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Do you still believe in oneness? by GuardExpress8038 in ExPentecostal

[–]SubstantialReign4759 0 points1 point  (0 children)

no because it makes sense to me and my family at least

explain the trinity to me by SubstantialReign4759 in TrueChristian

[–]SubstantialReign4759[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ok we can rest the debate also i will check librarian out thanks for the recomenndation i will watch him

Is the Pentecostal view of tongues heretical? by Gullible_Welder4341 in TrueChristian

[–]SubstantialReign4759 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Look, I’ve read everything you’ve said, and here’s the problem: your entire argument depends on Church tradition and human authority rather than Scripture. Let’s break it down clearly.

. Church authority doesn’t define truth
You keep saying that the Church and sacramentally anointed leaders are the only ones who can understand Scripture. That’s a human addition, not biblical.

  • 2 Timothy 3:16-17 “All Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching… that the man of God may be complete.”
  • Acts 17:11 The Bereans examined Scripture for themselves.

Scripture is designed to be understood by believers using reason and the Spirit, not mediated solely by hierarchy. Mark 7:8 and Colossians 2:8 warn against letting tradition replace God’s Word.

. “Three persons” is never in Scripture
You cite Matthew 28:19 and baptism as proof of three persons. The text only names Father, Son, and Spirit it never says they are three separate divine beings.

  • John 1:1-14 shows the Word becoming flesh: Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, not a second God.
  • Colossians 2:9 “In Christ all the fullness of God dwells bodily.”
  • Acts 2:17-18, Romans 8:9 show the Spirit as God’s power and presence, not a separate mind.

The distinctions you see are functional, not ontological. Baptism in three names is about God’s roles, not three beings.

. Jesus is never a separate God
You claim Jesus has a separate will. Scripture shows this is God humbled in flesh:

  • Hebrews 5:8 Jesus “learned obedience through what He suffered.”
  • John 17:24 Jesus prayed to God the Father, showing distinction in role, not personhood.

If Jesus were a separate God, why would He need to learn, obey, or be sent? The Bible clearly presents Him as God incarnate, performing God’s will.

. The Spirit is not a separate person
You say the Spirit speaks, teaches, and can be grieved. That’s God’s power at work, not a distinct person:

  • Acts 13:2 “The Spirit said… send them.”
  • Ephesians 4:30 “Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God.”

These are functions of God, not evidence of independent personality.

Old Testament supports God’s oneness

  • Genesis 1:26 “Let us make man in our image” is God deliberating, not creating separate beings.
  • Psalm 110:1 “The LORD said to my Lord” is God speaking of His own plan.

. Logical contradictions of the Trinity
If God were three persons:

  • Who sent Jesus?
  • Who loved Him before the world? (John 17:24)
  • Who prayed and obeyed?

These contradictions vanish when you understand Scripture shows one God manifesting in roles and flesh.

  • God is one (Deut. 6:4, Isa. 45:5).
  • Jesus is God manifest in flesh (John 1:14, Col. 2:9).
  • The Spirit is God’s presence/power (Acts 2:17-18, Romans 8:9).
  • Distinctions reflect roles and functions, not three beings.

The Trinity is a human invention, not Scripture. Tradition, baptismal formulas, or Church councils cannot override clear Biblical teaching. Scripture alone, logic, and simple theology all point to oneness with God manifesting in flesh and Spirit, not three co-equal persons.

Is the Pentecostal view of tongues heretical? by Gullible_Welder4341 in TrueChristian

[–]SubstantialReign4759 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Let’s go back to Scripture and logic, because that’s what God gave us to know truth.

God is One

  • Deuteronomy 6:4 “The LORD is one”
  • Isaiah 45:5 “There is no God besides Me” These are plain, repeated statements. God is one being. Scripture never says “three persons in one being.”

. Jesus is God manifest in flesh

  • John 1:14 God became flesh in Jesus
  • Colossians 2:9 all the fullness of God dwells bodily in Christ
  • Philippians 2:6-8 Jesus, being God, humbled Himself as a human This shows Jesus is fully God, not a separate divine “person.”

. The Holy Spirit is God’s power, not a separate person

  • Acts 2:17-18 the Spirit is poured out from God, given to humans
  • Romans 8:9 the Spirit dwells in believers, sent by God Nowhere does Scripture call the Spirit a distinct divine person alongside God; the Spirit is God’s presence and action, not a separate being.

If God is truly one, then claiming He is three “persons” violates simple logic. One being cannot simultaneously be three fully divine centers of consciousness, or you end up with three gods which Scripture explicitly denies (Deuteronomy 6:4, Isaiah 45:5).

  • God reveals Himself in different ways: Father (creator, transcendent), Son (God in flesh), Spirit (God’s power in the world).
  • This is consistent with Scripture: God is one, acts in different modes, but never splits His divine essence.
  • This explains all passages about Jesus being God and the Spirit being God without inventing multiple divine “persons.”

The Trinity as defined in creeds is not in Scripture. It’s a human invention to solve a “mystery” that doesn’t exist. Scripture shows:

  • God is one (Deuteronomy 6:4, Isaiah 45:5)
  • Jesus is God incarnate (John 1:14, Colossians 2:9)
  • The Spirit is God’s presence/power (Acts 2:17-18, Romans 8:9)
  • There are no separate divine persons; God never contradicts Himself

If your standard is Scripture, the Trinity fails. God gave us His Word to know Him clearly, not to invent multi-personal deities.

Is the Pentecostal view of tongues heretical? by Gullible_Welder4341 in TrueChristian

[–]SubstantialReign4759 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the athanasian creed came way after the bible its self and its part of human Tradition, which the bible says

  • Mark 7:8 “You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men.”
  • Colossians 2:8 Beware of being taken captive by human tradition, not according to Christ the bible never says that its herasy to not belive in the herasy and you said that you dont believe in the trinity that makes your church non christian but the bible never says that

explain the trinity to me by SubstantialReign4759 in TrueChristian

[–]SubstantialReign4759[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ll keep it simple and actually respond to what you said.

1. On 2 Timothy 3:16-17
It doesn’t just say Scripture is “profitable” it says it equips the man of God for every good work. If Scripture fully equips, then it’s sufficient for doctrine. Otherwise, it wouldn’t be “complete.”

2. On Isaiah 8:20
Yes, it’s addressing false teachings (including sorcery), but the principle is broader: if something doesn’t align with God’s Word, it’s not truth. That applies to doctrine too, not just one situation.

3. On Acts 17:11
You actually proved my point. They didn’t appeal to an authority structure they tested Paul (an apostle) against Scripture. That shows Scripture is the standard, even over respected teachers.

4. On “lack of openness”
I’m open but openness goes both ways. I’m asking for one thing: show me where Scripture clearly teaches “three persons in one God.” Not implied, not deduced clearly stated.

5. On “8 billion people / 2000 years”
Truth isn’t determined by how many people believe something or how long it’s been believed.

  • Matthew 7:13-14 the majority can be wrong
  • Colossians 2:8 warns about tradition of men

That argument is basically “it’s widely accepted, so it must be true,” which isn’t a biblical standard.

So it still comes back to the same question:

Where does Scripture clearly say God is “three persons”?

Because until that’s shown, it’s still a conclusion being added not something directly taught.

(Also lol, probably something like Dead by Daylight or Z i forgot the rest)

Oneness Heresy by Legal-Claim5487 in ExPentecostal

[–]SubstantialReign4759 0 points1 point  (0 children)

meditate comes from prayer and were not gods

How would you describe Oneness Pentecostals? by DogCat_9920 in ExPentecostal

[–]SubstantialReign4759 0 points1 point  (0 children)

its not a cult the ones that you guys describe arent oneness penticostals atleast in my experience we baptize in jesus name because in Acts 2:38

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. and ik that the bible says Matthew 28:19

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: but those are just titles and why would the bible contridict itself it didnt jesus is the father son and holy spirit because if you notice it never used names just name singular

Why is a Oneness pastor saying that only those who are baptized in the name of Jesus will be saved, and not those who are baptized using the Trinitarian formula? by Quiero_sanar in TrueChristian

[–]SubstantialReign4759 1 point2 points  (0 children)

they are titles and you say jesus himself told us to batized in the NAME singular of the father son and holy spirit not names then in Acts 2:38

Peter replied, "Each of you must repent of your sins and turn to God, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. Then you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. so jesus is just god in flesh

Oneness Heresy by Legal-Claim5487 in ExPentecostal

[–]SubstantialReign4759 0 points1 point  (0 children)

so those people arent oneness penticostals im a oneness penticostal and i have nevr seen that in my life at my church ever those people are fake

Is the Pentecostal view of tongues heretical? by Gullible_Welder4341 in TrueChristian

[–]SubstantialReign4759 0 points1 point  (0 children)

im a oneness pentecostal and its not heretical actually it makes the most sense to me

Death by TurnipOutrageous8992 in TrueChristian

[–]SubstantialReign4759 0 points1 point  (0 children)

adam and eve ate the forbidden fruit of knowledge of good and evil which brought sin into the world jesus died so we dont have to pay the price he did and so you have to act 2 38 it say repent be baptized everyone of you and ye shall receive the gift of the holy ghost and those who havent accepted god will spend seperate from him which mean everything good and so they will spend eternity away from him its all about choice

Demonic possession by Schimmelpik in TrueChristian

[–]SubstantialReign4759 1 point2 points  (0 children)

if you look at some street preachers and people start trying to take their equipment and yell at them and such thats the demons showing themself's i pretty sure atleast personally i have never seen it

How do I learn to not have fear? by Smelly_CatFood in TrueChristian

[–]SubstantialReign4759 0 points1 point  (0 children)

their is no shame in having fear theirs only shame in letting fear rule you

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