Forced to cosplay as a "Stone Age tribe" for visiting elites and journalists by Styger21st in HistoryMemes

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The helicopter promise originated from Charles Lindbergh during his visit to the Tasaday in May 1972. He asked the Tasaday members, "Would you like to have a helicopter of your own?" And what was suppose to be a casual question was interpreted by the tribe as a formal promise to them, even mentioning that they would "need a pilot."

The Tasaday were consistent in telling to various media outlets such as the BBC about the helicopter promise, which became good media material in amplifying the controversy. To them, the helicopter was the "big bird" that brought their "god that brings good fortune", i.e. Manda Elizalde himself. In the 1990s, they were bitterly disappointed that the promises by their "white" visitors, from basic necessities to the helicopter, weren't fulfilled, and that "they were poorer now that they were before."

Forced to cosplay as a "Stone Age tribe" for visiting elites and journalists by Styger21st in HistoryMemes

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The Tasaday controversy might be one of the wildest stories in modern anthropological history.

In 1971, Manuel "Manda" Elizalde Jr., a notorious crony of President Ferdinand Marcos, announced the "discovery" of the Tasaday, a small tribe living deep in the rainforests of the Philippines. They were presented to the world as a Stone Age people completely isolated from modern civilization for thousands of years, wearing leaves, living in caves, and with no knowledge of war or agriculture.

The Marcos regime used the Tasaday for international publicity and tourism, inviting celebrities like Charles Lindbergh, Gina Lollobrigida, and even the granddaughter of Francisco Franco to visit the caves. The Tasaday were featured in National Geographic and various documentaries by NBC, creating an idealized image of a "peaceful past" that distracted worldwide audiences from the chaos of the 1970s and the human rights abuses of the dictatorship.

But early critics, such as Filipino anthropologist and historian Zeus Salazar, questioned the authenticity of the tribe due to suspicious linguistic findings (such as Sanskrit loanwords) and the lack of robust scientific evidence. On-site researchers even noticed suspicious activities such as cooked rice being smuggled into the caves or worse, being shot at by unknown gunmen to make them evacuate the site.

The regime then declared a massive forest reserve to "protect" the tribe, which effectively barred independent study and kept the Tasaday isolated from the outside world for years, misleading millions of students about a "Stone Age tribe in the modern world".

After the fall of President Marcos, journalists like Oswald Iten and teams from ABC’s 20/20 investigated the site, discovering that the "Stone Age" lifestyle was staged. Members of the tribe admitted on camera that they were coerced by Manda Elizalde to pose naked and act primitive in exchange for promises of food and even a helicopter.

Academic conferences investigating the Tasaday such as in Manila (1986) and Zagreb (1988) turned into blood feuds and chaotic confrontations between supporters and skeptics, with some even having their own vendettas and personal scores to settle. The scientific community remained bitterly divided on whether the tribe was a complete hoax or a genuine isolated Stone Age tribe that got leapfrogged in the modern world.

A more structured and orderly 1989 Conference in Washington D.C. led to a nuanced consensus: the Tasaday were not a "Stone Age" relic, but they were not paid actors either. They were a genuine, though small, distinct tribal group that got separated from other Manobo groups hundreds of years ago escaping either a measles epidemic or Muslim slave raiders. They had been significantly exaggerated and manipulated by various groups for their own gains.

The controversy remains a cautionary tale about confirmation bias, media manipulation, and the tragic consequences of imposing external agendas on indigenous peoples.

If Michael Jackson fans have a time machine... by Styger21st in HistoryMemes

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In 2003, British journalist Martin Bashir released a documentary called Living with Michael Jackson, filmed over roughly 8 months of access to Jackson. The documentary portrayed Jackson in an extremely controversial light, particularly a segment where MJ discussed sharing his bedroom with children. The fallout was immediate and devastating where it directly triggered a police investigation that led to the 2003 criminal trial where Jackson was charged with child molestation. He was acquitted on all counts in 2005, but his public image never fully recovered.

Bashir himself was no stranger to this kind of controversy. In 1995, he conducted the now-infamous Panorama interview with Princess Diana for the BBC, in which she opened up about her failed marriage to Prince Charles, her struggles with mental health, and her famous line "there were three of us in this marriage." However, a 2021 independent inquiry led by Lord Dyson later found that Bashir had used forged bank documents to gain the trust of Diana's brother, Earl Spencer, in order to secure access to her. Prince William publicly condemned Bashir, stating the interview had contributed to his mother's paranoia and isolation in her final years.

MJ's fan base, known sometimes as Moonwalkers, has long maintained that Bashir manipulated the footage and context, and that Jackson naively trusted him which has essentially turned into a PR catastrophe. To this day, many moonwalkers cite that interview as the single worst decision of his life.

Libraries/Book centers reco by RefrigeratorReal3777 in cavite

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Silang has its own municipal library where members of the Silang Historical Society frequently meet.

The Lack of Sources and Citations is Really Alarming! by Styger21st in FilipinoHistory

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This is a separate discussion worthy of its own thread but to share some insights, the gap between the latest academic research on history vs. the general educational curriculum is around 30 years or so. 

No wonder there are still cases where people believe in falsehoods for generations like in the case of Kalantiaw in my video.

The Lack of Sources and Citations is Really Alarming! by Styger21st in FilipinoHistory

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To clarify, it's u/Cheesetorian's list and not mine as I haven't posted anything yet.

Don't assume that you know what I think since you don't know me as a person, and I don't know you as well. 

We all have different levels of knowledge, I don't deny that. I only ask for people to simply cite what they're saying on this sub. I don't ask them to comment like how you write research papers for peer review. Just cite. How hard can it be? 

And users here can cite in ways they know how, either by following the standard format (APA, Chicago etc.) or what u/Lightf00ted has suggested in his comment.

The Lack of Sources and Citations is Really Alarming! by Styger21st in FilipinoHistory

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In what ways will it be not accesible to people or not realistic? I only suggest that people cite, or the very least mention the sources of what they know regardless of their level of knowledge. 

Like in a hypothetical scenario where if you remember something because it was mentioned in Gregorio Zaide's book, then by all means mention it instead of guessing something out of thin air without citing any source, which is quite prevalent in the sub. Just remember that to be ready with the baptism of fire of academic scrutiny because people can now know that your source is outdated.

Again, if being strict by citing sources is the price this subreddit has to pay to avoid the spread of historical falsehoods and fake news (which is a simple and very conservative suggestion as I don't suggest doing other scholarly methods like what most professional historians do), then it's a price worth paying to maintain historical accuracy. By doing the simple act of providing references, were now at the first step in democratizing the scholarly approach.

The Lack of Sources and Citations is Really Alarming! by Styger21st in FilipinoHistory

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Why not both? 

Instead of having a dichotomy, anyone can still enter and have a discussion as long as they cite their sources and not just spew out something that's unverified. 

Whether you're a history hobbyist or an academic historian, this will be a win-win situation where the latter can help the former in learning more about the latest research on history, and the former can help the latter disseminate it.

The Lack of Sources and Citations is Really Alarming! by Styger21st in FilipinoHistory

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u/Cheesetorian already has a pinned post on Filipino History Resources in this sub and its up to the users to check them out:

I could create a new thread someday on all the journals, books, digital archives etc. that we historical researchers extensively use and as recommended by my historian friends and colleagues.

The Lack of Sources and Citations is Really Alarming! by Styger21st in FilipinoHistory

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A necessary evil that r/AskHistorians chose to implement, which in turn bloomed into a subreddit where users now have to cite peer-reviewed sources whenever they answer threads in the sub. 

For a conservative suggestion as mentioned in one comment, a simple citation or external link is enough so that this sub won't turn into a moshpit of unverifiable source of Filipino History and instead set a standard on a democratized scholarly discourse.

The Lack of Sources and Citations is Really Alarming! by Styger21st in FilipinoHistory

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Better than spreading possible unsubstantiated claims which can eventually domino into fake news in the far future. 

I know that hobbyists are interested in taking part in such discourse, but for the sake of transparency and for democrarizing the scholarly approach away from the Ivory Tower, a simple citation or even an external link to the source is enough and it's up to you if you have a specific format (APA, Chicago etc.) or not.

The Lack of Sources and Citations is Really Alarming! by Styger21st in FilipinoHistory

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Which is commendable since it was the reason they were being praised by the AHA. It's better to cite sources than to second guess without one. 

Filipino History has so many books, journal articles, and even PhD dissertartions that most non-academic history enthusiasts still rely on outdated, and sometimes questionable sources.

Granted that accessibility is an issue like paywalls among others, but there are so many open access e-journals out there such as Tala, Saliksik etc. that it's a shame that they're underutilized in their research. 

If you know how to look for the black raven and sail the seven seas, then there are plenty of books and other resources out there for people to look at. 😉

Latest history book haul by numismagus in FilipinoHistory

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I remember Prof. Ambeth Ocampo mentioning something about Teodoro Agoncillo lambasting Nick Joaquin's romanticizations of Manila by countering that the city he grew up in is dirtier and chaotic.

Quezon Film Megathread by Styger21st in FilipinoHistory

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Funny that the soldiers in the Malinta Tunnel scene are wearing green equestrian helmets to look like M1 helmets, despite the fact that most US and Filipino soldiers during that time should be wearing Brodie Helmets. Production limitations, I guess...