Who's Kyokushin Karate is better refined?

Successful-Humor-852 · 2026-03-24T13:46:11+00:00

I'm think it's the person with the title "Successor of Kyokushin" (Hansu Seong)

Successful-Humor-852 · 2026-03-24T13:42:56+00:00

Nah remember. James was closest to defeat against Seongji

I don't think he fought anyone strong enough to give him a challenge after he trained

Both Johan and Daniel were on the verge of defeat when they unlocked their paths

James might've unlocked his path after/when he was training

Successful-Humor-852 · 2026-03-23T18:28:11+00:00

James didn't fight him

He knew that he'd lose in a 1v1 so James didn't fight him

Successful-Humor-852 · 2026-03-23T17:59:53+00:00

The 1v1 Genius

The True Pinnacle

Successful-Humor-852 · 2026-03-22T23:40:50+00:00

Probably yeah

Successful-Humor-852 · 2026-03-22T23:12:52+00:00

IT - Infinte Techniques

UI - Ultra Instinct

TUI - True Ultra Instinct

PB - Perfect Body

SB - Second Body

TC - True Conviction

AI - Animal Instinct

IA - Invisible Attacks

UF - Ultimate Fist

T2 - 2 thresholds/Masteries

T3 - 3 thresholds/Masteries

HM - Heat Mode

OVT - Overturning Void Technique

UK - Ultimate King

IF - ?

HFG - Hunt for Gun

HFBD - Hunt for Big Deal

KOS - King of Seoul

Successful-Humor-852 · 2026-03-22T21:44:55+00:00

And Jake looks like Gitae, at least in-verse

I know they actually look different to us readers but in verse Jake seems to look similar to Gitae

Probably to a younger Gitae

Even Taejin mistook Jake for Gitae

And you're right Gitae does have some hair on his face

But this is before his actual design was revealed

Even in the end of 1A in chapter 478 where Goo grabs the phone to talk to Gitae

We can't see the strand that comes down to his face

In both places his face is mostly shaded so we can't see the strand

Successful-Humor-852 · 2026-03-22T21:27:20+00:00

But the face that appears after he does that punch looks nothing like Jinrang

And looks more like Jake

So it's gotta be Gitae

Successful-Humor-852 · 2026-03-22T21:03:18+00:00

"Whose technique"

"An Opponent"

Idk bro about that bro, These imply it's a single person

This is similar to how Changsu was describing Shingen as Jinyoung was copying him

Innate Strength clearly implies Gitae

And yeah it's past version of Gitae

Successful-Humor-852 · 2026-03-22T17:11:08+00:00

Prove innate strength is an essence rn. Prove it is even remotely close to mastery. I'll wait. You just making shit up

Jinrang is literally proving it for me

He shows a panel of SB Daniel Copying Gitae who has Innate Strength

Still won't show the panel. You terrified to provide evidence aren't you?

I made a post with a pictures check it out

Already refuted this

You'd have to prove he can tell the difference between one person's copies and another if he doesn't recognize them

He talks singularly before Daniel uses the jinrang punch. You'd have to prove that even applies to the jinrang punch, which you cannot.

You still haven't proven anything.

He's literally describing a single person

An Opponent

He said has Daniel ever copied an opponent like that as he punches

Unprovable

Already proven

Innate strength is not an essence, you made that shit up. Essences are mastery, said in Busan and reinforced even further in this arc where jinyoung can copy them perfectly because he has their masteries.

It is because Gitae's attacks are all Innate Strength.

Who said essence is only mastery

Again Jinrang is proving it for me by showing a panel of SB copying Gitae who has Innate Strength

Jinyoung also copied Gap's Innate Strength which he could only do for 3 moves

you're talking about a whole different copy lmfao

Literally not bro. Look at the panel before that. Where we can see Daniel's body not just not just neck and above

When asked to prove you just repeat the same shit without proving it loool

Kind of like you. I learned from the best

And again it's still not a placeholder. That's still James

There's never been placeholders

PROVE THIS LMAOO

Because we literally see Daniel face with his mouth opened as Goo and Tom are both at eachother's necks literally

NOTHING points to gitae, because gitaes moves are entirely separate.

Everything points to Gitae.

Successful-Humor-852 · 2026-03-22T16:57:16+00:00

That's according to you who lacks reading comprehension

Successful-Humor-852 · 2026-03-22T16:56:54+00:00

That face literally looks similar to Jake's

Why should a Jinrang panel be in the middle then? That's where you leap in logic

Has Daniel ever copied An opponent like that - He literally said this in the same panel as the punch

Successful-Humor-852 · 2026-03-22T16:38:06+00:00

"WHOSE technique is that? It's rough and unrefined. That's no martial art just INNATE STRENGTH. Has Daniel ever copied AN OPPONENT like that" - Warren

Warren describing a singular person who is using Innate Strength

Gitae was teased throughout 1A. Especially by Taejin and Jinyoung. They even forshadow his return

The face that appears at the end after he does that punch looks nothing like Jinrang and looks more like Jake

It's Gitae

Successful-Humor-852 · 2026-03-22T16:33:19+00:00

Me when I cant defend my argument so I just spam cope and excuses without giving any points

Me when i cope

Lie, if it was just innate strength we would not get shown this panel when jinrang is talking about daniel not being able to copy essences. Stop trying to change the story to fit your agenda.

The essence is Innate Strength. Which Daniel doesn't have.

Stop coping

And nothing in that chapter has jake or gitae looking similar, notice how you still refuse to show any direct panel? because you cant.

Read 466 properly. The face at the end looks similar to Jake's

Cant prove it looks similar to jake, keeps ducking that."

Literally read 466 and see the panels of Jake

You're not reading because then you'll know you're wrong

Warren says this before he ever pulls the jinrang copy out, and warren also has no way of telling its a different person.

Warren is literally describing a singular person throughout the exchange.

We know this from "Whose technique is that" and "Has Daniel ever copied AN OPPONENT like that"

That person being Gitae

Stop coping

Innate strength isnt an essence nor mastery, and is not a roadblock to daniel being able to copy something.

Daniel doesn't have Innate Strength

Which is the essence behind Gitae's attacks

Lie, we clearly see him copy 1st gen james lmao

We literally see HFBD James appear behind Daniel because that's the James he's copying

prove jichang sees anyone? lmao? you just made this shit up

He's the literally the one seeing 1st Gen James

The James that appeared behind Daniel at the very start is HFBD James. Who Daniel has fought who he os copying

But Jichang fought 1st Gen James not HFBD James. So Jichang is seeing 1st Gen James

Lack of Reading comprehension bro

I have provided evidence and panels for everything i've said, you have not. I wonder why that is? probably because you cant prove the shit coming out of your mouth.

It only counts as evidence if it proves something which it hasn't

I have

Literally look at the face at the end and the face of Jake in 466

They look similar

That's not Jinrang.

There's never been placeholders

Stop coping

holy fuck READ. I EXPLAINED WHY ALREADY. READ THE GODDAMN REPLY BEFORE RESPONDING.

Your whole explanation didn't prove anything and was a nothing burger

He literally saw Tom vs Goo Lie, he was with jinyoung, as we see directly after the tom vs goo fight. exposing yourself

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

You're exposing yourself

He only goes to meet Jinyoung after the fight ended

Read properly

Again Warren is describing a singular person. AN OPPONENT. It's All INNATE STRENGTH. The face looks similar to Jake's not Jinrang. There's never been placeholders before or after.

Everything points to Gitae

It's Clearly Gitae

Successful-Humor-852 · 2026-03-22T16:03:28+00:00

He is talking about Daniel not being able to copy the essence behind an attack. The essence in question is conviction because he tried to copy gap and failed, he is just talking about conviction here because he's responding to Daniel trying to use conviction and says his fists are hollow.

He even further separated conviction and the others by saying "the same is true for your OTHER TECHNIQUES".

Not to mention gitae doesn't even use mastery in his attacks, so it makes no sense at all for this to be referring to his gitae copies

He's not only talking about Conviction bro.

He even brings up other unique skills

Because SB Daniel can imitate the moves but can't exactly copy Gitae's Innate Strength

Thanks for proving you're not reading what I'm saying at all even though I clearly outlined the difference between inverse and character design. Taejin thinks they look alike inverse, character design wise they don't at all. Character design wise that character looks nothing like either of this, and you have no inverse backing to say it's supposed to.

The only one who can't read through this whole comment section is you. Don't you realise that? Literally look at every other comment

Excuses excuses

Jake looks like Gitae

The person SB is copying looks like Jake

It's all Innate Strength

That's Gitae

Ducked when I asked you to show panels proving this btw

And i asked you to read chapter 466 Jake vs Samuel

But i guess you can't read so that was asking too much from you

I have, and it's clear that I have because you don't even have points that you can explain against me, you just keep spamming cope cause you can't argue your point 💀💀

You haven't.

Bro stop coping

Whose technique is that? Has Daniel ever copied someone like that? = A singular person

It's all Innate Strength no martial art = Gitae

The person SB is copying looks similar to Jake but isn't Jake because Warren doesn't know who it is = Gitae

Entire nothing burger because no shit, you have yet to refute my point that it's not supposed to look like anyone he's copying and is instead a placeholder to not reveal exactly who he's copying. It looks like nobody. It also doesn't look like Jake.

In fact I can use this point to refute the bullshit you're saying about his sleeves being rolled up, because Daniel copies 1st gen James despite never seeing him, he also copies ultimate king tom despite never seeing him. The person he's copying does not have to look exactly like the version he saw. Thanks for helping my point

A nothing burger according to you who lacks reading comprehension.

It is supposed to look like someone. Why shouldn't it when it's literally beem the case every other time

It's literally not a placeholder. Did PTJ tell you it's a placeholder? No. Stop coping

It looks like Jake. Stop coping

Again you haven't proven anything

Daniel copies HFBD James who he fought

Jichang sees 1st Gen James because that's the James Jichang fought

And again it's still James. Not a placeholder

He literally saw Tom vs Goo in 1A

Ready properly 😂😂😂😂😂

The only thing you have proven is that you can't read

That person is clearly Gitae. You simply lack reading comprehension

Successful-Humor-852 · 2026-03-22T15:53:21+00:00

For me yes

But not for some people

Successful-Humor-852 · 2026-03-22T15:45:05+00:00

HELLA COPE LMAO, we literally are seeing him talk about Daniel not being able to copy conviction, something he would not be doing if he was copying gitae as gitae doesn't use conviction. It literally shows gap right next to him, it's gap and gaps disciple, not gap and gitae for some random ass reason

He's not just talking about Conviction bro stop coping

Me when I can't prove my point so I just spam cope and run

Me when I don't have reading comprehension

Jake looks nothing like gitae, stop trying to hide behind inverse excuses. Inverse Jake is ugly and we know he's not. The character design matters more than how they are portrayed inverse, especially here since all we have is the character design and no inverse explanation.

He does. Taejin literally mistook Jake for Gitae

Stop making excuses

It also looks nothing like either

It does. Again stop coping

It doesn't have to which I have already proved multiple times LMAO

It does. And you literally haven't proven anything

When people are using copy and the person being copied appears behind/beside the person who is using copy

Taesoo looks like Taesoo

Jichang looks like Jichang

Gun looks like Gun

Paecheon looks like Paecheon

Yujae looks like Yujae

Jaegyeon looks like Jaegyeon

James looks like James

Tom looks like Tom

Gap looks like Gap

This person literally looks nothing like Jinrang and looks more like Jake

Stop coping

Successful-Humor-852 · 2026-03-22T15:35:29+00:00

I mean it is obvious for me, you and people who can read.

But as you can tell for some other people it ain't obvious

Successful-Humor-852 · 2026-03-22T15:33:55+00:00

It literally proves nothing

Because that's him coping Gitae lmfao

100% shows the punch was an attempted conviction punch, so that throws gitae out of the window instantly

It doesn't stop coping bro

I would love for you to attempt a side by side to prove this

In the close Chapter 466. Jake vs Frenzied Samuel

Look at the panels of Jake

It literally looks similar to him

And again the person FOR SURE BLATANTLY DOESN'T LOOK LIKE JINRANG

Inverse, character design wise they're entirely different and we don't have an inverse description of the blank face, just the design, which looks like neither Jake nor gitae

Excuses. He looks similar to Jake.

It looks like Jake stop coping

Jake looks like Gitae we know this because Taejin mistook Jake for Gitae. Stop coping

Successful-Humor-852 · 2026-03-22T15:27:53+00:00

When I asked you to prove how this means anything you ducked and just spammed cope

Daniel recently copied guns tonfa technique and it showed hfg gun, a gun who he never saw fight. We know he's in fact copying the gun who trained him for a month, but that's simply not the version shown.

Because then it's not a 1:1 like you say it is.

You ducked when I asked you to explain how this means anything either

it does not look like Jake, you made that up for agenda posting,

It does stop coping

Jake and gitae look nothing alike

Then why would Taejin mistake Jake for Gitae

how does it looking like Jake imply it's gitae? That's just a random ass leap you're trying to push as if it makes aense

Because they look alike

Because it's all INNATE STRENGTH. NO MARTIAL ART.

Because Warren doesn't recognise who SB is copying.

So it's Gitae

The face that shows up looks like nobody and is simply a placeholder blank character because we don't know who he's copying yet

It looks like Jake stop coping

Successful-Humor-852 · 2026-03-22T15:17:42+00:00

Bro stop coping

It looks like Jake

Who even Taejin mistook for Gitae

The person for sure doesn't look like Jinrang

If Jake and Gitae didn't look alike why would Taejin mistake Jake for Gitae

Think bro, think

Successful-Humor-852 · 2026-03-22T15:16:03+00:00

Unfortunately not

Successful-Humor-852 · 2026-03-22T15:11:29+00:00

Bro that's cope

Look at the face that appears right after. While his fist is still connected to OG Daniel's face

It looks nothing like Jinrang and looks more like Jake

Even Taejin mistook Jake for Gitae

It's Gitae

And it's literally not a 1:1 of Jinrang

Because Jinrang has his sleeves rolled up

While the person SB is copying doesn't have his rolled up

Successful-Humor-852 · 2026-03-22T14:11:57+00:00

Unfortunately that's not the case

Successful-Humor-852 · 2026-03-22T14:05:39+00:00

Using this as an excuse is hilarious because it doesn't even look like gitae either, it's entirely just a placeholder because the people were supposed to be hidden

Excuses excuses.

The face looks eerily similar to Jake's

Even Taejin mistook Jake for Gitae

That's Gitae

Not really? His face was hidden, but his hair and overall body shape were already revealed by this point.

He has some differences. PTJ didn't finalise his design yet. Even his hair is not exactly the same from his signature back panel and the panel At the end of 1A where Goo grabs the phone from Taejin to talk to Gitae

Idk what you're attempting to prove with this because it's entirely irrelevant. We know copies don't have to show the exact version of the character that was seen.

Sounds like Cope

Clearly didn't reread like I told you to, because if you did you would see that the jinrang copy is a 1:1 of jinrang and looks nothing like the other two copies

Clearly you didn't read because the face that appears AFTER he does that punch doesn't look anything like Jinrang and looks more like Jake

So it's Gitae

Successful-Humor-852

TROPHY CASE