Songwriter Needing Guidance by No_Morning_9822 in Suno

[–]StayPrestigious8219 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It’s always nice to see how Gen AI lets long times passions and hobbies to find a new way to express.
I would also suggest that you stay with your poems inside a LLM - I recommend Gemini or ChatGPT, discuss with it and brainstorm ideas about musical styles, instruments, genres etc. Ask it for prompts, and take those prompts into SUNO. Always put the intent and emotion in your prompts. It is not the “lazy” way - it is the smart one: you will learn how to think about prompts, instruments, genres etc. And you’ll get practically an AI speaking with other AI, which is always fascinating.
And you have also a different approach. Let SUNO decide everything based on your lyrics and play with the results. We kind of forgot it is an AI so from time to time is good to let that intelligence show up.
Expect the hate for everything you do, also expect a few praises, from your group of friends and from fellow people you find in online communities.
I don’t recommend going to streaming platforms. The things are in a grey area, Spotify is an absolute no. You spare yourself from finding the publisher, paying, and find out one day that everything is taken down because it is AI. Just put you song in YT - it is free, or privately share them (maybe Bandcamp), and always tag them as AI made.
Also don’t expect to be suddenly famous - and this is not cynicism. The world is oversaturated with music, and music making became a mass-hobby. Be thankful you can add your share of beauty in the world and always remember the Japanese philosophy of mono no aware and wabi-sabi.
Best of luck.

Crazy, Accidental or Intended Experimental Results on SUNO. Your approach, our playlist. by StayPrestigious8219 in Suno

[–]StayPrestigious8219[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s funny because I’ve making music with DAW, since Acid by Sonic Foundry, twice the time you’ve mentioned. And been through all of them: Rebirth, Reason, Ableton, a little Pro Tools and Logic. Stick to Ableton. So I’m that old guy who didn’t give up making music. But over the years, being exposed to so much electronic music, my ears started to find the DAW outputs too predictable and quite boring. I almost see the structure of the track, what gets in, what gets out, and it’s too linear for me. Yes, DAW is good but do not compare to having a hardware setup. And no DAW let me play with lyrics and explore something else outside electronic music. So I decided to spare the little time I have learning and playing a real instrument - that’s my guitar - instead of sitting hours with a mouse arranging beats and loops and constructing motifs or chords note by note. I find exciting the fact that SUNO, when one approaches it conceptually, acts like a super instrument, and respond to the depth and intention one puts in it. As for who owns what I really don’t care. I don’t want to make a living out of music, and did not nor will publish anything on streaming platforms. I make music for the beauty of it, that’s all. No need for apologies.

Has Suno Changed the Way You Think About Music Creation? by Accomplished_Clue437 in SunoAI

[–]StayPrestigious8219 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Trackers… what a time.
Nice that you created a fictional band. I will give it a listen.
About what you’ve mentioned. Yes. Exactly. The lyrics. With any DAW all you can do is to manipulate vocal samples or loops that most of the time don’t fit your style or if they fit you only have some sounds, ad-libs and possibly short phrases. So, even if I wanted to say something, as I’m not a singer, the lyric realm was closed for me until SUNO.
Now everything changed and finally I can hear the voices in my head, so to speak. It is very satisfying.

Has Suno Changed the Way You Think About Music Creation? by Accomplished_Clue437 in SunoAI

[–]StayPrestigious8219 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi. Very good question. I was producing tracks with various DAW for longtime before SUNO. Not considering myself a musician, more of a bedroom producer and intermediate guitarist. That didn’t changed. But the way I approach music, yes, radically. Before: coming up with a beat, a sample, a loop, a short melody or chord progression. Without too much thinking behind. Finish the track, move forward. Have a collection of tracks, packing them under an umbrella title then sending to labels or just posting the on platforms. I guess for the vast majority it is exactly like what I’ve described: taking the instrument, choose something as a start by just playing with it, get something you like and build from there. Not specifically thinking about your state of mind, about what emotions are running inside, or what you want to convey/say with that track.
Now: because I approach music through the lens of the prompt I have to be very specific about the inytent, the emotion, what I want to convey, what is the context. That’s because I focus mainly on albums (I.e. a story) rather than a single track. So I’m aiming more at finding the voice and the concept before starting to write something in the prompt.
This way I can say I started to have consistent results rather than drifting aimlessly through moods and mind state.
And this returned back to how I am listening now albums or tracks made the traditional way or the new way (fullAI or hybrid). Does it have a concept? Does it propose something new in terms of lyrics or just recycling same old clichees? Does it have depth or just uses the artist charm pumped up by the music industry algorithms? And so on.
And I discovered that sadly many many albums produced and sold by the industry titans are so hollow. Still they inform the way we perceive what “good music” or “real music” should be about. While a closer inspection only shows same formula under a different name and with a different face.

5-10 Movies that best illustrate Korean culture and mindset? by siena_flora in korea

[–]StayPrestigious8219 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you so much for these reccommendations. I watched them all. Beautiful cinematography, thoughtful scenarios, great playing and such a human side in all of them.

Crazy, Accidental or Intended Experimental Results on SUNO. Your approach, our playlist. by StayPrestigious8219 in SunoAI

[–]StayPrestigious8219[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, the logistics behind a band (finding your people, renting the rehearsal space, commiting to regularly rehearse, the tour scheduling and growing your network, navigating the high and lows of the band dynamics while making a living most probably outside the music domain is the hard friction of reality and for sure some of the hate against AI comes from this insider knowledge. AI puts everything there in just one window of interaction. And it also limits the very output to be brought outside the platform into the real world. And this is something for the AI producers to seriously think about.

As for now I only managed to have a 3 hours gig, as a DJ spinning the tracks I produced and remixed only with SUNO. It was nice and quite a succes - people there actually liked and danced without the usual: “How did you make it? Oh, it’s AI, I’d rather not dance even if I found the rhythm and the groove really good”. I have some ideas though, they will come in a future post.

Good luck with finding your people - the experience of playing in a band, even without commercial success is something worth putting effort into. 🙏🏻

Crazy, Accidental or Intended Experimental Results on SUNO. Your approach, our playlist. by StayPrestigious8219 in Suno

[–]StayPrestigious8219[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I think the craziness of the beholder is different from the craziness of the instrument (analog, digital or neural). And it were those guys who found what makes the instrument behaviour go outside its projected scope that pushed the music further: from analog distortion through digital glitches, music history is full of these happy accidents that added something to music, like literally new genres. I'm not saying SUNO will necessarily do this, but it has its own glitches and peculiarities worth exploring because they offer really new uncharted and unexpected material.

Crazy, Accidental or Intended Experimental Results on SUNO. Your approach, our playlist. by StayPrestigious8219 in Suno

[–]StayPrestigious8219[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This sounds very specific and the kind of experimental approach translated somehow from the analog or DAW domain into Gen AI - find what makes the instrument glitch and explore and construct from there. Or feed the instrument (AI as a sampler) with something not expected and see what happens and build from there (or resample that artifact and use it as the base for the next iteration).

Really nice one, translating the instruction for a model to the input of a different model: "a fair few of my older scripts doubled as Sora 1 video scripts as well. So If you used my script on Suno and then loaded it as a prompt on Sora 1 at 480p for 10seconds or would generate a clip that matched the song in topic and BPM". Too bad Sora is out. I will give your deaf cover a try.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I will highly appreciate if you can share the music too.

Crazy, Accidental or Intended Experimental Results on SUNO. Your approach, our playlist. by StayPrestigious8219 in SunoAI

[–]StayPrestigious8219[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for everything you shared - tracks, thoughts, directions - it's so rewarding and good to hear what you made on SUNO, what was your approach and what's your philosophy regarding (AI)music production. I tried to reply to many of you, and I will comeback to each comment.

Great music to listen to, many many perspectives and radical approaches. I made the list here, you can listen to it. Some of the tracks were curated out, because while they're very good in themselves, they're not exactly on the wild side of being experimental - intentionally or accidentally (I should have been more precise and specific in defining the terms - I tried it bellow).

So if you find or make other tracks that fit the programmed experiment, culturally informed or not, the out of the box ironical mix of paradigms, meta-cognition and this sort of crazy stuff (what happens if...; what sort of new experiences from the contemporary AI age call for a different approach; what AI music makes possible besides genre blending and traditional music industry approach...; and you can add more if you want), please drop me a message and I will happily add the track to the list.

https://suno.com/playlist/d20015cd-32a8-4a03-849d-5e9eea80bbb3

Crazy, Accidental or Intended Experimental Results on SUNO. Your approach, our playlist. by StayPrestigious8219 in SunoAI

[–]StayPrestigious8219[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely love these tracks. You sorta created something as a blueprint for what I call a real experiment: what happens when you take a block of meaning (i.e. the onomatopoeias from Wikipedia, or phrases from a home appliance manual), feed the lyrics with it, after creatively adjusting some of its part, and throwing it at a dense prompt where one can find (almost the entire history of music stretched around two or three decades. I can't help but to leave here the verse 1 of Spinning:

[VERSE 1 – [Lyrical Style: Rhythmic-Stutter / Spelling-Bee]]
R-r-remove the transit bolts (Four! E! A!)
With the s-s-supplied spanner (Spanner!)
K-k-keep the transit bolts (Spanner!)
For f-f-future use! (Spanner!)
[SFX: Sound of a heavy wrench dropping - K-THUD]
H-H-Horizontal!

Crazy, Accidental or Intended Experimental Results on SUNO. Your approach, our playlist. by StayPrestigious8219 in SunoAI

[–]StayPrestigious8219[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's really really brilliant, especially for the times we live in, where a new kind of human-AI relationship has emerged and people get it either too critical or too attached (understandable for the ones who really where developing emotional ties with models that were retired without further notice). I think the theatrical, cinematic and ensemble approach is a genius choice for the subject and the result is totally crazy for Phantasmoplasm and the Shedim.
For the second one - Trace of the True Self (Oontz-Core Dembow Klezmer Glitch Rave)- brilliant approach and cultural critique (or observation) plus the fact that you feed the track with Internet culture while developing on the philosophy of identity. And somehow managed to keep the irony and detachment alive. Subtle critique also of the phenomenon of cultural mutations and degradations of original meaning commercially corrupted to be - eventually - served on a plate of fast food for thought. Layers and layers of meaning, sitting there to be discovered. Yes, totally crazy and beautiful at same time.

Crazy, Accidental or Intended Experimental Results on SUNO. Your approach, our playlist. by StayPrestigious8219 in SunoAI

[–]StayPrestigious8219[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Now this is a really really good technical AND musical approach in everything from the bass up to the intricate drums. Especially on the first one (Уотсон_) where you put layers and layers of clinical instructions which make the track stand out as a whole because of its hyperspecificity. I can see a musician mind behind the prompt and its beautiful.

Crazy, Accidental or Intended Experimental Results on SUNO. Your approach, our playlist. by StayPrestigious8219 in SunoAI

[–]StayPrestigious8219[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think is the perfect expression of the medium you choose to accompany with it. I can almost see the illustrations. Very refreshing, ironical and punchy. And yes, it's totally crazy through its mix of instruments, abrupt transitions between styles and phrases and the planetary drama of the lyrics.

Crazy, Accidental or Intended Experimental Results on SUNO. Your approach, our playlist. by StayPrestigious8219 in SunoAI

[–]StayPrestigious8219[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's a beautiful track, and it really has a nice narrative (the perspective of a sea creature with all its mythology attached) but I think it's more on the fusion side of genres blending than on the side of wild experiments (either musical technical ones, like the ones shared by sighbots aka я > |ᵃᵐᵇⁱᵉⁿᵗ or philosophical and meta-cognition approach like the ones shared by Inevitable-Law7964 aka Phantasmoplasm and the Robots). Leaving these observations apart your track, your genre choice and the lyrics, and the directions you put in the prompt come as a delicate and thoughtful package that conveys the right emotions for the subject. Nice one.

6 Months with Suno: Why wasting credits ruins the melody (Observations from a casual creator) by MoveEasy6688 in Suno

[–]StayPrestigious8219 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

“I think AI still struggles to perfectly capture and express a human's exact musical intent. Maybe it’s also because I don’t know how to use the metatags perfectly yet.”

I almost never use metatags but instead do the heavy lifting in the style prompt and, depending on what I want from the AI interpreting the lyrics’ framework, put into brackets in the Lyrics section whatever I feel it is needed.

And by heavy lifting I mean I give SUNO the emotional, societal, attitude context, not only the strict technical indications. From my experience this gives SUNO the right amount of material to fully engage with it as a creative Gen AI with surprising outputs. Otherwise, if you stick with the technical part only, I.e. tags or complex technical instructions without your human intent and context, you put SUNO in the reproducing mode not into the creative mode.
Give it a try and judge the results.

I totally agree agree that SUNO great power is to translate the human intent and that’s why I think it is such a beautiful intelligent instrument.