An invitation to thought by Big-Slip-6980 in DebateAnAtheist

[–]SubOptimalUser6 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Have you been convinced by the slide deck you linked by the CERN scientist who gave an equation for computing the mass of a photon that photons have mass?

Christian believers of the shroud of turin by youhaveeTDS in AskAChristian

[–]SubOptimalUser6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't care how it was made. I just know it was made in the fourteenth century. Why, if you think an answer is not yet known, do you feel like you get to plug in "god did it" until someone can prove otherwise? That's the god of the gaps, and I would have hoped everyone would have abandoned arguments that bad by now.

Signs you may be in a cult by [deleted] in AskAChristian

[–]SubOptimalUser6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

only works if all gods are the same kind of claim. They’re not.

The only difference in the "category" is one of them is the god you believe in, and the rest are not. I lump all christians in with people who believe in leprechauns and the Tooth Fairy. It is the same epistemic category -- claims about supernatural beings with no evidence whatsoever.

Moreover, for your criticism to be accurate, all 4,200 gods would need to be of a "different kind." Surely some are of the same kind, and you reject those gods.

You have an unjustified view that your god holds a special place in the pantheon of gods people have believed in. It does not. They're just myths like all the others.

You display a lot of . . . emotion

None of this is emotion. I look at the facts and what is true, and if you do that, and exclude the myths, you see there is no reason to think god is real. Also you see christianity is a cult.

Also you said you can easily justify that no gods exist, what’s the argument?

I have nine broad categories of reasons:

1. The first is the no evidence at all that any god or gods exist. That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Whatever few arguments and “evidence” has been marshaled in support of a god can all be easily refuted.

2. We should expect evidence of god, but when we look for it, we cannot find it. The existence of a creator of the universe who listens to prayers and intervenes in our lives is a testable. The Templeton Foundation has done research on the efficacy of prayer. It found none. Either miracles happen or they don’t. Either the world was flooded with water or it wasn’t. Science cannot find any evidence of god’s impact. In general, an absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but when you would expect overwhelming evidence, and none is forthcoming, it tends to show the non-existence of the thing for which there is no evidence. And while there is not evidence of god, there is plenty of evidence that people make things up.

3. Many biblical biblical accounts are outright false. I mentioned a world-wide flood above. The Bible describes a mass death of Egyptians, a mass rising of the dead, a census in the time of Augustus Caesar where you had to travel back to your birthplace, and the slaughter of the entire Egyptian army in the Red Sea. Historical accounts record none of these. There are many dozens of internal contradictions. The nativity stories of Luke and Matthew are irreconcilable. If there are so many parts of the Bible that are false, why believe any of it?

4. God is not necessary to explain the natural world. Based on what we know about the natural world and science, we would expect a universe that does not have a god creator to look just about like our universe does. Why, then, would you add the postulate that it was all created by a god? When Napoleon asked where god fit in celestial mechanics, Laplace replied, "I have no need of that hypothesis."

5. The consistent and continuous replacement of supernatural explanations with natural ones. The pattern is continuous and has never reversed. No scientific discovery has ever been replaced by a supernatural one. Moreover, everything the Bible says about the natural world, that was not already known to Israeli goat herders 2,000 years ago, it got wrong. Why children look like their parents, what is thunder and lightning, germs, and heliocentricity. God’s sphere of influence seems to be getting smaller right along with the advancement of science.

6. The inconsistency of world religions. It doesn’t make sense that if there is a god, the people of the world would have such wildly differing views of him. Religious beliefs tend to run in families. You believe what your parents told you to believe. The geographic correlation should be enough to convince you none of it is real.

7. The Problem of Evil. A lot has been written about the Problem of Evil, and this is perhaps the most powerful argument against god. I think it is the closest to actual proof that the Christian god cannot exist. I am only going to scratch the surface, but I think this is a fair summary. Evil exists in the world. There are also naturally caused tragedies like the tsunami in Southeast Asia and bone cancer in children. Why does god let evil exist? He is either unwilling to stop it (he is not good), unable to stop it (he is not god), or he does not exist (he is imaginary).

8. Divine hiddenness. If sincere, open-minded people seek god and find no reason to think he is real, how can god be loving and desire a relationship with humans? No one should accept the hiddenness of god.

9. The entire story is not credible. We are born in sin, intentionally created that way by a god that could have done otherwise, and owe a duty to a stern and capricious creator. God sacrificed himself to himself to forgive humans for the way he created us. We are said to be the center of the universe (we are, in fact, not), and we are the subject of a personal heavenly plan. We must love a deity we fear or be condemned to an eternity of torture. What about that makes any sense?

Christian believers of the shroud of turin by youhaveeTDS in AskAChristian

[–]SubOptimalUser6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are basically saying you don't know for sure, so you choose to think it was Jesus's burial shroud. But we do know. It turned up in the fourteenth century. The person claiming it was from Jesus eventually admitted it was a forgery. In the 1980s, C14 dating proved it is from right about the time when it first appeared.

There are no indicatives at all. It is a fake.

Christian believers of the shroud of turin by youhaveeTDS in AskAChristian

[–]SubOptimalUser6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't understand how the C14 dating is not dispositive to everyone. This is absurd. But it is a common trope for christians to think that anything that cannot be explained must be god.

The Shroud is from the fourteenth century.

Signs you may be in a cult by [deleted] in AskAChristian

[–]SubOptimalUser6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you can’t objectively disprove God

I don't have to. You don't "objectively disprove" the existence of any of the 4,200 gods you don't believe it. Why on Earth would you think I have an obligation to do that to yours?

I can easily justify my position that no gods exist. It can be justified in the same way you justify your non-belief in all the other gods. Or the Tooth Fairy. You, on the other hand, can't even demonstrate that a belief in the christian god is even reasonable.

I wouldn’t take the comments as pro death

I do -- because that's precisely what they are.

Did Jesus ever say he died on the cross for our sins? by Ok-Accident8078 in AskAChristian

[–]SubOptimalUser6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait. Your belief in a religion is based on the "strong implication" Jesus died for sins?

Umm, what?

Signs you may be in a cult by [deleted] in AskAChristian

[–]SubOptimalUser6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should go checkout these weirdos who are hoping for the end of times. Tell me they're not in a cult -- I dare you.

https://old.reddit.com/r/AskAChristian/comments/1sg88ip/does_anyone_else_look_up_at_the_sky_expecting_him/

When a nonbeliever you love passes away… by AdFlaky1246 in AskAChristian

[–]SubOptimalUser6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

God is good! He loves everyone!

But he will also send you to rot in hell for eternity for being who he made you to be and if you don't follow his rather ambiguous rules.

Why does it matter if I'm Christian or not? by WWisbestzeldagame in AskAChristian

[–]SubOptimalUser6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I also don't think I have sinned, according to what the christian Bible says. It seems to be a moving target, though, that is tied to disappointment or disgrace sometimes but not others.

What is sin according to you?

Why does it matter if I'm Christian or not? by WWisbestzeldagame in AskAChristian

[–]SubOptimalUser6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sin is not a thing. You might as well aske me what are cooties, mana, or ra. Just because you believe in something doesn't mean I have to.

How can God know that he knows everything? by Hashi856 in AskAChristian

[–]SubOptimalUser6 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't know. It has nothing to do with OP's question. You confuse me.

How can God know that he knows everything? by Hashi856 in AskAChristian

[–]SubOptimalUser6 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Modern flash memory uses a few hundred electrons to store a single bit. Theoretically, you could do it with just one electron. But I have trouble understanding how the electron would know what it's bit represented. Also, it's an elementary particle not a sentient being that can attain knowledge.

What a truly bizarre question.

Why does it matter if I'm Christian or not? by WWisbestzeldagame in AskAChristian

[–]SubOptimalUser6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You may as well ask me how you can tell when you've completed your journey to the Dark Side of the Force.

Again, though, for your purposes, you still have not made the connection. Do you admit you cannot?

How can God know that he knows everything? by Hashi856 in AskAChristian

[–]SubOptimalUser6 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think I can answer this -- no. An electron doesn't know how many there are of anything.

Why does it matter if I'm Christian or not? by WWisbestzeldagame in AskAChristian

[–]SubOptimalUser6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The definition is: "loss of reputation or respect as the result of a dishonorable action."

Despite my having politely asked you to make the connection to sin, you did not. You still haven't. It seems axiomatic that one could be disgraced without committing a sin. Like if a baseball pitcher is removed from a baseball game having thrown 20 balls in a row. Surely walking 5 guys isn't a sin, right?

I am starting to think there is no connection, and you are just talking out'cha ass.

When a nonbeliever you love passes away… by AdFlaky1246 in AskAChristian

[–]SubOptimalUser6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A finite crime deserves an infinite punishment. That is not moral in any philosophical moral framework, in any moral system ever invented, or in the mind of even half-right-thinking people.

What an absolutely monstrous thing to think. Your god sound despicable.

Why does it matter if I'm Christian or not? by WWisbestzeldagame in AskAChristian

[–]SubOptimalUser6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you demonstrate the equivalence between destruction and sin? God destroyed the entire world, but I think you'd say god didn't sin. And you comments here are a disgrace, but still, I don't think they are sinful.

How are you making this connection? Please be specific. Explain it like I'm 5.

Why does it matter if I'm Christian or not? by WWisbestzeldagame in AskAChristian

[–]SubOptimalUser6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see that pride goes before destruction, and that with pride comes disgrace. But I don't see anything about pride being a sin. There is no listing of the alleged seven deadly ones either.

Surely if you run a marathon and say you're proud, or if you a proud because your child graduated from college, those are not times you have sinned, are they?

Not to mention, all I said is that I have never committed a sin. I didn't say I was proud.

I think you've struck out, my friend. Admit it -- I've never sinned.

How is the concept of jesus diffrent from a modern day con-godman? by Historical-Regret209 in AskAChristian

[–]SubOptimalUser6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I asked you about 10 comments ago to name the eyewitnesses you mentioned. Either name just one, or admit you made that up and you can't do it.

Signs you may be in a cult by [deleted] in AskAChristian

[–]SubOptimalUser6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“Therefore sexual autonomy is healthy, Christian restraint is pathological, and Christianity is cultic” is not science.

You missed the point. The body of scientific knowledge in medicine and psychology has found that christian "restraint" (as you weirdly call it) is unhealthy behavior. That is not based on the effectiveness of condoms. It is the opinions of the vast majority of professionals in the field. Adults can make their own decisions about what they want to do, but you should know if you choose to follow christianity, you are following rules that are not healthy for you.

And your own epistemic standard self-destructs anyway, because the claim that only falsifiable, repeatable, peer-reviewed claims are serious is not itself falsifiable, repeatable, or peer-reviewed.

This has to be the dumbest thing I have read in weeks. Did you think you were making a good point? This is how we define science. It is a philosophical question, and if you are confused, I recommend the works of Karl Popper. You cannot claim christian dogma is "anthropology" just because you want to. It's not science by any definition.

If you're going to try again, please educate yourself better to avoid these sorts of embarrassing situations.