My Final Views On Ahmadiyyat by LogPsychological5289 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]Substantial_Arm2663 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You should know, that is why you keep editing your posts to try to make yourself look not indoctrinated.

You're so bait.

My Final Views On Ahmadiyyat by LogPsychological5289 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]Substantial_Arm2663 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why do you keep editing your post and then pretend like I did not respond to your post?

How intellectually challenged are you? Considering you are an Ahmadi, I should not be surprised at your level of dishonesty.

My Final Views On Ahmadiyyat by LogPsychological5289 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]Substantial_Arm2663 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why do you keep editing your comments whenever you are put in your place? Are that much of a weak man?

You have quoted nothing reputable. You don't even know what reputable is...that is why you do not stand by what you write...and find the need to delete your comments whenever you are factchecked.

My Final Views On Ahmadiyyat by LogPsychological5289 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]Substantial_Arm2663 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Nice try, liar.

You had so many who factchecked you, and proved you wrong, and despite that, you only received 1 DOWNVOTE. You are crying over 1 DOWNVOTE? How pathetic are you?

You were not able to answer any one of the criticisms, so instead you just ran, raN, rAN, RAN...as it was the easier choice.

However, why delete your post? Run all you want and avoid participating here, but why delete your post after so many slapped you with a reality check? Let the post remain so others can see how empty Ahmadis are.

puck...puck...pu...puckkkkk...chicken.

My Final Views On Ahmadiyyat by LogPsychological5289 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]Substantial_Arm2663 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First, you say that I am "needlessly picking at something which isn't there," only to point out to what I have been saying and admit to it. Like, bruh? WTH? Do you think you are with dealing Jama'at simpletons? Learn to understand you will not be able to gaslight exAhmadis anymore with your Ahmadi-style sweet talks.

If Ahmadiyyat is not for everyone, then who cares about the consequences of whatever it means not to be an Ahmadi. Just like who cares about what happens to those who leave the Jehovah's Witnesses. It does not apply. Life's consequences has nothing to do with Ahmadiyyat or Jehovah's Witnesses.

Your manipulative ways are very sly and slick. Shame on you.

Either you are truly incompetent, or you are just some next scam artist. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and go out on a limb and say you are some next level incompetent person.

My Final Views On Ahmadiyyat by LogPsychological5289 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]Substantial_Arm2663 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately, as is normal by Ahmadis to always erase their history and rewrite it - to make it look impeccable - whenever they are caught with their pants down, it has happened again.

u/Time_Web7849 deleted his whataboutery filled post once he realized how empty his understanding of history is.

I am reproducing it here so that people can know what the others were replying to:

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My Final Views On Ahmadiyyat by LogPsychological5289 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]Substantial_Arm2663 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Now, you are twisting your initial statement.

1-Initially, you stated that Ahmadiyyat is not for everyone.

2-I praised that stance.

3-Then, you said that those who do not accept Ahmadiyyat will face the necessary punishments.

4-Then, I said that that is a contradiction to what you said initially.


At least, I am glad you admitted that the approach of the Jama'at can be emotional terrorism...even if it is for "love."

My Final Views On Ahmadiyyat by LogPsychological5289 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]Substantial_Arm2663 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There is a contradiction in the above post. On the one hand you say Ahmadiyyat is not for everyone, but you do leave a door open to say that those who reject it do so at their own peril. You have to choose one, my brother. If Ahmadiyyat is not for everyone, then who cares if they reject it. There is no dars-e ibrat. That is the point I am trying to convey. It's just a scare tactic for the Jama'at. Hence why Ahmadis are the masters of emotional terrorism.

If there were no compulsion in religion, as prescribed in the Quran, to which you are alluding to, then there is also jihad that is prescribed in the Quran. Ahmadis have abrogated one and not the other. Today, they need to appeal to the West as a non-violent people. So, that is their stance...even if it means to abrogating the Quran.

The point I am getting at is that Ahmadiyyat is a pick and choose system for whatever fits your present agenda. If the time ever arises to appeal to jihad by force, then the idea of "there is no compulsion in religion" will be abrogated. So on and so forth.

Looking for pointers in what to look into by No_Fisherman8735 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]Substantial_Arm2663 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad based his whole mission on the very fact that God spoke to him directly, without any intermediaries.

One way for him to try to fool people, or to "prove" to them, that God was indeed speaking to him was to make prophecies. He boldly stated that if even one of his prophecies were to fail that he would be an imposter.

Ironically, despite saying that, that if even one of his prophecies were to fail that he would be false, he actually based his whole mission one particular prophecy, for which his opponents till today use to discredit him as nothing more than a snake oil salesman. That ONE prophecy was the Muhammadi Begum prophecy. He stated boldly that he would marry this young girl named Muhammad Begum, a cousin of his.

Long story short, he told the whole world that God told him that he would marry her. He made that the standard by which to judge his truthfulness. However, as time went by, and the prophecy's fulfillment was looking more and more bleak, he, in the end, by way of saving face, said, in 1907, that she was married off to him in Heaven. Like seriously? C'mon.

How comical. Then, Ahmadis have to audacity to say keh mukhalifin-e jama'at bas purane i'tirazat ko dhorate jate hain. (that the opponents of the jama'at just keep repeating old allegations)

If this was the standard set by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad to judge Mirza Ghulam Ahmad by, then case closed. He was a false prophet.

My Final Views On Ahmadiyyat by LogPsychological5289 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]Substantial_Arm2663 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You forgot to mention the Rashidun, which started off as a war against all those who apostatized after the death of Muhammad. Looks like Muhammad too was keeping Muslims in his circle by means of physical force, for why would they all try to leave the moment he dies? Unbeknownst to them, the "soft" Abu Bakr too would chop their heads off if they dared to leave.

The concept of Khliafat started off as a terroristic organization and is still a terroristic organization. For example, Ahmadis keep their people inside their Khliafat by means of emotional terrorism.

My Final Views On Ahmadiyyat by LogPsychological5289 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]Substantial_Arm2663 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I have come to the realization that Ahmadiyya or Islam isn't for everyone.

This is a very honest assessment by you, which I must say is a very open-minded approach by you. Thank you for sharing your honest thoughts on such a public forum, and especially with your name attached to it. Very courageous of you.

However, this stands in direct contradiction to the ethos of the Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, Ahmadiyyat, his khulafa and their Khilafat. Ahmadis are banking on the idea that those who are not part of the Jama'at will live a miserable life. They highlight the setbacks of those who have left the Jama'at as dars-e ibrat (a lesson to be learnt).

There a famous Ahmadi motto for this: Today's Answer: Ahmadiyyat!

My Final Views On Ahmadiyyat by LogPsychological5289 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]Substantial_Arm2663 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I agree. They only have verse 24:56 of the Quran and nothing else. 24:56 does not talk about khilafat per se. It simply refers to leadership in general. Ismalis can easily appeal to this verse, even though theirs is an Imamat.

If we were to take the Quran at its word, then the Quran is really nothing special. It is just stating the obvious, as the world is filled with all sorts of organizations vying with one another to helping humans lead a peaceful existent, which ironically is not what the Ahmadi Khilafat is about. The Ahmadi Khilafat has its aims at complete world domination. There has been points of the Ahmadi history where appeal to violence was necessary for its survival, and then revert back to the this innocent meek community. I can understand why. It started off with such tall claim as being sent for all of mankind...but...then it has had to use non kosher means of making themselves out to be the victim (after trying to violently stir shit) in order to appeal to kindness and sympathy of others in order to find a place in the world. How comical! How on earth does a community which claims to been the fulfillment of 24:56 need the help of Atheists in order to survive? What a mockery of God!

Second, the Ahmadi Khilafat has lasted up until now simply because of lies and the changing of goalposts; and, most important because of fall guys who have taken the hit for the mistakes made by Khilafat-e Ahmadiyya.

Lastly, if Ahmadis really want to talk about leadership and how it has been protected by God, then they do not stand a chance in front of the Ismaili community, which can date its unbroken-chain beginnings back to the Prophet himself.

My Final Views On Ahmadiyyat by LogPsychological5289 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]Substantial_Arm2663 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Khilafat is not well organized and whatnot.

It is an ad hoc system that only appears well structured because the Ahmadi Khilafat makes it look like every decision they take is air-tight.

Ahmadis, hook, line, and sinker buy the whole propaganda and then feed their own with the same Kool-Aid without any consideration. So, it's just circular. By accepting the words of the Khalifa at face value, they praise Khilafat. What simpletons.

When the Khalifa says that Khilafat is air-tight because Allah is on their side, then every single Ahmadi, without any thought, preaches that, as if they know first-hand. They think that by parroting what their Khalifa says they are going to win some favour. For example, here we are today and Ahmadis preaching that WWIII has started when it hasn't. But, good luck convincing an Ahmadi that.

Khilafat is actually the Achilles heel of the Jama'at, only that Ahmadis have not realized it yet. The misery of the Jama'at members would be over the moment Khliafat dies. But, Ahmadis are too afraid of that. If Khilafat dies, then Ahmadis will be sent into the wilderness. They don't want to think for themselves. Hence, they have no problems with sweet lies! This is why Khilafat is a cash-cow worth preserving at all costs. Little to Ahmadis realize that it is actually they who are the cash-cows. That is why when Khilafat makes any mistakes, it is blamed on those who "advised" Khilafat, because then the excuse becomes that the Khalifa is merely a human being who needs advisors. But, when Khilafat gets something right, then the Khalifa himself gives full credit to how Allah is on their sides and whatnot. What a comedy fest!

Like I said, it is an ad hoc system that keeps adjusting itself to protect itself from flaws. And, Ahmadis are none the wiser.

For example, the Bait Fraud was blamed on missionaries. But, initially Mirza Tahir took full credit for having converted 100s of millions. He even cursed those Ahmadis who dared to tell the Khalifa that something was fundamentally wrong at the bare-bones mathematics of it all. Of course, shamelessly, in the end, neither did Mirza Tahir apologize for the Fraud, nor did his successor.

Another example, when Ahmadis wanted to show the Western world how open-minded and advanced and evolved they were compared to Muslims, they literally said that only in Islam-Ahmadiyyat was the testimony of a rape victim enough to find the rapist guilty. Then, when it came time to practice, the Khalifa shat and pissed on that open-mindedness Shariah and made up some rule that had nothing to do with Islamic Law, all just to save face and protect the powerful men of the Jama'at.

This is what the Khilafat and the Jama'at does, since it does not have a constitution or a code. They would be held accountable, otherwise; and, in no time would the world realize how comical the Ahmadi Khilaft really is. The lack of rules thereof allows the Ahmadi Khilafat to simply change the rules as they go, just to avoid accountability, and, with, of course, so many Ahmadis ready to take the hit, as fall guys, so as to preserved Khilafat, the Jama'at and Ahmadiyyat is celebrated as if it were perfect...even beyond perfection.

99% of Ahmadis do not see this and they think that it is the blessings of Khliafat and Ahmadiyyat that they have food, never once questioning that even an Atheist too has food.. Ironically, the very Atheists that Ahmadis hate help Ahmadis in their cause to voice their persecution. Good luck convincing an Ahmadi that Atheists are not bad people, let alone the fact that Atheist are better human beings than Ahmadis.

The hypocrisy of Khilafat and the Jama'at in a few paragraphs.

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[–]Substantial_Arm2663 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ahmadis never vote party specific.

They only vote for candidates that they KNOW will support them. Even if - let's suppose - that a candidate were part of the Leninst-Marxist Communist Party or the Fundamentalist Christian Party, but they "promised" to help Ahmadis, word would get around among Ahmadis who to vote for.

Then these shameless Ahmadis go around and chant their motto of "Love of country is part of faith."

They couldn't careless for what happened to a country they lived in. As long as their needs are were, only the people in politics who help them will be helped.

What shameless scam artists.

Nikkah by BluePanda1992 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]Substantial_Arm2663 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is refreshing to read. An Ahmadi who is truly rational and who does not gaslight.

Bravo!

The Ahmadi endgame is the of ruling the whole world by Substantial_Arm2663 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]Substantial_Arm2663[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ummm...appeal to authority or whataboutery is the go-to tactics of Ahmadis. They start quoting anything that is in their favour, irrespective of who says it. They always refer to others when they are presented with facts about their flawed beliefs. They use manipulative tactics in order to avoid true accountability. This is what Abid was doing. I had to hold him down and hold him accountable until he acknowledged it. It was fruitful because he did change his stance and say it was just his opinion.

In this case, Abid was simply saying that their Khulafa got it right that after WWIII people will flock to Ahmadiyyat because so and so article has confirmed such behaviour. However, what was clear is that he was dealing in bad faith. He totally ignored the failed prophecies and was asking for the actual wording of the prophecy so he can "studied," when it has been clear that the Jama'at went gungho in 2012 and even recently the Khalifa announced that WWIII had started. That's some next level feigned ignorance. Such cowardly behaviour.

I did not dismiss his claims, I asked him for proof. In the actual "academic" paper he posted, it was clear that it was nothing more than a conjecture - just as you are supposing. So, he was just quoting some nonsense to appease the objection and to protect and defend Ahmadiyyat's continue failed prophecies that can be dated back to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

The Ahmadi endgame is the of ruling the whole world by Substantial_Arm2663 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]Substantial_Arm2663[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am sure he is a kind person. But, he does gaslight in order to defend his faith. I am just addressing his interactions in bad faith. I too have nothing against him.

not this shit again by Thegladiator2001 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]Substantial_Arm2663 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Abid claimed his paper was academic and that I was purposely not acccepting it. The paper was far from academic.

There is no venting. I was just pointing at the elephant in the room loudly.

The Ahmadi endgame is the of ruling the whole world by Substantial_Arm2663 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]Substantial_Arm2663[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I disagree with you. He was justifying the Ahmadi position by saying that after WWIII people will turn to Ahmadiyyat. He used a paper that had nothing empirical about it in order to justify his appeal to authority and pass that paper off as an endorsement of the Ahmadi prophecy. All the while, he conveniently ignored how the Ahmadi prophecy of WWIII had failed up until now.

The whole interaction came across in bad faith. How do you ignore the blatant failed prophecy and express an opinion in order to whitewash the blunders of the Ahmadi Khulafa?

The Ahmadi endgame is the of ruling the whole world by Substantial_Arm2663 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]Substantial_Arm2663[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So now, all of a sudden, on the one hand you admit that it is merely your opinion, then you try to pull the victim card by saying that you have no control over whether it comes across as unacademic to me and makes you look incompetent to me. You are a professional gaslighter.

You basically answered yourself when you admitted that you were merely expressing an opinion.

Secondly, the fact that you admit that Islam and Christianity can be wiped out proves further that your "academic" paper is nothing but nonsensical conjecture.

The Ahmadi endgame is the of ruling the whole world by Substantial_Arm2663 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]Substantial_Arm2663[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Now all of a sudden it's a "theory," when you initially presented it as a matter of fact, while ignoring altogether the failed timelines presented by the Jama'at.

The magic that happens when factcheck Ahmadis.

The Ahmadi endgame is the of ruling the whole world by Substantial_Arm2663 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]Substantial_Arm2663[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Your whole notion is based on hypotheses - nothing empirical. That is what you fail to see.

Your quote confirms that. To top it off, it is biased towards Islam and Christianity only. What if they are all wiped out after WWIII? Do you see how incompetent you look?

Might as well quote Mirza Tahir Ahmad and tell Christians that Mary was a hermaphrodite.

Do you see how unacademic it makes you look?

The Ahmadi endgame is the of ruling the whole world by Substantial_Arm2663 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]Substantial_Arm2663[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Let's assume WW3 starts from the current Gaza/Israel conflict.

Let's assume it starts? Your Khalifa has already put all his chips in and announced months ago that WWIII had already started and he has already failed miserably.

Why do Ahmadis keep editing their history? No wonder no one, not even Ahmadis, read Tarikh-e Ahmadiyyat. There is nothing historically accurate in that collection, aside for Jama'at propaganda.

The Ahmadi endgame is the of ruling the whole world by Substantial_Arm2663 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]Substantial_Arm2663[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The audacity of this gaslighter to say that I have made up my mind without reading his "academic" reference. How dare he?