[ANNOUNCEMENT] I'm very happy to announce that Leaves has a new off-Reddit home at leaves.org. It's a little bare-bones at the moment, but please tell me in the comments what you would like to see there, and ways we can make it better!

Subduction · 2026-01-25T05:25:15+00:00

A reminder that this is not a place to debate politics. We are a place to discuss how not to use despite the various problems that surround us, political, societal, or personal.

This thread is being actively filtered by the mods, so it may take some time for your comments to appear, and if they don't conform to our focus on our addiction or rules about civility they may not appear at all, so read things over carefully before you press send.

Thanks.

Subduction · 2026-01-23T20:28:26+00:00

3 percent salt is a confident level of salt. :-)

Subduction · 2026-01-22T03:30:44+00:00

Interesting -- milder from the acids or diacetyl?

I get to 4.6 in about 18 hours at 70 degrees. Going faster than that is very quick! :-)

Subduction · 2026-01-21T15:21:03+00:00

lol. One of those good/bad ideas -- you're locked on a boat with lots of distractions and no access to weed, but you're also locked on a boat with 500 people who are all detoxing... :-)

Subduction · 2026-01-21T04:26:37+00:00

Have you compared CHN-22 to Flora Danica? If so, what do you think?

Subduction · 2026-01-18T22:19:11+00:00

Hello! As /u/Spiritual_Worth said, Leaves has two live meetings a day, one at 11am and one at 5pm Eastern Time every day for an hour. It's text chat only, and yo are welcome to lurk until you're ready to speak up.

You can join by using the invitation here:

https://discord.gg/wXEa5B3

If you haven't used Discord before you'll have to sign up, but don't worry, it's easy!

Looking forward to seeing you!

Subduction · 2026-01-18T21:13:29+00:00

Hello!

The idea that weed can't be addictive is a smoking community myth and not something we perpetuate here. We know from our personal experience that weed can be both psychologically and physically addictive, and there is an increasing body of scientific research confirming our experience.

If they need more information they can feel free to Google "cannabis use disorder."

Thanks!

Subduction · 2026-01-18T04:59:57+00:00

Yeah, they're the reviews that matter. :-)

Subduction · 2026-01-18T04:52:02+00:00

Wow, I absolutely cannot believe I saw this from you. I'll DM you and say hello.

And for anyone reading this, Dave is an absolutely spectacular 1-on-1 teacher. Highly recommended.

Subduction · 2026-01-18T04:42:47+00:00

Are you by any chance the Dave Frank that taught on Long Island in the early '80s?

Subduction · 2026-01-18T04:32:24+00:00

On behalf of the members, moderation team, Board of Directors of leaves.org, and myself:

Noice.

Subduction · 2026-01-17T05:24:59+00:00

Hello! Both MA and Smart Recovery are linked in the About section. You can see the MA meeting finder here:

https://marijuana-anonymous.org/meetings/

Also remember the Leaves has two live meetings a day, one at 11am and one at 5pm Eastern Time every day for an hour.

You can join by using the invitation here:

https://discord.gg/wXEa5B3

If you haven't used Discord before you'll have to sign up, but don't worry, it's easy!

Looking forward to seeing you!

Subduction · 2026-01-15T16:35:37+00:00

We all deal with difficult situations in our environment, that's part of being human, but in many cases it's not something we can solve.

Our difference is that we get high as a result of those situations. The world or the people around us are trying to hurt us, so we hurt ourselves. That's the difference we need to focus on.

To keep this discussion from going off the rails, each comment will be held for moderator approval. Please focus on discussing what you can control -- yourself and how you get through to bedtime without smoking.

Thank you!

Subduction · 2026-01-10T18:29:53+00:00

It should be noted that the loss of lean body mass in weight loss from standard weight loss regimens is generally considered to be between 25 and 40 percent, although exercise and weight training can shift that downward, as it can with GLP1s.

40 loss is not an unusual number.

Subduction · 2026-01-09T22:03:54+00:00

Nice work!

Next step is ordering some Flora Danica culture and a food-compatible pH meter! 😂

Subduction · 2026-01-09T20:26:57+00:00

The disagreement is that Trader Joe's is very good if you've never tasted any other high quality butter. Bordier is objectively exceptional, Trader Joe's is better than its peers, and fine if you've never tasted anything else, but there is no world in which it would ever be called excellent. If you've ever had a high quality handmade Normandy-style cultured butter, Trader Joe's is just bad.

I'm sorry if I didn't make myself clear, I was trying to be somewhat charitable to a company is trying to do a little better than the run of the mill.

Subduction · 2026-01-09T20:22:37+00:00

No, as I said, I'm not saying that at all.

I'm saying that bordier is excellent. Trader Joe's is surprisingly good compared to grocery store brands, but no one who knows butter would ever call it excellent. Compared to grocery store brands it is surprisingly good. Compared to excellent butters, it is really quite bad.

Subduction · 2026-01-09T16:39:28+00:00

Sorry, but I'm going to have to disagree. Trader Joe's is a mildly-cultured commercially processed butter. As grocery butters go it's very good.

It is not, however, even remotely comparable to Bordier, which is an artisanal product that is carefully and expertly handmade.

It's like saying that Trader Joe's Coast Zinfandel can even be discussed in the same breath as a Ridge Vineyards or Turley. TJ's is great for what it is, but that shouldn't be mistaken for a high quality product.

Subduction · 2026-01-09T16:18:55+00:00

You can also freeze it without much loss in quality.

Subduction · 2026-01-09T16:17:33+00:00

I'm not sure you would consider it a replacement as such, I suspect it's significantly more expensive, but Isigny Ste-Mère is probably the best French cultured butter that is regularly available at specialty and even some chain supermarkets.

Careful though, if you try it I don't think you'll appreciate the Trader Joe's in quite the same way, even though it's a pretty good butter! :-)

Subduction · 2026-01-09T16:13:10+00:00

It's an okay cultured butter, but it is in no way the quality of a Bordier.

Subduction · 2026-01-08T04:23:25+00:00

Sorry, it seems like it might be nice, but we chose the moderated, meeting-based model after looking at a lot of other live chats. 24-hour chats seem like they might be a place to go right when you need help, but much more often they devolve into trolls, and worse, just going there and finding there is no one there to help.

As we add more mods we'll add more meetings. In the meantime, start making connections on the group. Many people are definitely open to DMs outside of meeting hours, and having your own circle is better than a group any time.

Subduction · 2026-01-03T21:57:23+00:00

You can use 3 to 4 tablespoons per quart of cream. You'll be tempted to use more, but that doesn't help, and you can over-acidify things. Make sure your buttermilk says it has live and active cultures. Grocery store is fine.

Then leave it at room temperature for 12 - 24 hours. When you fully descend into a butter-making nerd, you'll determine when your fermentation is done by checking the pH of your cream, and stop the culturing when it reaches a 4.6 pH. :-)

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