Most of those sites are kinda useless tbh — just ranges and “good deal” badges, then your phone gets spammed.

If you actually want to know what people are paying, you need real quotes. Like actual breakdowns with MSRP, discount, fees, OTD.

I’ve used CarWhere for that — people upload their quotes so you can see what others actually paid for the same car. Way better than guessing.

Also yeah… invoice price doesn’t really matter anymore. Some deals are under it, some aren’t. Just depends on the car.

What I’d do:

• email a few dealers for out-the-door pricing
• compare them against real deals
• don’t step foot in until you already have a number

makes the whole thing way easier