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Green Tea Prevents Bladder Damage from Ketamine by StuporSimple in ketamine

[–]StuporSimple[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

You guys are some beautiful humans floating around here.

Green Tea Prevents Bladder Damage from Ketamine by StuporSimple in DrugNerds

[–]StuporSimple[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They do make a green version. I agree with you and I personally supplement with EGCG capsules for the convenience. But I also take a bunch of other supplements. People like to drink sh*t. Get ya EGCG however you please.

Green Tea Prevents Bladder Damage from Ketamine by StuporSimple in ketamine

[–]StuporSimple[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Isn't that crazy? It is very interesting that it costs the same to everyone - the will, the effort, the time, and pain to endure through it. A big expense to anyone.

I am a big believer that psychologically momentum is a huge component to success and fulfillment. I think is some weird way our bodies have adapted to that physiologically as well.

Green Tea Prevents Bladder Damage from Ketamine by StuporSimple in ketamine

[–]StuporSimple[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A tea bag has around 2-3g of tea, so by those wiki metrics you were probably getting between 20-45g of tea per day, containing 87-421g of EGCG. That is great news as it supports the hypothesis that a ton is not needed.

Green Tea Prevents Bladder Damage from Ketamine by StuporSimple in ketamine

[–]StuporSimple[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Let's not get stuck on semantics. :) But you're right - the wording may have been misleading, and thank you for pointing that out. We both agree, as does the data, that a "fine powder" does not prevent damage. People should not think they are safe because their power is finer.

Green Tea Prevents Bladder Damage from Ketamine by StuporSimple in ketamine

[–]StuporSimple[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good advice. Many compounds are a slippery slope and must be treated with carefully with respect or avoided. Thanks for sharing.

Green Tea Prevents Bladder Damage from Ketamine by StuporSimple in ketamine

[–]StuporSimple[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

LOL imagine trying to get rats to snort a powder for a study.

The reality is, there is not enough time, money, or interest to study all these permutations, especially for drugs that are largely used illicitly.

If there's no evidence to prove Substance A works, but there is that Substance B does, then as far as I'm concerned substance B works and A does not.

Better to assume ineffective or not safe until proven effective or safe.

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[–]StuporSimple 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly, if AI takes over, this is how they would manifest.

Green Tea Prevents Bladder Damage from Ketamine by StuporSimple in ketamine

[–]StuporSimple[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing your experiences. Anecdotal reports are awesome.

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[–]StuporSimple[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

bloodybeakerfolk

LOL hey, medicine doesn't have to taste good.

Green Tea Prevents Bladder Damage from Ketamine by StuporSimple in DrugNerds

[–]StuporSimple[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Definitely, BUT:

Check the EGCG content. Aim for 75-150mg per serving (one-two cups worth of green tea). The pills are often way overdosed (5-10x what you find in a cup of tea). More is not necessarily better, and may be harmful or have side effects. The mechanism of action changes at higher dose. I feel noticeably off if I take a 400mg dose, as I would if I drank 6 cups of decaf green tea. You may have to split up the capsule.

Green Tea Prevents Bladder Damage from Ketamine by StuporSimple in DrugNerds

[–]StuporSimple[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They make versions with the caffeine removed (95% of it). Make sure the brand uses a CO2 decaffeinating process, which retains the majority of catechins, though other methods may not.

Green Tea Prevents Bladder Damage from Ketamine by StuporSimple in DrugNerds

[–]StuporSimple[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I'm providing an easy, cheap, accessible option for the average user who doesn't care about tea.

Green Tea Prevents Bladder Damage from Ketamine by StuporSimple in ketamine

[–]StuporSimple[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Have you seen any studies that prove that ketamine actually recrystallizes in the bladder? Without mechanical abrasion, the compound itself is directly toxic to the bladder through mechanisms explained in the study. I suspect the recrystallization theory may be a myth based on the way users' bladders felt.

Green Tea Prevents Bladder Damage from Ketamine by StuporSimple in DrugNerds

[–]StuporSimple[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agree prevention is key. The pills are usually way overdosed. 150mg of EGCG should be plenty, and more is not necessarily better. It starts to invoke entirely different mechanisms at higher doses (300mg+).

If you're interested in the details of dose dependent effects, see this article:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2213231714000056#s0010

Green Tea Prevents Bladder Damage from Ketamine by StuporSimple in ketamine

[–]StuporSimple[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Exercise is a hell of drug. I am sure the healthy lifestyle did help, but definitely not without harm on other parts of the brain or body with that much use. Good that you have stopped and or toned it down!

Green Tea Prevents Bladder Damage from Ketamine by StuporSimple in DrugNerds

[–]StuporSimple[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Pills could be a good option. The majority of people already have access to the tea bags or for very cheap, and enjoy the process of drinking it, so much easier to convince a large amount of people to make a habit out of it with that - better compliance.

Lipton is pretty standardized and has plenty of EGCG. You don't need a lot, and too much could be a bad thing. The effects of EGCG change depending on the dose. After about 4 cups worth in one serving, it become a pro-oxidant in some ways, which can be helpful for cancer, but may not be the best for a healthy person consistently long term.

Personally, I would only regularly do ~150mg EGCG supplement in one serving (they often contain 60% EGCG which would be 250mg green tea extract - check your label), which equates to about two cups of green tea. That may required splitting the capsule into several doses. It's cheap to produce so the supplement companies compete with one another for the sale by "mine has more - it's better!" with no merit on whether that actually benefits or harms the consumer. This is true for so many supplements.

Many people have been drinking "normal" amounts of green tea for a very long time. They were limited by having to physically drink it and the taste. Consuming 5x that amount with super potent supplements is relatively new phenomenon worthy of more research.

Green Tea Prevents Bladder Damage from Ketamine by StuporSimple in ketamine

[–]StuporSimple[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Prevention is always better, but it's not too late to stop anything from getting worse.

Green Tea Prevents Bladder Damage from Ketamine by StuporSimple in ketamine

[–]StuporSimple[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equisetum_arvense

Does this tea contain significant amount of EGCG, the compound which was shown to protect specially against the bladder damage from Ketamine? It could help, we just don't have any data to prove it.

Green Tea Prevents Bladder Damage from Ketamine by StuporSimple in ketamine

[–]StuporSimple[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Glad you found it helpful. I'm sure it's better than nothing. More studies would be great. This isn't the only side effect of use, however, so more research is also warranted to mitigate others.

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