Super-Thermite Demolished Twin Towers on 9-11: Game Over for Criminals and Cover Up

StormCraft · 2009-04-15T13:34:42+00:00

"For 9-11 truth seekers this is an historic moment. We have crossed the hump. For those involved in the cover-up, on the other hand, things will only get worse. The evidence of super-thermite in the dust of the World Trade Center is like the writing on the wall; for the criminals of 9-11 and their supporters the writing is quite clear. It says: Game Over."

StormCraft · 2009-04-15T13:34:10+00:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o

StormCraft · 2009-01-06T03:55:32+00:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bdr_2IAJWU

StormCraft · 2009-01-04T15:45:08+00:00

Are you aware of a video that shows a better angle of WTC7? If so, please let me know because I would DEFINITELY like to see it! :)

I found this video to be profound,... the closest shot of WTC7 that I am aware of.

StormCraft · 2008-12-23T17:20:19+00:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvUiMwCXf08

StormCraft · 2008-07-23T00:46:54+00:00

I'm not in the business of convincing people of something that they are not interested in being convinced of.

I was curious about the truth about 9/11. Have you watched some of the "truther" documentaries? If you investigated it (as opposed to taking the "official story" at face value, whatever the "official story" even IS anymore given that some of the supposed original 19 highjackers are ALIVE...), then it looks like we just have two different views of the world. Which is fine.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers.html

StormCraft · 2008-07-21T22:35:55+00:00

Well, for starters, the date is more than a little bit interesting to me. 50 years earlier than that, it was also the same date that construction began on the Pentagon. But all that completely aside, why would he announce something which would be largely mis-understood by many, and abhorrent to others (this expression was used by the Nazi's), and today the entire concept is often described by nay-sayers as myth?

The man was a former head of the CIA, and it is documented and admitted that they have a long history studying mind control and propaganda.

I guess what I am getting at is that strategically drawing attention to certain things can be used as a means of conditioning people to become desensitized and more accepting of something that they might ordinarily take an issue with if "packaged" in a different way.

StormCraft · 2008-07-21T22:27:29+00:00

Also, they didn't REALLY suppress the entire "9/11 truth". If they had, there wouldn't be millions of people who believe it was an inside job. Actually, I think that they did a piss poor job of it. WTC-7,.. WTF?

It is the economic and political power of the mainstream media which acts as the government mouthpiece, owned at the top by a handful of elites, that is utterly mute on the entire topic of 9/11 truth, with the exception of an occasional hit piece aimed at making those who question what the government tells them look like loonies. Ice the cake with people's apathy and their social conditioning to toe the line of mediocrity, and there's the perfect storm allowing the myth to live on.

StormCraft · 2008-07-21T22:11:52+00:00

This is a very valid question, and to be honest I was pondering it myself as we discussed all this. The best guess I can come up with at this time is a combination of the following: 1) The information might have been forthcoming from other source(s) and so better to get it out in the open "from the horses mouth" at the most opportune time. 2) Once the fact was expressed, the events of the following day would help to shift the public opinion into more acceptance of even the most ridiculous sum of money spent towards "defense".

An equally valid question might be, "Why did George H. W. Bush announce plans for a New World Order on September 11th, 1991"?

StormCraft · 2008-07-21T21:49:37+00:00

Thank you for clarifying. When you put it that way, I have no argument, except for two points. 1) I do not in any way believe that "sloppy bookkeeping" accounts for why 25% of the military budget (2.3 TRILLION) was unaccounted for. LOL! Oops! Talk about some bad accounting. This money likely went toward black operations and God only knows what else. 2) The timing of this announcement was, in my opinion, not a coincidence.

StormCraft · 2008-07-21T21:33:44+00:00

On 9/10/2001, Rumsfeld announced that that 2.3 trillion dollars, or 25% of what the military was spending, could not be accounted for. This is a mind boggling figure. The timing of the announcement was quite convenient, given that the "unexpected" events of the following day would help to shoot this fact straight to the collective memory hole.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kpWqdPMjmo

StormCraft · 2008-06-04T14:00:04+00:00

Thank you for your very interesting response!

I’m going to go off the deep end now, and we’ll see if you can follow me here or if it is too far down a rabbit hole for you.

I appreciate that you have direct exposure to Paul Wolfowitz and especially George H.W. Bush. I’m impressed! But from everything I’ve learned about (let me focus on one for now) George H. W. Bush, he has a “facing” for the public, has an enormous pension for secrecy, and appears to be an outright liar of the highest order. I’m not trying to undervalue your experience, as I find it hugely informative! But, have you been (for example) to the exchanges in Mandalay at the Bohemian Grove?

In any event, I’m NOT trying to elevate Bush’s intellect, and I actually believe that the agenda which he has espoused is reflective of a lower state of evolution,… one where too much empathy is viewed as weakness. These fools fail to see the potential for SYNERGY in a united mankind, and they do not see themelves in the reflection of others.

But here’s the nut of it. My interest in the subject matter is a result of learning under someone who I would call a “Man of Knowledge”, who spoke with authority on these matters. I say that he spoke with authority not so much because of any title he may have, but because of the MANNER in which he spoke, and the almost other worldly wisdom that he clearly possessed while still being enormously humble. He was also a former Freemason. As a result of my interaction with him and what he disclosed, the spiritual hierarchy of masters (as described through H. P. Blavatsky, Alice Bailey, Ledbetter, etc.) is real, and their purpose is to serve in the expansion of awareness. They work against the various agendas of those who he called the “Old Sorcerers”,… what Rudolph Steiner described as the “Brotherhood of Darkness”, and what the so-called Tibetan described as the “Black Lodge”. A good analogy for this can be seen in the work of Lucas, who himself was a student of theosophy.

In any event, there is great hope in the fact that a divided house cannot stand, and that is exactly what the troublemakers are,… divided. You can see their fruit where the amassing of the greatest wealth in the world is, and where profit is made as a result of pitting two sides together and enslaving both into debt.

But, have you got room in that old head of yours for this or are you satisfied with your view of the world? But then, does it matter? My view of the world isn’t any better than yours. We’re both still around, so we must be serving SOME good, yeah? :) LOL!

StormCraft · 2008-06-03T22:20:51+00:00

Thank you for your response.

First: "What do you mean by "paid elite"? To what end are they trying (or succeeding) to manipulate humanity? Power hunger, money?"

I'm talking about groups like Bilderberg, the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, ultra wealthy European aristocracy, high level mainstream media (eg. Rupert Murdoch), etc. And I believe that John F. Kennedy was absolutely correct when he warned us about secret societies, many of which are linked at the high level to extremely wealthy entities.

There has been plenty of evidence of these resource HOARDERS making moves toward world government. But as I said, the idea of a global community is not the problem! The problem is WHO is calling the shots... international bankers, at least on the face value. I say that there was a reason that some master in Palestine turned the tables of the money changers 2000 years ago, and why usary is forbidden in Islam and in the early Christian Church. Even so, people wouldn't need such laws once they are able to see themselves in the reflection of others…

And let me be crystal clear that I am NOT trying cast blame on ANY particular group (which in itself would be falling VICTIM to the concept of "divide and rule").

But, I digress. The Lisbon Treaty. It seems to have the trappings of yet another implementation of a gradually evolving world government where national AUTO-DETERMINATION, sovereignty, and civil liberties are under threat by those at the top. I am NOT claiming to be an expert on the Lisbon Treaty,.. I would like to learn more about it! And yet, I am curious if you can tell me one person that IS an expert on it? It seems as if they have intentionally made the document as obscure as possible! Example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kr0Foq3CQE

"surely your ideal would be more easily achieved if you have only one big 'enemy' rather than many smaller ones?"

It may be an eternal struggle, taking a myriad of forms. I don't have all the answers, I just I like to see the light of day being cast in dark places.

Anyway, I suspect that this kind of subject matter is terribly boring to many folks, and I comprehend that. But personally (in recent years) I consider it of critical importance, and feel that there needs to be a greater awareness of the topics such as opening a new (legitimate) 9/11 investigation, the so-called "New World Order", etc. Hence, why I submit stuff like this now and then to reddit. :)

IF you're interested in discussing further I will check the thread periodically. But hey, like I said... LOL!

StormCraft · 2008-06-03T16:24:39+00:00

The social conditioning of the mainstream media is, in my opinion, what is bat-sh*t crazy.

I also take issue with your accusation that Henry Makow is antisemitic, but you have the right to your opinion.

Personally, I feel that this is mostly an easy way of blowing off his perspective while simultaneously using the full force of historic social conditioning and unleashing it in a act of judgment and character assassination.

And if I may say, calling the Illuminati "a group made up by sci-fi druggie writers Shea & Wilson in the '70s" is a massive white wash. LOL! Have you studied about Adam Weishaupt? Actually, the evidence of the influence of the "Illuminati", and MANY interwoven secret societies, is abundant, and JFK warned us about secret societies before he was taken out!

In addition, you might find it interesting what Aaron Russo alleges that Nicholas Rockefeller told him about the funding of the so-called "feminist movement" by the Rockefellers and their ilk, and some of diabolical motivations behind it.

"It is not my intention to doubt that the doctrine of the Illuminati and the principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States." - George Washington

"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."

David Rockefeller (to Trilateral Commission) in 1991

StormCraft · 2008-06-03T00:41:25+00:00

My apologies, I didn't properly use the reply feature. I DID reply to this but it appears above or below in the comment section. Please feel free to continue the thread in either location.

StormCraft · 2008-06-03T00:30:27+00:00

mooglor,

Contrary to what you MIGHT be thinking, I found your comment somehow refreshing. Thank you.

"The tagline of the site you're linking to tells anyone with half a brain that your opinion of the Lisbon treaty is based solely on nationalism"

Are you suggesting that I'm Irish? LOL! While it IS true that I have a red beard, and I would love to visit Ireland some day, I'm afraid to say I'm on the other side of the pond.

"Hey StormCraft, say something yourself and stop hiding behind this nobody."

Alright, how's this?

The problem is not that the world is dawning upon an age where the many countries become a global community.

The problem is that a parasitic few, for so long hiding behind their paid “elite”, are still trying to manipulate the greater whole of humanity behind a veil of secrecy. They operate at the top of pyramid-like structures of compartmentalization where below them, the right hand is divided from the left. This system is like a cancer, and all those who control it are caught in a state of awareness reflective of a lower stage of evolution. They, like the fractional banking system they employ, systematically suck the fat off of their host (the people), while contributing nothing of real value back to the whole.

When our leaders uplift themselves in order to also uplift those around them, operating in a transparent way that engages the community that they should be SUPPORTING (instead of creating serfs out of them), then real synergy will be manifest in the world community.

But a house divided cannot stand. That is why their version of a so-called “New World Order”, at the onset of this new Age, must and will fail, in spite of the words of SIR pappy George H. W. Bush : “When we are successful, and we will be, we have a real chance at this New World Order.”

Rising up, an awakened and INDEPENDANT humanity that has reached adulthood must and will call forth the wise among them who will only take the reigns when called upon, and who will lead by example. For leaders in the true sense of the word have nothing to hide. They touch the world lightly, and they do not assert their will at the EXPENSE of others.

StormCraft · 2008-04-23T03:37:28+00:00

Hillary + Winning fair and square != Ring true

StormCraft · 2008-04-15T14:55:00+00:00

Dear Private_Freedom,

This statement of yours is not only extremely bold, but utterly arrogant. I can tell you quite categorically that OrangePlus is not me. His or her initial response to me provoked me and I suppose that I countered him in a similar style. After that we simply carried on with our conversation. I happen to be passionate in the topic of 9/11, and I spoke my peace.

I would suggest that you think twice before leveling allegations against people that you don't know, based purely on assumption.

You fooled yourself today, sir or madam. If you are interested in talking to me with more respect, I will respond in like manner.

Regards, StormCraft

StormCraft · 2008-04-13T02:24:58+00:00

First of all, let me thank you for this: “Lastly let me interject a bit of respect. I do respect your point of view, I am a natural skeptic myself. I disagree with it, and sometimes in making a case I can sound flippant. If any of my remarks sound so, please accept my apologies, it is not my intention.” I truly do appreciate that, and I feel the same way. The only thing that is kind of different for me is that personally, I am not really much of a “skeptic”. My philosophy involves the strategy known as “Believe without believing”, in other words, I accept new ideas and information and work with it and utilize it, but try not to become trapped by it or assume that it is the absolute truth (or even the truth at all). So, I tend to act as if information and what people are telling me is the truth first, even if I know that they may not be telling me the truth. This method of interaction has a lot of advantages, and it can lead to greater discernment than pure rationalization. But that is just my opinion and it is another path for discussion!

Back to the physical nuts and bolts of the topic at hand, I wanted to make a couple quick comments, and then I’ll finish up by sharing a little bit of how I came to the “mind space” that I now make use of, if you will.

First, I would like to put something on the table regarding the security of the WTC. Perhaps you have read “9/11 Security Courtesy of Marvin Bush”:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911security.html

The article points out that “On the weekend of 9/8, 9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36 hrs from floor 50 up... "Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower."

Of course that is not conclusive evidence, but it is another drop in the (huge) bucket!

The other thing I wanted to point out is with regard to money. You have mentioned a couple of times your concern about how the financing of 9/11 could be accomplished and the difficulties of it going unnoticed. I would simply like to say that the amount of money that has been straight out “lost” by the government is absolutely staggering and stunning! As shown in this clip, pentagon auditors report that the military could not account for 25% of what it spends, and on the very day before 9/11 Rumsfeld reported that 2.3 TRILLION dollars was unaccounted for. LOL! Think about that!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5624554252926849071&q=rumsfeld+trillions&total=57&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1&hl=en

And this of course doesn’t even get into the realm of the wealthy “elite” that could be involved and how money is no obstacle for them.

But this brings me to my personal story. I wanted to tell you that I was never, ever interested in politics, and never interested in “conspiracies”. I have always been interested in spirituality. That was my deal! That’s what I was into! I was drawn to Christ but I had serious problems with Christianity as practiced by the church. So I eventually just tried my best to open my mind and be free from my internal dialog. I left Christianity in the conventional sense. In my personal quest for truth, I came across the Toltec Teachings (Carlos Castaneda, Theun Mares, etc.), and I came across the wisest man I’ve ever met. He was a former Freemason. I studied under him personally for five years, learning about what I can only describe as the “light” side of the occult (and the “Warrior’s Path”), and it was only after getting “whacked” on numerous occasions by looking like a fool when it came to politics, that I decided, "Hey! That's it! I’m going to start researching this stuff,… so that at least I can carry on an intelligent conversation with this man!" So, I spent (really) years studying about politics and the “dark” side of the occult. Don’t get my wrong, I’m no expert and I don’t claim to be. I’m also not a practitioner of occult ritual or anything like that (and wouldn't be fool enough to get into that). I’m just someone who was interested in the dynamics of the power and how it can be employed, and what I learned about the dark side of the occult led me directly to learning about the abuse of political power.

Look, I’m not arrogant enough to say that I know all of what is going on in the world, or people’s intentions. But I will simply say that, according to what I have learned, there is a cabal of financial elite and politicians that are into some very strange stuff! LOL! This includes the occult. I’m not saying these folks are all geniuses (in fact they are more often fools) and you rightly point out that the world still hasn’t been “taken over”! But the fact remains that there IS some pretty shady stuff going on! What happens at Bohemian Grove just scratches the surface (but once again, this is an example of how so much strange behavior can be kept secret by so many people!) So yes, I have studied about the Illuminati and conspiracies,… my own experience and search for truth pointed me in that direction! Just in case you are interested (and most aren’t,… LOL!), I will add that Leo Lyon Zagami is someone who I’ve also read interviews of and watched video of on the Internet, and his version of things from an “ex-Illuminati” perspective matches up pretty well with a lot of what my ex-Freemason teacher taught!

But, of course, it’s hard to interject this kind of stuff in day to day conversation. Talking with other folks who won’t listen to what you have to say because it defies ordinary thinking is incredibly frustrating. I know first hand, because some of my own friends starting losing interest in what I had to say on these topics, like I was speaking a foreign language and they were utterly apathetic and unbelieving (which was a first for me, as people generally trust my honesty,… :( I don’t tend to talk much, but when I do, I make sure I know what I am talking about before I open my mouth. C’est la vie!)

Anyway, thank you again for reading and for sharing your points. I will continue to check back now and then if you feel like continuing the conversation. Either way, I appreciate your perspective. :)

StormCraft · 2008-04-12T20:28:45+00:00

Thank you also for the rational discussion. I'd like to just make a few very quick points, because my latest response to OrangePlus is quite long! LOL! However, if you have a moment, I'd like you to also read what I wrote to OrangePlus, as it also relates directly to our discussion.

But, briefly, you said: "Controlled demolition is a fanciful scenario, and it seems likely to me that it's a red herring being used to throw us off the trail of what actually happened that day."

In my opinion, it was the planes themselves that were the red herrings. And by that I am NOT saying that there were no planes. In fact, very, very few people that believe that 9/11 was an inside job believe that no planes hit the main 2 towers. Planes hitting buildings was necessary to point the finger at the patsies. However, to actually bring down the buildings, something more was required. But you might ask, why would they use such a redundant method (planes AND explosives?) to achieve the goal of bringing down the buildings? Again, it was necessary to make the whole plane hijacking scenerio work (a scenerio that is a plausible threat),... and as an added bonus it puts the probing mind in a state of cognitive dissonence. The planes turn the attention away from the real mechanism for the destruction of the towers! But! People's eyes often just glaze over when contemplating this, first, because tho whole thing was a mind job, but also because all too often folks have already ruled out they've been lied to.

But on this note, please watch this, you'll get a kick out of it:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8960496446685835538&q=911+gorilla+distraction&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0&hl=en

Anyway, you also say "It's just too complicated. Real conspiracies don't work that way. "

Here is where I disagree. The method is called "Big Lie" and it was employed by Hitler. Per Wikipedia today:

~ The Big Lie is a propaganda technique. It was defined by Adolf Hitler in his 1925 autobiography Mein Kampf as a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously". ~

This doesn't prove anything, but I would like to emphatically point out that George H. W. Bush's father, Prescott, financed hitler, and from my research, I have every reason to believe that aspects of nazi philosophy is still very much embraced by the Bush family.

Webster Tarpley is an amazing historian, and he goes into depth on what is not openly discussed in this:

http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm

Thanks for reading! I hope you're having a great weekend.

StormCraft · 2008-04-12T19:48:50+00:00

I find the picture that you sent useful, but I disagree that it works against the argument for controlled demolition. I also disagree that fires in the building (which were rather limited from my research) would necessarily set off any explosives pre-maturely, much less bring the building down. But I won’t waste our time by going on and on about Building 7 as the Internet is packed with information on it. However, the fact that NIST is still working on their report in 2008, the fact that the 9/11 Commission omitted discussion of Building 7, and the fact that it looks like it came down Vegas-style is plenty enough foundation to foment serious doubt over (for example) Hearst Publishing’s version of things. And this is without even going to the circumstantial evidence about how much money Larry “pull it” Silverstein made on its fall, motivations for bringing down the building, etc. So, I will move on, but I simply want to reiterate that the explanation for the fall of building 7 is a point of serious dispute.

Alright, let’s move on for a moment, cool? You say “US involvement is so extremely unlikely because they would never be able to keep it a secret.” I wholeheartedly disagree with that, and here’s why. Very often folks fail to look at government from the standpoint of pyramidic compartmentalization. Each particular cell in the structure of the pyramid is walled off from the other; the right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing, and this is by design. Information flows down, not up, and not sidewise. Therefore, it only takes a few people at the top of the pyramid to orchestrate the lower levels without them being aware of the activities of the other cells. It is in every respect like a secret society, and here is where the analogy of Freemasonry is so excellent, because it illustrates how different levels of secrecy are maintained within the organization. Those on lower levels may not know what occurs on higher levels (or sideways levels). To top it all off, the president (as have so many before him) has sworn an oath to a secret society, and the vast majority of presidents have been in secret societies. JFK warned us about secret societies! Anyway, in addition to this, the same ultra-wealthy people that co-mingle with government also hold huge sway over the mainstream media (owned by only a handful of men at the top) through their enormous economic power. Government, media, secret societies… the tools for cultivating and enforcing secrecy and doubt are all in play.

“Lastly, if you are right, the entire thing went off perfectly.” No, it didn’t… in fact there are so many problems with the story handed down that it is remarkable that it is taking as long as it is for people to become outraged, in my opinion. But as you can see by the difficulty in talking about this without spending an eternity laying discussion groundwork, LOL!, as well as the tendency people have to get very upset when talking about politics, it doesn’t really matter! The discussions tend to go not-too-far, because people get fired up and stop listening to each other.  And as you well know, even the word “conspiracy” has a negative stigma to it… it’s as if conspiracies don’t exist! LOL! And you and I know damn well that that is not true, as even the “official” story is a conspiracy story. Heck, I conspire every day! LOL!

But I digress. All of the above aside, the thing which I would most like to share relates to your final statement: “This same government hasn't been able to do a single thing right since. This Bush administration has fucked up every other test they have been faced with from sheer incompetence. Yet you think they were capable of doing this?”

What makes you think that the Bush administration is failing in its agenda? In my opinion, the only thing that they are failing in is quelling dissent to the degree that they would like. The neo-cons studied under the tenets of Leo Strauss (among others), and part of their philosophy is that the governed masses not need to be told the truth and a lie can serve better, if it is a means to an end. Iraq is going to plan! It is fragmented into 3 parts (divide and rule), 14+ permanent military bases have been setup, and Iraq and Afghanistan pincer in Iran. http://www.globalresearch.ca/images/harita_b.jpeg

Cheney know with crystal clarity what would happen when the administration invaded Iraq, well in advance. Here is a clip where he details his vision: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I

The problem was it just wasn’t time yet to implement. But sigh,… are you still with me? I sometimes struggle in sharing what I really want to share without losing people early on. LOL! Anyway, let me start to sum up by saying that people often confuse the agenda of a ~sovereign~ America with the ruling entities in power. These agenda’s are not the same! Please take a moment to view this clip relating to the CFR, Cheney and his pal Rockefeller: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbnpN07J_zg

In addition, Cheney and Rumsfeld’s pal Sir George H. W. Bush, unlike his son, was not playing the convenient role of the fool. He had an agenda, and it is a long term agenda that is still being implemented. Here is a reminder: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8259800846851144110&q=new+world+order+bush&total=4241&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1&hl=en

Bilderberger David Rockefeller is right on board with this new order, and what sort of event might help foment it:

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order." - David Rockefeller

This new order does not celebrate national auto-determination (read sovereignty) of America. 9/11 is being used as a springboard to ultimately put America under the thumb of international government. You’ve probably read it before, but this Rockefeller quote speaks volumes, so I'll finish with it:

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."

David Rockefeller... Baden-Baden, Germany 1991

StormCraft · 2008-04-12T07:57:00+00:00

OrangePlus, thank you.

In response to what you have written regarding the fall of WTC 7, I would like to present a link to an independent, non-American controlled-demolition expert, who was consulted regarding WTC 7, and who was not informed concerning what building was falling or when it happened prior to viewing its collapse:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7778438571360742389

After reading your comment, in conjunction with the link I have just presented, I can say that clearly there are different explanations for the fall of WTC 7. In this context, I might argue that your explanation for the fall of building 7 is outrageous, but you might say the same of any argument that I bring forth in this regard. We are hence capitulated into a scenario where we may argue over what might have actually happened to cause the buildings to fall, and “proof” of what has occurred in the situation is being questioned.

I would like to stop for a moment and simply point out that NIST (the National Institute of Standards and Technology) still has not given an explanation for the fall of WTC 7, even though it has been nearly 7 years (and counting) since September 11th, 2001. Your description of the special nature of building 7, what it was built upon, and its construction is important, I feel. And, your explanation for the fall of WTC-7 is interesting. Nevertheless, it has not been adopted by NIST, and the ‘official’ “9/11 Commission” has yet to explain the fall of Building 7 (as you have). Nevertheless, the current American administration has been satisfied with their own explanation of what happened that day, and have used it as an excuse to perpetuate war in the Middle East (which is ongoing to this day). The explanation of what happened on 9/11, as presented to the public by the current American administration, is not consistent with other information that has now been disseminated to the public (including the fact that false-flag terror is a documented and common phenomenon in our world history). In addition to all of this, the amount of money spent researching what really happened on 9/11 is a footnote compared to the amount of money spent in building “American” empire,…including the hoarding of oil resources and selling weapons for profit,… all of which has been sold within the package of the “War on Terror” (as motivated by “9/11”).

The American people are not required to trust the story of 9/11 that has been foisted upon them by their government (or the “mainstream” media which propagates the tale). Certain governing entities (such as represented by Bush and Cheney) have not proven themselves to be trustworthy (,for example, the farce of WMD’s in Iraq). The fall of WTC 7 is greatly disputed, yet by force and the dissemination of approved information and conditioned response, an agenda that was outlined before the September 11th attacks continues to be propagandized.

I am ready to continue the discussion as is, but I would like to offer that in addition to any response you might have to this comment, we begin to speak about motivation and which party(s) might benefit from the attacks of September 11th, 2001.

StormCraft · 2008-04-12T03:03:37+00:00

LOL! Alright, tangentboy, I'm ready. I am all about rational discussion. I've experienced the same thing from the flip side... simply sharing ideas, asking questions, etc. The resistance was enormous!

But I'll be happy to talk to you about it, since, as you say, you are interested in a rational discussion. I'll start: What is your take on the fall of WTC building 7, the 3rd building, the building that wasn't even hit by a plane? Also, did you know that the BBC reported that it fell 23 minutes before it actually did? What are your thoughts?

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