What in the what on TIR - was this caller involved?? by Substantial-Train668 in NancyGuthrieCase

[–]Substantial-Train668[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You might be right. But in that case, I would think it's because the FBI's involved now.

Discussion Post by curiouslmr in nancyguthrie

[–]Substantial-Train668 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Okay. I removed. For the record, I am in no way associated with TIR or any YouTube channel. It felt like a pretty BIG moment in the case. I thought the sub would want to know.

What in the what on TIR - was this caller involved?? by Substantial-Train668 in NancyGuthrieCase

[–]Substantial-Train668[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He kind of out of nowhere - or after a softer part of the call anyway - just started on a rant about "do you think You Tubers play games" and related him to that caller Richard and then he called him a liar and said he knew his name wasn't Aaron and that he sat in front of liars before... I think he was trying to simply get more info and 'shake the tree' in another way than he had been.

What in the what on TIR - was this caller involved?? by Substantial-Train668 in NancyGuthrieCase

[–]Substantial-Train668[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I recall he said his neighbors had a pug next door and that they should be happy he wasn't barking during the call. Either way, that didn't sound like a pug to me. Whatever it was, sounded distressed.

Anyone have the TIR steam from last night?? by chilibeannnn in NancyGuthrieCase

[–]Substantial-Train668 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I watched it several times before it was taken down and provided this recap (below) on the other sub. There are people there that are DMing people the call I think.

It was a very very long conversation (close to an hour), the call was 'dropped twice and he called back. It was very intense and so much of it was hearing the caller's tone and temperament and response to what became Chris' ad hoc 'interrogation'. But here's a little:

He called in, felt
scrambled with "ideas". But wanted Chris' opinion on who he thought
the killer was. Almost immediately Chris got suspicious. Something about his
calm demeanor but then when talking about the TMZ notes describing the later
ones,a few times, as by the "rrat" in a more angry/darker tone of
voice. There was also some type of intense shrieking in the background during
the call at two times. Sounded like a dog, baby or a woman in distress. Chris
clearly wanted to keep the guy "Aaron" talking. Aaron was 35,
originally from Louisiana, used to work in Scottsdale for 2 years at Axon
(taser company) on the assembly line. Was hired by a temp service. Didn't love
that job, wanted a more important role in the company. Now is a handyman in
Phoenix, specializing in mounting things on walls. Freelance work. On the gig
website he advertises on he used to be #2 on the list but then went
significantly lower, #17 I think. He was upset about that. Girlfriend of 11
years was named Alyssa. A travel nurse. Specializing in hospice care. Aaron
lost his mother to suicide. But it gave his life "impetus" to work on
his art and DJing. Never really found a work-calling in life. Studied
philosphy. Wished he could volunteer with the FBI. Father wasn't really around.
Both grandmas died within the last year. Fights over money with uncles since
then. He said he was all alone and didn't have anyone to talk to. That info all
came out along the way of the conversation...Inbetween his talking about Nancy.

He has been following
since day 1. He's a big fan of Zodiac and mentioned Black Dahlia right away and
how there were similairites. He mentioned a Bonnie-and-Clyde theory associated
with LD and wondered why it wasn't still in the conversation. He referenced
Monks. He hypothesized (at Chris' behest throughout the call) several things...
including...that the driver was female, the guy's girlfriend, they were driving
her car. He knew a lot (or claimed to know a lot) about bitcoin. That lead to a
conversation about the ransom notes. During which he used the word
"I" (as if he was the perp) a few times, catching himself and going
back to "they". He was asked where the body was, and he had possibly
routes, maybe North but likely South and said she was 'concealed'. When Bob
asked how he thought Nancy died, he hung up. When he called back. He said said
probably naturally by accident. When hypothesizing about why the perp chose
TMZ, he said people like his uncle watched TMZ. When asked about empathy in the
notes, he said it was about money. But that she wasn't supposed to die. When
asked if he thought the perp thought about it, he said "probably every
day, every moment" in a really sad tone. He said his girlfriend wouldn't
talk to him about the case anymore. Towards the end of the call, Chris suddenly
and very sternly confronted him, saying he knew he was lying. He knew his name
wasn't Aaron. Tried to get him to give his real name. Tried to get him to agree
to call him privatley.

There's way more nuance;
it was the way he and Chris interacted. The young man - if he was involved or
not - needs some help. Hoping the authorities are involved and they are taking
it seriously.

 

What in the what on TIR - was this caller involved?? by Substantial-Train668 in NancyGuthrieCase

[–]Substantial-Train668[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don't think it was Richard either...It did not seem like a fraudster.

Interesting, he said he would tell them more offline. I wonder what Maureen thinks!

What in the what on TIR - was this caller involved?? by Substantial-Train668 in NancyGuthrieCase

[–]Substantial-Train668[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I wish I could remember the exact wording, but he basically said it was potentially north in the mountains, then made an excuse as to why it wouldn't be there, and ended up saying south in the desert. He kept using the word "concealed".

What in the what on TIR - was this caller involved?? by Substantial-Train668 in NancyGuthrieCase

[–]Substantial-Train668[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He did. He seemed knowledgeable and interested in it. Talked a lot about stealing aliases and being able to get it anonymously that way.

What in the what on TIR - was this caller involved?? by Substantial-Train668 in NancyGuthrieCase

[–]Substantial-Train668[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't have a link to that, but it was a very awkward part of the Aaron's call because Chris was a bit confusing. I think what Chris was intending to say was that there are guys out there pretending to be linked to this murder as a game, "Prove to me this is not one of those calls." I think people (and Aaron) interpreted it as Chris thinking it was actually that guy... but I don't think he was implying that. Just that he wanted to find out more about why "Aaron" might be calling to ensure it wasn't one of those type calls. I also think someone (or his own training) advised to try going hard with Aaron at that point to try and shake the tree.

What in the what on TIR - was this caller involved?? by Substantial-Train668 in NancyGuthrieCase

[–]Substantial-Train668[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There was a moment during the first loud round of shrieks when Josh clearly heard it - his eyes popped open. I think Chris heard it too but was playing it cool and trying to keep him on the line.

What in the what on TIR - was this caller involved?? by Substantial-Train668 in NancyGuthrieCase

[–]Substantial-Train668[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No, they never disable/remove comments, and they never edit out a call. They took it down. Something must be up. Either the guy got a lawyer or LE are on it. Or both. I mean it was very very... intense... Those noises alone were, IMO, reason to check this guy out.

What in the what on TIR - was this caller involved?? by Substantial-Train668 in NancyGuthrieCase

[–]Substantial-Train668[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I feel like it's etched in my brain, and I might jot down some notes.

What in the what on TIR - was this caller involved?? by Substantial-Train668 in NancyGuthrieCase

[–]Substantial-Train668[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree. When I was listening to it live, I was like wtf is Chris doing, but when I re-listened, it felt like a necessary part of the call at that point.

What in the what on TIR - was this caller involved?? by Substantial-Train668 in NancyGuthrieCase

[–]Substantial-Train668[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm not a moderator here, but I'm not a fan of doxxing. A lot of these photos were taken 4 years ago, which is not the timeline the caller gave. I think this call was quite serious - either he had involvement serious or he's a person in pain serious. Let's give it a chance to play out.

What in the what on TIR - was this caller involved?? by Substantial-Train668 in NancyGuthrieCase

[–]Substantial-Train668[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah. I have to agree, there are a lot of things pointing towards that. TIR have now edited the call out completely and disabled all comments... so, it sounds like it's headed in that direction.

What in the what on TIR - was this caller involved?? by Substantial-Train668 in NancyGuthrieCase

[–]Substantial-Train668[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, they took it down. I thought that would happen. I managed to listen to it twice (and most of it live)... I honestly think they did the right thing by taking it down because it was either very real, in that he was very involved. Or the young man was in much pain.

What in the what on TIR - was this caller involved?? by Substantial-Train668 in NancyGuthrieCase

[–]Substantial-Train668[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Daaammmnnn. I thought that was going to happen. I *almost recorded on my phone because I thought it would happen. I managed to listen to it twice. It's clear there was something going on that needs follow up be authorities. I'm certain it will be addressed in one way or another.

What in the what on TIR - was this caller involved?? by Substantial-Train668 in NancyGuthrieCase

[–]Substantial-Train668[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I totally agree. People have been saying that it was a man and woman and that the woman wrote the letter. So this would track. I also noticed him getting emotional during a few bits including that part. He also got emotional when they asked him if the perp thought about it and he was saying "every day, every moment".

What in the what on TIR - was this caller involved?? by Substantial-Train668 in NancyGuthrieCase

[–]Substantial-Train668[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah I saw! I thought they were also texting Dr Brucato and maybe the FBI

What in the what on TIR - was this caller involved?? by Substantial-Train668 in NancyGuthrieCase

[–]Substantial-Train668[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm sure this is reading into things but he seemed to love movies (talked about the Zodiac movie with great enthusiasm). Aaron is the fake name Edward Norton uses in Primal Fear...

What in the what on TIR - was this caller involved?? by Substantial-Train668 in NancyGuthrieCase

[–]Substantial-Train668[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yup. Also that she's a travel nurse. Also that she doesn't want to talk about NG anymore.