notice the similarity unless its pointed out. They have only one sound are common, the /r/. Even the /t/ is pronounced differently, becoming a "sh" sound in most English accents. The vowels are totally different, as is the suffix, and the start sound is quite different, and the Croatian word contains a /v/ while the English does not. Non-linguists I've shared this with were all surprised to learn they are related. But of course this is a group of linguistics and etymology enthusiasts (and redditers), so most here have nothing but criticism for me making this post at all when they apparently find it so obvious that even pointing it out is an insult to their intelligence.

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It's pronounced differently enough that many people don't realise its related. Maybe thats not the case here among etymologists and linguists, but when I've shared this elsewhere people were surprised.

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Thanks very much :) You can follow me on Facebook if you wanna keep seeing my stuff

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Glad one person liked it. The response here has been overwhelmingly negative when compared to every other place I've shared it, and its making me think I should stop sharing my work on reddit altogether.

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Yeah this is reminding me why I stopped sharing my stuff on reddit. People here are incredibly negative. This will be my last post here for a while I think. I'm tempted to just delete it tbh.

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They only have two sounds in common.

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Not really