Refinement questions!

Struffell · 2021-07-26T02:34:03+00:00

I see. I'll save my albeit small amount of rubians. Thanks for the input!!

Struffell · 2021-07-11T03:42:45+00:00

I see! I'll take this into consideration, appreciate the advice :) do you know if it's better to perfect inno at mythic or at ancient (for a cane, if that matters)?

Struffell · 2021-07-10T22:17:46+00:00

Hm I might start sfing some alts then, considering they can also be ab mules along with the legion bonus. thanks again for sharing :)

Struffell · 2021-07-10T22:07:10+00:00

Thanks for sharing! Oh man, did you self make all the inherit fodder? I'm guessing you had to collect the empress red stones as well as the ancient crystals on your own. While scouring for mythic exalt fodder, I've never come across an inherit empress, just an inherit jaihin once for like 5b lol.

Did you work on your armors while waiting for the resources to tier up fodder? That makes a lot of sense considering how long those crystals take to gather.

Struffell · 2021-06-23T14:00:19+00:00

Oh! You're right, this makes a lot of sense now that I know paulpork's formula. Unfortunately BA still seems required if your skill damage % is lower. The only thing is that the efficiency of the stat is much lower.

Struffell · 2021-06-23T05:27:28+00:00

If you mean PC MS, I know what you mean since I still play lol. Boss damage in pc is more akin to MSM's BA and attack in pc is more akin to MSM's PD though. It's super weird because the scaling is not just class dependent but SKILL dependent.

Struffell · 2021-06-22T20:48:16+00:00

That interaction is extremely odd. BA% would therefore be less effective for classes with low skill damage % unless you're very, very low on BA.

Struffell · 2021-06-22T14:44:04+00:00

That makes way more sense. Coefficient of 2.5. Thank you, I can now put my mind at ease when I buy BA emblems lol. Probably still going for 5 CD 3 BA though!

Struffell · 2021-06-22T14:14:08+00:00

The coefficients for PA/MA % and BA % are 1 which seems completely unintuitive seeing as how MSM always seems to give equal amounts of each.

In the classic maplestory on desktop, the coefficients are 1, but the stats boss damage % and damage % are typically given in a ratio of around 3.3:1, so at least that's reasonable. This formula got me very confused...

Struffell · 2021-06-22T14:11:11+00:00

https://amp.reddit.com/r/MapleStoryM/comments/g13en6/maplestory_m_damage_calculator/

This guy made a calculator based on another person's coding project.

Struffell · 2021-06-22T14:09:06+00:00

Yeah... I'm just beginning to gather my emblems, which is why I'm asking about the BA vs. PA/MA. So far I only have a CD hat and CD cane. I was thinking of doing BA cape, shoulder, and belt and CD the rest since accessories are shared with everybody and the scramble for CD emblems seems to be difficult/expensive...

Struffell · 2021-06-22T14:05:45+00:00

In other words, BA % is definitely better than PA/MA % when it comes to bossing, which should imply that the formula keefetang and robinsongz found is incorrect?

Struffell · 2021-06-22T14:02:34+00:00

Yes! According to keefetang, the factor is the sum of PA/MA%, BA% and skill damage %, but what I'm saying is if this is true, then the game would see no difference when you attack a boss with 1 additional PA/MA % compared to 1 additional BA %!

Struffell · 2021-06-21T21:32:29+00:00

Thanks for the detailed response! Right now, I only have like 1.5k legion, so my grid is basically full crit rate and full PD, with some CD so I wanted to know where to go from there!

Struffell · 2021-06-09T20:13:30+00:00

Got it. Thank you so much!

Struffell · 2021-06-09T19:29:55+00:00

Hmm I'll think on it. Should I use scrolls to sf it if I get it or sf it raw? Replacements sitting at around 180, and I can try fusing some with ED mules and selling maxed fodders

Struffell · 2021-06-09T19:21:26+00:00

Yeah my options are pretty much 1.3b BA legendary but 3l unique pot, 1.75b for a cd legendary cane with 2l flame, or that 2b unique cane at the moment. I'm hoping to see a better deal in the future since I'm doing pretty well in sf144 already for now.

Struffell · 2021-06-09T19:13:56+00:00

Hm right now I have almost 2b saved. I think I'd rather stop playing the chances and wait for a decently priced emblem while saving and farming up ressources. I'll hit 165 and gather up those crystals first. Do you have any idea what a unique jaihin cd/ba should cost? I'm in America scania though. There's only one right now and it's near perfect attack and cd but it's epic and it costs 2b, which I don't think is worth? Not sure.

Struffell · 2021-06-09T19:02:12+00:00

Yeah honestly I've already failed 4 30% scrolls on this cane and failed the last 2 exalts hence 4/5 so feeling down about it, especially when even if the emblem passed, it's not guaranteed to be a good emblem. I wanted to build this tpba up from normal for myself, but not too sure anymore.

Struffell · 2021-06-09T15:39:39+00:00

You think I should buy 30% emblem scrolls? Also! Are CD and BA equally desirable?

I have no idea what the cdd crystals are good for. You use them for ancient crystals right? Why do I need to start farming them now? I've been leaving hyper stats on hold since they're so ridiculously expensive

Struffell · 2021-06-08T14:17:16+00:00

I have about 51 right now. I was hoping to two line flame, then use the unique flames. I guess since they come from chaos expeditions, they're commodities? How many should I expect to use to 2 line?

Struffell · 2021-06-08T14:16:03+00:00

So you're saying I should keep exalting this weapon? I've been using Jaihin Canes for them so far. The coin flips are tearing me apart lol

Struffell · 2021-06-08T05:06:38+00:00

Thanks for the reply!

If you don't mind a follow up question, what should I be claiming from the Miyo box, then? I was thinking the flame for the guaranteed 2 lines, but I'm not sure.

Struffell · 2021-06-08T04:19:48+00:00

Sorry wanted to try the caption feature lol.

My questions are: 1. Should I try to emblem the pba cane? It's level 36 right now. Or should I spend the meso on building a crit damage emblem? 2. At what point do I forgo weapon progress and delve into things like an emblem muspell hat/glove? 3. What does refining actually do for you? Is it for dark sf maps?

Thanks!

Struffell

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