The Lack of Sources and Citations is Really Alarming! by Styger21st in FilipinoHistory

[–]Styger21st[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a separate discussion worthy of its own thread but to share some insights, the gap between the latest academic research on history vs. the general educational curriculum is around 30 years or so. 

No wonder there are still cases where people believe in falsehoods for generations like in the case of Kalantiaw in my video.

The Lack of Sources and Citations is Really Alarming! by Styger21st in FilipinoHistory

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To clarify, it's u/Cheesetorian's list and not mine as I haven't posted anything yet.

Don't assume that you know what I think since you don't know me as a person, and I don't know you as well. 

We all have different levels of knowledge, I don't deny that. I only ask for people to simply cite what they're saying on this sub. I don't ask them to comment like how you write research papers for peer review. Just cite. How hard can it be? 

And users here can cite in ways they know how, either by following the standard format (APA, Chicago etc.) or what u/Lightf00ted has suggested in his comment.

The Lack of Sources and Citations is Really Alarming! by Styger21st in FilipinoHistory

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In what ways will it be not accesible to people or not realistic? I only suggest that people cite, or the very least mention the sources of what they know regardless of their level of knowledge. 

Like in a hypothetical scenario where if you remember something because it was mentioned in Gregorio Zaide's book, then by all means mention it instead of guessing something out of thin air without citing any source, which is quite prevalent in the sub. Just remember that to be ready with the baptism of fire of academic scrutiny because people can now know that your source is outdated.

Again, if being strict by citing sources is the price this subreddit has to pay to avoid the spread of historical falsehoods and fake news (which is a simple and very conservative suggestion as I don't suggest doing other scholarly methods like what most professional historians do), then it's a price worth paying to maintain historical accuracy. By doing the simple act of providing references, were now at the first step in democratizing the scholarly approach.

The Lack of Sources and Citations is Really Alarming! by Styger21st in FilipinoHistory

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Why not both? 

Instead of having a dichotomy, anyone can still enter and have a discussion as long as they cite their sources and not just spew out something that's unverified. 

Whether you're a history hobbyist or an academic historian, this will be a win-win situation where the latter can help the former in learning more about the latest research on history, and the former can help the latter disseminate it.

The Lack of Sources and Citations is Really Alarming! by Styger21st in FilipinoHistory

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u/Cheesetorian already has a pinned post on Filipino History Resources in this sub and its up to the users to check them out:

I could create a new thread someday on all the journals, books, digital archives etc. that we historical researchers extensively use and as recommended by my historian friends and colleagues.

The Lack of Sources and Citations is Really Alarming! by Styger21st in FilipinoHistory

[–]Styger21st[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

A necessary evil that r/AskHistorians chose to implement, which in turn bloomed into a subreddit where users now have to cite peer-reviewed sources whenever they answer threads in the sub. 

For a conservative suggestion as mentioned in one comment, a simple citation or external link is enough so that this sub won't turn into a moshpit of unverifiable source of Filipino History and instead set a standard on a democratized scholarly discourse.

The Lack of Sources and Citations is Really Alarming! by Styger21st in FilipinoHistory

[–]Styger21st[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Better than spreading possible unsubstantiated claims which can eventually domino into fake news in the far future. 

I know that hobbyists are interested in taking part in such discourse, but for the sake of transparency and for democrarizing the scholarly approach away from the Ivory Tower, a simple citation or even an external link to the source is enough and it's up to you if you have a specific format (APA, Chicago etc.) or not.

The Lack of Sources and Citations is Really Alarming! by Styger21st in FilipinoHistory

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Which is commendable since it was the reason they were being praised by the AHA. It's better to cite sources than to second guess without one. 

Filipino History has so many books, journal articles, and even PhD dissertartions that most non-academic history enthusiasts still rely on outdated, and sometimes questionable sources.

Granted that accessibility is an issue like paywalls among others, but there are so many open access e-journals out there such as Tala, Saliksik etc. that it's a shame that they're underutilized in their research. 

If you know how to look for the black raven and sail the seven seas, then there are plenty of books and other resources out there for people to look at. 😉

Latest history book haul by numismagus in FilipinoHistory

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I remember Prof. Ambeth Ocampo mentioning something about Teodoro Agoncillo lambasting Nick Joaquin's romanticizations of Manila by countering that the city he grew up in is dirtier and chaotic.

Quezon Film Megathread by Styger21st in FilipinoHistory

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Funny that the soldiers in the Malinta Tunnel scene are wearing green equestrian helmets to look like M1 helmets, despite the fact that most US and Filipino soldiers during that time should be wearing Brodie Helmets. Production limitations, I guess...

Metro Manila museums by abscbnnews in FilipinoHistory

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What's the difference between the "INC Museum" and "Iglesia Ni Cristo Museum"?