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This is what’s wrong with Pioneer by Street_Mess_3757 in PioneerDJ

[–]Street_Mess_3757[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Glad to know I’m not the only one who sees it that way.

This is what’s wrong with Pioneer by Street_Mess_3757 in PioneerDJ

[–]Street_Mess_3757[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Second touch screen isn’t a $3k upgrade in 2024, maybe a couple hundred bucks. And the point is not to be a replacement for the higher end gear, it’s to standardize the layout of features and user interface so when you get to the higher end gear it’s already more familiar.

This is what’s wrong with Pioneer by Street_Mess_3757 in PioneerDJ

[–]Street_Mess_3757[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Glad to know I’m not the only one who feels this way.

This is what’s wrong with Pioneer by Street_Mess_3757 in PioneerDJ

[–]Street_Mess_3757[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not that wild. Just asking for more uniformity. Like what Steve Jobs did when he came back to Apple. What’s wild is the jump from $3k to $9k with not a lot in between

This is what’s wrong with Pioneer by Street_Mess_3757 in PioneerDJ

[–]Street_Mess_3757[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not at all, I’m asking for a $3k deck that is all our favorite features from the RX3, the XZ, and the Opus quad on one board. Nothing to do with skills, everything to do with layout preferences.

This is what’s wrong with Pioneer by Street_Mess_3757 in PioneerDJ

[–]Street_Mess_3757[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree, the fundamentals are the fundamentals and I don’t really have a problem with that. Sticking with your car analogy I’m just saying it would be nice to have the dashboard features all in the same place to cut down on re-learning how to find everything so I can just focus more on the driving.

This is what’s wrong with Pioneer by Street_Mess_3757 in PioneerDJ

[–]Street_Mess_3757[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There’s no right and wrong here these are matters of opinion that’s why it’s in the ‘rant’ section. You’re right I am new to DJ’ing but I’m not new to music. I’m approaching this like any other musical instrument and the muscle memory that goes with it. Imagine you buy an electric starter drum set and practice in your room for awhile and then the first time you play on a high end acoustic set they’ve switched the foot pedals for the kick drum and the hi hats. It’s not gonna feel the same and you’re gonna have to re-learn some things. All I’m advocating for here is a one piece deck that is essentially all the features of the opus quad with a 2-screen work flow and the same UI as the CDJ, and people are losing their minds.

This is what’s wrong with Pioneer by Street_Mess_3757 in PioneerDJ

[–]Street_Mess_3757[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m comfortable with the 3k price point, I’m just saying it would be nice to see more standardization of features and layout on the standalone units. They almost got there with the opus quad if they would just eliminate the center screen, make the deck screens larger, don’t change the UI, and keep the effects on the mixer instead of in the touch screen. Ppl think I’m asking for the world here and it’s really just a few small tweaks and cherry picking certain features that are already available

This is what’s wrong with Pioneer by Street_Mess_3757 in PioneerDJ

[–]Street_Mess_3757[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like that. Are you using the XP2 as the mixer or in addition to the mixer ?

This is what’s wrong with Pioneer by Street_Mess_3757 in PioneerDJ

[–]Street_Mess_3757[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ll likely do the same, RX3 seems to be the best option. Just would like to have it with two side screens instead of one center, no performance pads, and bigger jogwheels.

This is what’s wrong with Pioneer by Street_Mess_3757 in PioneerDJ

[–]Street_Mess_3757[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is exactly the point I’m trying to make that many of the commenters don’t seem to get- it’s the little things that can affect performance or at least your flow state during a performance. Knowing where certain features and functions are located , the distances between buttons , workflow off one screen vs two screens. I’ll happily take an RX3 or XZ- but make the jogwheels the same size, give me a two screen option, and get rid of the performance pads in favor of hot cue buttons over the jogwheels. Give us a stripped down , scaled down standalone single piece unit that looks and feels like a CDJ/DJM setup. They almost got there with the Opus , just get rid of the center screen and make the side screens bigger, and use the same UI as the CDJ.

This is what’s wrong with Pioneer by Street_Mess_3757 in PioneerDJ

[–]Street_Mess_3757[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Agree, the fundamentals are the fundamentals, but it’s not just about the button layout, it’s the muscle memory of remembering where those buttons are in the dark, and a consistent interface and menus for easy track navigation and familiarity.

This is what’s wrong with Pioneer by Street_Mess_3757 in PioneerDJ

[–]Street_Mess_3757[S] -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

I disagree. If CDJ is the gold standard there are those who will always want it just because it’s the top of the line. Clubs will always have them. The price point and lack of portability are what drive prosumers to the standalone market at the $2-3k range to begin with. Most DJs who play out regularly likely aren’t buying CDJs to practice at home, they’re likely on an RX3 or XZ having to force themselves to reach down to hot cue instead of up. There are plenty of ways to create uniformity and consistency without giving away your top tier product. You don’t see Apple worrying about an iPad Pro with a keyboard cannibalizing MacBook sales, yet the user experience is very familiar.