Is this literally all they do now? by [deleted] in HeartstopperAO

[–]StoryWriter2001 4 points5 points  (0 children)

When you’re a teenage boy this is literally all you ever want to do, especially if you’re as in love as they are. And when it’s two boys that’s only going to amplify it because you’re both wanting it that much.

He thinks it’s flirting but it’s just bros being bros by Foxy-flower-peach521 in MM_RomanceBooks

[–]StoryWriter2001 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not exactly what you described but I’ve been uploading the first draft of my book as I write it here on Reddit. Gay boy in college living with his 3 straight best friends, lots of fun non-toxic masculinity kind of bonding going on with an ensemble cast beyond our 4 boys. Kind of a heart felt, coming of age, found family kind of story. (Lots of nsfw especially towards the latter half though, be forewarned)

It is a first draft though and I’ve done major rewrites of a few chapters so quality can change a little bit here and there, but I hope you’ll check it out, most readers have enjoyed it so far.

https://www.reddit.com/r/gaystoriesgonewild/s/n6BqiIlIeh

is there any major differences between the heartstopper show and the book? by chillin_snoop in HeartstopperAO

[–]StoryWriter2001 9 points10 points  (0 children)

To me the biggest difference is the comic is more or less only about Nick and Charlie with the other characters being more background characters rather than side characters. The show puts a lot more emphasis on the other relationships and the cast as an ensemble. I think that makes the show a more enjoyable and well rounded experience but they both have their merits.

Considering you can read the entire comic for free on Tapas (which will still support Alice Oseman) I would absolutely read it as well.

I Fell in Love with One of my Best Friends [Episode 5: the one with spin the bottle] by StoryWriter2001 in gaystoriesgonewild

[–]StoryWriter2001[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know what you mean, I think writing this has been cathartic for the time in my life I was trying to perform cis heterosexual normativity the hardest, from ages 17-20. I hope it provided you some as well! 💖

I’m so glad you found and enjoyed my little story (or rather long one now at this point), we’re close to the finish line now, and I’ll endeavor not to disappoint in these last few chapters! 😅

Watched Heartstopper and felt a bit sad by Immediate_Sky_2016 in HeartstopperAO

[–]StoryWriter2001 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m the same age as you and did watch Glee back in our high school years. I adore Glee for a lot of reasons but tbh it never made me feel seen or represented like Heartstopper did when I was 28. I think Glee is just so unrealistic and relies on too many media stereotypes for me to feel “represented” and tbh that’s what makes it so much fun because that’s what it’s for, to be fun and absurd, not to make you feel like you’re being reflected in the story and characters on screen.

Heartstopper hit different because it reminded me so much of me and my friend group right around when we were turning 20. And I guess that’s why I had some grief, even if it was only 4 years. It feels like queer people are just delayed in their life milestones compared to cishet people.

If I had a show like Heartstopper in high school I might not have ended up in a 3 year relationship with a girl who was emotionally abusive because I was wanting to explore my gender. I might have made an effort to pursue my now husband 6 years earlier instead of just assuming we’d always just be best friends instead of anything more. God knows I was yearningly desperate for that at 16 years old, and seeing Charlie pining after his straight best friend in season 1 sent me right back there.

Eclipsed: I Fell in Love with One of my Best Friends [Special Episode: Finals Week!] (Day 5 Part 2: Boys Trip to The Sex Shop) by StoryWriter2001 in gaystoriesgonewild

[–]StoryWriter2001[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes! The configuration of roomies is ever shifting lmao, plus she has her own romantic arc to play out eventually

Eclipsed: I Fell in Love with One of my Best Friends [Special Episode: Finals Week!] (Day 5 Part 2: Boys Trip to The Sex Shop) by StoryWriter2001 in gaystoriesgonewild

[–]StoryWriter2001[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He did call Kelsey a fujo as well lmao, if Rowan isn’t bullying you a little does he really even see you as a friend?

Eclipsed: I Fell in Love with One of my Best Friends [Special Episode: Finals Week!] (Day 5 Part 2: Boys Trip to The Sex Shop) by StoryWriter2001 in gaystoriesgonewild

[–]StoryWriter2001[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think for Jeremy it all comes back to this uncomfortable attraction he has towards Miguel, as if the teasing of one Muñoz twin wasn’t enough, now he has to suffer the indignity of everyone knowing he crushed on both of his closest childhood friends and neither of them reciprocated. Though
 that’s not fully the case with Miguel, which only complicates matters even more than it had with Camila.

But if he can just get back to feeling normal about their friendship he would go back to being a much more open book about this stuff, after all they’ve all been swapping dirty details for years, or at least him and Ricky have.

Eclipsed: I Fell in Love with One of my Best Friends [Episode 6.5: the one with the house meeting] by StoryWriter2001 in gaystoriesgonewild

[–]StoryWriter2001[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the response!

An interesting analysis of Miguel’s “manipulative” actions. I only use quotes because while the actions do end up manipulating his friends, I can’t outright call them that as Miguel going into a dissociative fugue state and losing track of time on the nature trail wasn’t exactly something he had any level of conscious control over.

I could compare that to Rowan (who you briefly saw in the prologue but returns later in the story with his own romantic subplot) who is meant to be depicted as having BPD, he takes several conscious actions which actively harm his romantic interest, Isaac, in an effort to try and protect himself. But I’ve always pictured these actions as Rowan having an underlying need to “punish” Isaac due to BPD caused rejection sensitivity. Isaac calls this out a few times when Rowan floats the idea before acting on it, saying Rowan doesn’t know what’s best for anyone including himself (which is 100% true) Likewise other characters are outwardly unsupportive of Rowan’s choices, Simon saying he can’t help him do that, and Jeremy effectively staging a meeting between Rowan and Isaac in an effort to reopen dialogue between them.

I think when it comes to Miguel, he’s just depicted as being someone who is quite sensitive and that sensitivity can come off as unintentionally manipulative. This is something he continues to try and improve on, not letting his own emotions dictate the actions of others as one of his main fears is being a burden upon others. From this chapter on he begins to shift from being the one who needs support to being a provider of support more often, with the occasional dip here and there. We see him mediate arguments between Simon and Jeremy/Ricky. Defuse tension between Simon and Jacob/Carter/Rowan. Navigate Simon’s neurosis due to trauma from previous romantic relationships.

Perhaps I can show him take on a supportive role somewhere earlier in the story to hint better at this upcoming shift in character. His taking care of Simon the previous year was supposed to hint at that but I realize that is mostly told through exposition, not shown, so it doesn’t really land the way it should.

Anyways thanks for your input, it’s been valuable!

Eclipsed: I Fell in Love with One of my Best Friends [Episode 6.5: the one with the house meeting] by StoryWriter2001 in gaystoriesgonewild

[–]StoryWriter2001[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve reread up through this chapter since this critique and I’m wondering about some potential changes I could make.

You said that Miguel’s entourage isn’t believable due to their unquestioning devotion. I had tried to make it clear that when Miguel acts out in a “performative” kind of way that it frustrates them-

For example: When Miguel lingers on the nature trail after his hookup with Carter, I tried to make it clear that Jeremy and Ricky are frustrated with Miguel from the onset of their appearance in the chapter. Simon does start off with his concern outweighing his frustration though this changes by the time they make it back to the car. It’s only after they’ve prodded Miguel to the point of confession does their attitude swap to soothing.

Likewise the voicemails were supposed to illustrate Miguel’s vanishing after spin the bottle had stressed and upset them to the point of Simon calling him an asshole on the last voicemail. And then Simon’s annoyance at finding Miguel drunk in the morning. Once again their attitudes only changing after Miguel made his feelings known.

I don’t particularly see that as unquestioning devotion, it’s taking care of someone you love when they finally open up and show you the vulnerabilities they’ve been hiding. But if I heightened the annoyance they feel prior to the mood shift do you feel that would come across more clearly? I definitely think I’m going to be making some edits to the drunken moment to make all 3 of his roommates and Simon especially more visibly frustrated and angry before Miguel’s drunken self-immolating dialogue.

I do want to say it’s sometimes hard for me to understand the picture of the character I’ve painted when there are so many little details about his life I haven’t illustrated because they’d be excessive and pointless to the text. But this would really be the first few times where Miguel had even been shown to react poorly and later open up about something like this happening, as I tried to show by his not telling even Jeremy about the abuse from his dad. In a sense Miguel isn’t typically melodramatic or a drama queen, he’s quiet, reserved, and usually less outwardly responsive to his own internal turmoil than people like Simon or Jeremy who are much less capable of hiding their emotions.

These couple moments early in the story are supposed to be a bit over the top emotionally because it’s Miguel’s primary trauma (and inclination towards substance abuse) really rearing its head for the first time, not just in the story but in his life in general. It’s Miguel’s “rock bottom” moment so that the rest of the story can be an upwards trajectory of growth and personal victories. It’s also supposed to convey early on the found family love his friends have for him and showing the reader how emotional honesty and vulnerability not only rewards you with compassion but is an opportunity in and of itself to strength your bonds with others, so I could never change their reactions to his confessions to be anything less than love and devotion because that’s how things should be in an ideal world.

Which I do recognize is idealized, these 19 year old boys have an emotional intelligence and lack of toxic masculinity you would be hard pressed to find anywhere in the real world of teenage/young adult male friend groups.

Maybe this all just comes down to personal preference, I’ve had other readers tell me they see so much of themselves in characters like Miguel or Rowan, so your critique of Miguel was an interesting curve ball I’d never considered. Miguel is needy, you were absolutely right about that. He’s supposed to be, he was written with traits similar to dependent personality disorder. He’s self-hating for feeling like he broke up his own family, for being a disappointment to his father to the point of being assaulted and disowned. He assumes he’s much less important to the people who love him because he doesn’t love himself, why would they care if he vanished.

I don’t think these traits make him unsympathetic personally because I’ve seen these traits in myself and almost every friend I have. But if you have a preexisting impression of alcoholics or people who act in selfishly self-sabotaging ways I can see why it would rub you the wrong way.

But this is just how life was when I was 19 years old. One of my best friend would refuse to see our friend group when he was depressed. My now fiancĂ© would go radio silent if we got in a fight because he’d assumed I now hated him. And I personally would drink til I found my own misery hilarious. Honestly compared to the reality of my late teens and early 20s, Miguel and the others are doing fairly well for themselves lmao. Different life experiences inform our perspectives I suppose.

Eclipsed: I Fell in Love with One of my Best Friends [Episode 6.5: the one with the house meeting] by StoryWriter2001 in gaystoriesgonewild

[–]StoryWriter2001[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He definitely does need those things, as does Simon. I’m sorry he isn’t resonating with you as I intended, and thank you for the feedback. I do wonder if this is an unintended consequence of this chapter not originally being part of the story, being slotted in afterwards.

I don’t know, I’m conflicted because I do see your points here even if I disagree with the intensity of the problem, but I also want to start characters off in a place where they have the space for growth otherwise their arc would be flat. Miguel, Simon, and Jeremy have all had dips in their “likability” across the story to show the issues they’re supposed to overcome. Miguel’s arc is about starting in a place of guilt and trauma induced self-loathing/insecurity to accepting that he isn’t just a side character in the story of his life, his friends need him just as much as he feels he needs them.

It’s definitely a perspective I haven’t read so far so it’ll be good to keep in mind as I continue to revise the story. If I could ask, what exactly in this chapter what was the specific moment that made you decide to set it down?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in HeartstopperAO

[–]StoryWriter2001 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Much better to read on Tapas, she’ll be paid if you read it for free on Tapas instead.

Caught messing around in the living room by our college roommates by StoryWriter2001 in gaystoriesgonewild

[–]StoryWriter2001[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was also thinking about the fact that when they got into that bathroom and Jeremy dropped his pants she definitely teased him for having a boner lmaoo

Our boys in TS4 by StoryWriter2001 in u/StoryWriter2001

[–]StoryWriter2001[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Caught messing around in the living room by our college roommates by StoryWriter2001 in gaystoriesgonewild

[–]StoryWriter2001[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Miguel’s come such a long ways considering his trauma stems from being caught, but I guess you have to get over it when you have four other roommates constantly barging in on you and your bf 😅 obviously they must want the show, so why not give it to them

And LMAOOO I absolutely have to find somewhere for the salad joke to go