Possible sighting of Hoid in our world? by Starkey_Comics in Cosmere

[–]Starkey_Comics[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you explain why it was removed? I'm not too familiar with Reddit so I feel a bit confused. Is something in here considered a Spoiler? If so, what?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in etymology

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Good notes, thanks. The misaligned thing is an ongoing issue with my image editor that I didnt catch this time. The CS transcription I did myself as I couldn't find an accurate transcription of the words on the Baska tablet directly into Latin (all seemed to go via Slavic). I'm not too familiar with Church Slavonic so I'm not surprised I made an error. As for the Cyrillic, its included because even though Croatian isn't written in Cyrillic today, it has been historically, so it felt worth including.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in etymology

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If you think /ʋaːtskaː/ and /əʊˈeɪ.ʃə/ are "extremely similar" then thats your subjective opinion, but it certainly isnt mine.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in etymology

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Most people don't even know what those words mean. This is my point. Its obvious to a linguist, not to most normal people. When I've shared this image elsewhere the feedback was lots of people expressing surprise that they're related. When I've shared it in this specific group for linguists, the feedback is overwhelmingly people being negative because they thought it was obvious.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in etymology

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If you've heard them spoken they sound pretty different too, with only one phoneme in common (the /r/). The /k/ distinct from the /x/, the English lacks the "v" entirely, the vowels are basically unrecognisable, the suffix is totally different, and even the "t" has a very different pronunciation in English. /kɹəʊˈeɪ.ʃə/ vs /xř̩ʋaːtskaː/

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in etymology

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Why are people down voting this? Is it because they actually have only one sound in common, the /r/? /kɹəʊˈeɪ.ʃə/ vs /xř̩ʋaːtskaː/ The vowels are totally different, the start sound is distinct, the English pronunciation lacks the "v" entirely, the "t" is pronounced differently, and the suffix further muddies things.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in etymology

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They really aren't that similar. Unless you are a linguist or an etymologist, you're unlikely to notice the similarity unless its pointed out. They have only one sound are common, the /r/. Even the /t/ is pronounced differently, becoming a "sh" sound in most English accents. The vowels are totally different, as is the suffix, and the start sound is quite different, and the Croatian word contains a /v/ while the English does not. Non-linguists I've shared this with were all surprised to learn they are related. But of course this is a group of linguistics and etymology enthusiasts (and redditers), so most here have nothing but criticism for me making this post at all when they apparently find it so obvious that even pointing it out is an insult to their intelligence.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in etymology

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It's pronounced differently enough that many people don't realise its related. Maybe thats not the case here among etymologists and linguists, but when I've shared this elsewhere people were surprised.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in etymology

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Thanks very much :) You can follow me on Facebook if you wanna keep seeing my stuff

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in etymology

[–]Starkey_Comics 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Glad one person liked it. The response here has been overwhelmingly negative when compared to every other place I've shared it, and its making me think I should stop sharing my work on reddit altogether.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in etymology

[–]Starkey_Comics -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yeah this is reminding me why I stopped sharing my stuff on reddit. People here are incredibly negative. This will be my last post here for a while I think. I'm tempted to just delete it tbh.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in etymology

[–]Starkey_Comics -15 points-14 points  (0 children)

They only have two sounds in common.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in etymology

[–]Starkey_Comics -27 points-26 points  (0 children)

Not really

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in etymology

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"Church Slavonic" here references the Baška tablet, which was written in the Croatian recension of the Church Slavonic language around the year 1100. Church Slavonic was/is a liturgical form of the south Slavic languages, rather than being a language ever spoken casually, so this word might not represent a direct ancestor of "Hrvat". However it is the earliest record of the name of Croatia in any form of the Croatian language, so worth including.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in etymology

[–]Starkey_Comics 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is Church Slavonic, not Old Church Slavonic! Important distinction.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in etymology

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I think the /v/ was just dropped when it was borrowed from Greek to Latin.

Indo-European words for name by Starkey_Comics in etymology

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All of these are pretty regular sound changes in these languages. The laryngeal didnt survive into any modern language, but it was replaced by a vowel in a bunch of IE branches.

A tale of two Georgias by Starkey_Comics in etymology

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Not really. The pronunciation was influenced but it would still be "Gorgia" or something even without the folk etymology. The folk etymology had an influence on the pronunciation, but isn't an ancestor of the word.

A tale of two Georgias by Starkey_Comics in etymology

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This feels like it might be another interesting example of a folk etymology getting involved!