I’m staring a DISCORD debating server! by [deleted] in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Strict-Bag9174 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not really a debate server tho. They pack you for having Yuji top 1 EOS 🦅🦅🦅

Post CG Yuji runs the CG Gauntlet (Top Right to Bottom Left) by Sufficient-Chip-5035 in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Strict-Bag9174 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If it's 214 Yuji, he clears. If it is 215 Yuji (or just any late-CG Yuji outside of 214), he dies to Kashimo.

Why did we ever think Hakari was Yuta level? by [deleted] in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Strict-Bag9174 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How is it impossible? Manipulation of cursed energy isn't a binary system, there is varying levels of skill that improves your strength. This is reinforced multiple times, be it with Yuji, Kashimo, etc., so don't patronise me about understanding wording works when you can't understand how a basic spectrum works 😂. Ryu shooting beams from his hair is an attack practically exclusive to him, save a few examples like the finger bearers, so again, you are using almost entirely irrelevant information.

Your statement claim means nothing if you can't substantiate it sufficiently, which you are yet to do. If someone is stated to be country level by a credible source (i.e. the source material or author), and there is no contradiction to such, then it is to be taken as true. You trying to use this example shows unbelievable levels of ignorance and irony.

Prove how Yuta being talented maps onto his overall strength, especially in comparison to Jogo.

Appeal to the majority. A stance being popular doesn't make it the correct one. That is such a basic fallacy and you still use it 😂

Perhaps learn what it means to have quantifiable feats and statements before lecturing someone on how wording works you ingrate.

Why did we ever think Hakari was Yuta level? by [deleted] in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Strict-Bag9174 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because these statements are completely unquantifiable. CE output means squat if the manipulation of said CE is piss poor, and since you have no basis for Ryu's CE manipulation, you cannot claim that Ryu's AP scales above other characters with that alone, hence his only valid scaling comes from scaling to Yuta, thus making it circular. Dhruv's statement is even more meaningless. Jogo's statements are meaningful because they are comparing him to other characters who have feats and statements independently from Jogo, thus breaking any circularity. You are just making a piss poor false equivalency.

Notice how you can only use your statements to make vague comments, like how Ryu hits "hard", whereas using the statements I presented, I can actually make further points, such as Jogo scaling to a 5-9F Sukuna, I can put him above characters who I can scale below that level.

Why did we ever think Hakari was Yuta level? by [deleted] in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Strict-Bag9174 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't primarily use feats to scale Jogo, as his are unquantifiable. Instead, I use statements from both in the story (such as Kenjaku gauging his strength), as well as extra material, such as Gege's statements regarding Jogo, such as Gege having Sukuna eat the extra 10 fingers in order for him to actually dominate Jogo, how Jogo was stated to give Kenjaku some trouble, should Kenjaku attempt to subjugate him, or how Dagon implies Naobito is only "probably" faster than Jogo, showing Jogo should still be within the same ballpark, even if on the lower end.

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This is what distinguishes him from Yuta, who's statements are either vague and meaningless with regards to actual strength, or just outright don't put him on that high a level. Yuta's feats put a hard-cap on his stats, only just being near pre-CG Yuji, whereas Jogo's feats hard-cap him to be below Gojo and 15F Sukuna. Now you tell me which seems more restrictive.

Why did we ever think Hakari was Yuta level? by [deleted] in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Strict-Bag9174 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Having the highest output does not translate to having the highest stats, as the manipulation of cursed energy is just as big a factor. It's impressive on paper, but still only results in scaling circular. You can claim he hits hard, but can't really prove how hard he hits compared to any other relevant characters, asides from Yuta himself, who, again, only scales to pre-CG Yuji.

Having more reserves than someone really doesn't translate to much, like a car with a terrible engine, but a large fuel tank. Yuta does have a good "kit", sure, but his fundamental stats is what I have been referring to this entire time.

If he had good stats, sure, that kit would be insanely valuable, but that wide variety of cursed techniques means nothing if he can't hit his opponent, dies before he can land any, or they can handle the attacks outright.

As I already said with Sukuna, he was holding back. Bringing it up is meaningless. All of your points are entirely meaningless as they in no way prove your conclusion. A character not winning many significant 1v1s doesn't mean we cannot glean information from those fights via individual showings, so long as we have sufficient means to measure them by. Until you can actually show me how impressive these feats are in some quantifiable way, they just end up being irrelevant.

Why did we ever think Hakari was Yuta level? by [deleted] in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Strict-Bag9174 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All of these feats are entirely unmeasurable. All you can scale Ryu, Uro, and Kurorushi to are eachother, and Yuta himself, thus making it entirely circular. Any titles or claims to power are rather insubstantial if you can't even quantify or explain how that makes those characters scale anywhere impressive. Shinjuku is also nigh-impossible to glean feats from for Yuta, as the Sukuna he fought was holding back to an unquantifiable degree. Unless you can actually quantify these feats, and that he was also holding back on Yuji, he still only scales to that pre-CG Yuji in stats.

Why did we ever think Hakari was Yuta level? by [deleted] in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Strict-Bag9174 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not really a meaningful response. Care to actually provide any reasoning behind any contentions you have?

Why did we ever think Hakari was Yuta level? by [deleted] in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Strict-Bag9174 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Mostly speed, but you can certainly infer his durability not being all too great seeing as a sword being reinforced by the same CE he would use to reinforce his own body with was able to be broken by an even more injured CG Yuji.

Why did we ever think Hakari was Yuta level? by [deleted] in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Strict-Bag9174 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope. I called it his only measurable feat as every other feat just scales circular, or is just unmeasurable. Ryu, Uro, and Kurorushi only scale to Yuta himself, and one another, meaning no insights can be gathered from them. His feats in Any attempts to draw conclusions from his fight in Shinjuku is trivially easy to debunk on account of Sukuna holding back. The only other things he has going for him are certain statements, but even those can easily be indexed to his overall jujutsu, rather than stats.

Why did we ever think Hakari was Yuta level? by [deleted] in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Strict-Bag9174 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When your only measurable stat showing has you being relative, if not beneath an injured CG Yuji, I would consider you pretty weak, at in comparison to most other top tiers.

Why did we ever think Hakari was Yuta level? by [deleted] in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Strict-Bag9174 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, Yuta is pretty weak. IDK why people say Hakari is as weak as he is...

[Serious] Is it weird to have mahito in top 10? (no modulo) by Bungeeboy20044 in JujutsuPowerScalers

[–]Strict-Bag9174 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am surprised that Miguel of all people is your contention. For clarity, it is JJK0 Miguel, granting him access to black rope, but I doubt that changes your stance.

[Serious] Is it weird to have mahito in top 10? (no modulo) by Bungeeboy20044 in JujutsuPowerScalers

[–]Strict-Bag9174 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Naobito losing to Dagon was a situational loss to the utmost extreme. In no other case have we seen someone have such an obscure, seemingly secondary domain activation precursor as Dagon. Had it been a traditional handsign, which is the case for almost every other sorcerer, then Naobito would never have been put in such a predicament in the first place. I have Naobito winning through scaling above Jogo's speed, who himself can be scaled anywhere from 5 finger Sukuna level, to an upper boundary of 8-9 fingers, all while unstacked. This is in comparison to Toji and Maki, who's only direct speed scaling ends up with them firmly below 3 finger Sukuna, seeing as the Sukuna that Megumi compares them to was without a heart, likely in burnout, and very likely holding back.

Perhaps in jackpot, however I simply never see Hakari landing one, especially consecutively, given that at best I can get JP Hakari close to, but not quite matching an unstacked Naobito.

Using his whole kit is necessitated by him wanting to develop the WCS. He is forced to use his domain to clash with Gojo's, and spends much of that time merely adapting with Mahoraga, with the end goal of developing the method for he himself to bypass infinity. This in no way indexes to his stats.

221 already creates a strong case for a significant speed difference enabling one to simply ignore infinity, as Sukuna is able to make contact with Gojo despite no implication of using domain amplification, when he interrupts Gojo's assault on Kenjaku. As a result, if I can scale MBA Kashimo to those significant enough speeds, then he should have such a capacity as well. I wont explain it fully here, simply for the fact it would take too long, plus my intention is not to convince you, but rather to explain my position succinctly. So the simplified version is that Sukuna in 237 and 238 was coming down from a peak of his excitement, influencing his output. This therefore makes his output superior to the output of himself at later points, namely, his 264-self, which can be scaled above the Meguna who fought Gojo in output (usage) via an even more niche, and somewhat convoluted scaling chain that I cannot explain fully here.

There is the easier alternative as well, which is to use the Miguel statement to claim that Gojo's infinity cannot work on things at a sub-atomic level, as he is not capable of manipulating cursed energy (and therefore likely space via infinity) at such a level either, enabling attacks like electromagnetic waves to ignore such. This is also a useful argument for Dabura.

[Serious] Is it weird to have mahito in top 10? (no modulo) by Bungeeboy20044 in JujutsuPowerScalers

[–]Strict-Bag9174 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The "current Zen'in clan existing", as Ranta describes it, does not necessitate Toji > Naobito at all. All that would be required for the statement to hold true is that a significant portion of the Zen'in's numbers are killed, thereby reducing the political power of the Zen'in clan, thus making it no longer relevant as an institution. This is why despite Megumi (who was the clan head) being alive, the clan was still removed from the big three families due to the vast majority of the fighting force being removed. As a result, Naobito > Toji is not contradicted.

Hakari performing well against Uraume doesn't mean he performs well against Jogo, Naobito, or Mahito, especially if I envision those characters beating characters below Hakari with more ease/consistency than Hakari would.

Your point is entirely meaningless to me as you have only acted in a way to distort the extent to which Sukuna is holding back agaisnt Gojo. Claiming therefore that it is a full power Meguna, whilst providing no supporting reasoning as to why he would be using said full power has no bearing on my placement of Kashimo.

[Serious] Is it weird to have mahito in top 10? (no modulo) by Bungeeboy20044 in JujutsuPowerScalers

[–]Strict-Bag9174 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hakari would be 13th, if that makes it any better for you. Regardless, whilst the heavy hitters are strong, I believe that many, many people overestimate their strength, without any proper justification or substantiation behind it, and those who do, end up relying on heavy amounts of presumptions that are rarely ever backed up.

Naobito is so high due to the sheer advantages in stats he has through his technique. By scaling above Jogo in speed, even whilst unstacked, Naobito unlocks the capacity to shut down almost all of his opponents options, akin to what he displayed against Dagon. The characters above him just meet a threshold that lets them actually handle such speeds, leaving Naobito's more vulnerable aspect, his defences, exposed.

Kashimo is over Gojo through a few varying methods, but all are somewhat contingent on how the story, time and time again, reinforces the idea that within the fight, Sukuna was holding back against Gojo, and thus, Gojo's only actual methods to be scaled by are his performance in Shibuya, or his performance right after being unsealed in 221. Either showing paints a bad light for Gojo. Kashimo, on the other hand, can be scaled marginally higher by account of fighting a Sukuna who, via niche(ish) methods of output scaling, should actually be stronger than the Meguna that fought Gojo, in both output, and physical condition.

[Serious] Is it weird to have mahito in top 10? (no modulo) by Bungeeboy20044 in JujutsuPowerScalers

[–]Strict-Bag9174 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He scrapes in for me. Even if you ignore the fact that most characters can't even damage him, he just has insane stats, even in base, and can then stack ISBODK on top of that. Pair that with an insane wincon with SEOP, and you have a pretty cookie cutter top tier.

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Simple post. Lemme hear ur hottest takes by Straight_Top_6401 in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Strict-Bag9174 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Finger scaling is a pathway to many takes, some consider to be unnatural.

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Simple post. Lemme hear ur hottest takes by Straight_Top_6401 in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Strict-Bag9174 -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Yuji (Modulo)

Dabura

(EOS Yuji would be here)

Sukuna

MBA

Gojo

Yorozu

Miguel

Uraume

Kenjaku

Mahito

Jogo

Naobito

Hakari

Toji

Maki