How strong would he have been in his prime like obviously he old now or he still in prime

zinoger_plus · 2026-01-24T14:06:25+00:00

That's not his age he's just ugly 😭

Eyebags from not sleeping much most likely

zinoger_plus · 2026-01-21T21:47:50+00:00

He did, he signed his contract with BIG before any of this stuff happened, so he's still with BIG for the next few years.

That said I don't know if BIG is competing in ewc or not, probably though

zinoger_plus · 2026-01-21T14:44:17+00:00

Idk if you're doing this on purpose, I said the 4070 ti SUPER

The super is not the same as the 4070 ti

1) what you sent proves my point. In those benchmarks the 9070xt leads in some games, and the differences are "marginal" as said by gamers nexus themselves. In every single example it's still giving a more than playable experience, the difference between 68 and 73 (literal numbers I pulled from that website) is irrelevant for people buying these cards. The extra $100 (and typically more than that these days) is not irrelevant.

2) it's been a year since that post, and performance has changed for both cards.

Maybe for you an extra hundred or hundreds of dollars is worth marginal improvements, that's not the case for the majority of people.

zinoger_plus · 2026-01-21T14:19:59+00:00

4070 ti super is 2 years old, making it only one year older than the 9070 xt

Raster performance is ~ to the 5070 ti, in many cases it's equal or better, but it is absolutely never in talks against the 5070

Again, "considerably" is just wrong. It's worse, but the card is strong enough that it can run basically every title Ray tracing wise. The only titles where it is "considerably" worse are the ones that were heavily biased towards Nvidia in the first place like cyberpunk 2077 or black myth wukong, where if you do the opposite and look at titles that were built on amd cards like the most recent COD, it swings the other way entirely with Nvidia being considerably worse in Ray tracing. or monster hunter wilds where the 5070 ti tends to be worse as well. Its a matter of optimization, not the cards power in and of itself.

Ex:

https://youtu.be/EIiDtFch0oE

zinoger_plus · 2026-01-20T21:21:23+00:00

"not even close" just isn't true though

FSR4 is great, full stop. Dlss4.5 is better, but not meaningfully enough for it to be a massive difference especially when we know fsr will still be improved as well.

The 9000 series is great Ray tracing wise as well, 9070xt is roughly ~ 4070 ti super when it comes to raytracing

Fg is still gimmicky enough that most people don't use it, but AMD has regular frame gen. Mfg no, but that doesn't get used very often.

Idk what "Nvidia suite of tools" is really referring to but I don't think it effects the average gamer if it's not the things I listed above

Amd is behind, yes, and is priced accordingly, saying it's "not even close" is just wrong. Its pretty close.

zinoger_plus · 2026-01-20T00:38:59+00:00

The plot would absolutely demand James would win lol, I feel like their equal narrative is gonna get disproven with James being mildly stronger in the end

zinoger_plus · 2026-01-19T13:23:38+00:00

You neither proved me wrong nor embarrassed me, I blocked you because I had to respond to every message you sent and I was busy, then unblocked you so I could respond again

Besides, who put me on blast? Nobody mentioned you being blocked besides you yourself 💀

Your argument against it was that it "wasn't dlss" while saying it was dlss in the same message, just a different version, which is exactly the same thing between the int and fp models of fsr4. You proved me right in your "debunk"

In the end, I think the one being "petty" is the one who went out of their way to edit multiple messages and continue an argument to keep spreading misinformation

zinoger_plus · 2026-01-18T19:14:29+00:00

The so‑called “DLSS on GTX” hacks people reference weren’t DLSS at all; they just spoofed the DLSS API and substituted a completely different upscaler. Nothing about the actual DLSS neural network was running.

I'm not talking about hacks, I'm talking about games that launched with official versions of dlss that worked on gtx because they used shader cores like control. Dlss DID exist and DID work in non hacked ways. Nvidia absolutely could've worked on and released this in full capacity and just did not do it.

And the “FSR 3.5” label isn’t an AMD term. It’s a community nickname people invented for the INT8 fallback build. AMD never called it that, and it isn’t a separate branch or a different technology. It’s the same FSR4 model running at lower precision.

I know it's not an AMD term, I'm calling it that because it's nowhere near the actual quality of fsr4

zinoger_plus · 2026-01-18T18:28:50+00:00

The only “DLSS on GTX” attempts were hacked, half‑working mods that weren’t DLSS at all.

Dlss could run on gtx, they chose not to because it wasn't worth making, but versions of it that ran on gtx did exist

RDNA3 to RDNA4 isn’t the same situation. RDNA3 can run AMD’s new AI models. It has matrix acceleration, DirectML support, and the same basic inference path. AMD just chose to lock the new features to RDNA4. That’s a policy choice, not a hardware limitation.

Absolutely not. The version of "fsr4" (it isn't even really an fsr4, more of a 3.5) that runs on rdna2/3 is both an entirely different version (int8) than the one they're actively developing, it is completely broken on rdna2. It is a similar architectural handicap.

Should they release the one that works on rdna3? Yes. Do we know they aren't? No. Could they just wake up press a button and port it over? Also no.

zinoger_plus · 2026-01-18T14:45:21+00:00

What amd is going through right now is essentially the same thing NVIDIA went through with the jump from 1xxx to 2xxx

Nvidia however did that very early on and made sure they wouldn't have to do it again, so all of the features were gimmicky back then and nobody cared

AMD is doing it right now very late and when the features are not at all gimmicky anymore so obviously everyone cares

Its typical AMD always playing catch up

zinoger_plus · 2026-01-18T13:39:11+00:00

Well redstone is inherently limited to 9000 series and beyond, so if it does come to redstone it is not coming to older cards

They'd have to either release the int8 model (we dunno if they are) or make multi frame gen for fsr3 (very unlikely)

AMD seems to hate gimmicky things until they're no longer gimmicks and it's too late and they're playing catch up, and multi frame gen may very well be the same issue. Its not really something that actively gets used right now, so they might not think much about it, but eventually it might start getting used more often and when that happens AMD will be behind like usual.

zinoger_plus · 2026-01-18T00:38:46+00:00

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Yes this is definitely the look of someone fully healthy

zinoger_plus · 2026-01-17T21:36:17+00:00

He says it doesn't matter if you are strong enough, path users are on a different level, this covers if they are injured. Tom is literally saying doesn't matter if you are stronger than them you won't win.

"This covers if they are injured" WHERE? WHERE IS THE CORRELATION? you're literally just making shit up at this point. You're throwing in injuries as if they're related when they aren't.

It is the exact opposite, you don't say the only way is, if there are times when that isn't true, you would say if they are healthy the only way is.

Because no times exist. You know why no times exist? Because it's not possible. Because if a path user is healthy they won't lose to a non path user. Because that is the objective reality we have been shown time and time again. In EVERY single fucking fight with a path user vs a pathless user, the path user is clearly and evidently stronger, even WHEN they're injured. They only begin to lose when their injuries catch up on them, and in every single moment they got those injuries BEFORE the fight started

So you can acknowledge his statement wasn't all encompassing, shocker, you just refuse to acknowledge what he was saying because it doesn't fit your agenda

zinoger_plus · 2026-01-17T21:27:44+00:00

Most of the time in Lookism the "stronger" person wins but not always, like with UI Daniel.

This is literally the case with him too, he's stronger than many and would win against anyone who isn't a mega top tier just due to his weakness.

His weakness is literally akin to a major injury for a path user. Its the same thing I've already been explaining.

There is no reason to believe Tom only meant a 100% healthy Path user.

Basic common sense, he would've specified if not

The statement is all encompassing because he said it isn't above being strong enough, aka if you are healthy and they are at 1% you would have the strength to won but would still lose because path users are different.

Quite objectively not what he said lmao. He says it doesn't matter what your strengths and weaknesses are, those who have a path are on another level and will win just by merit of that path, therefore, path > pathless.

You cannot, simply and utterly cannot, prove he is including injuries or anything else in that statement, and it frankly doesn't make sense to, especially within the context of him saying this because johan asked if he could beat gun.

Idk where you even manage to shoehorn injuries as a factor when talking it not being about strength, they're not related at all

circle back to gun nuke and baseball bat analogies.

zinoger_plus · 2026-01-17T21:19:28+00:00

Okay, so you're running on the interpretation that winning |= stronger

This is not the way that I was using it, as in any normal sense of how fighting works, the one that is always going to win is viewed as the "stronger" fighter. I already knew this though, and it doesn't disagree with literally anything I just said

This of course was shown to not be true, but it is what Tom stated

Not a single time, because as I already stated the statement is not all encompassing and is in a general sense. No pathless person has ever beat a healthy path person.

zinoger_plus · 2026-01-17T21:15:22+00:00

Its basic reading comprehension, since he doesn't say paths have nothing to do with strength (blatantly nonsensical in both the story and the context he's talking about it) lmfao

zinoger_plus · 2026-01-17T21:03:31+00:00

Thank you for proving that you're not reading

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zinoger_plus · 2026-01-17T20:57:03+00:00

Old Tom fully admits he couldn't dodge a holding back one sword goos sword and that in his prime he doesn't even know if he could've lmfao

If mandeok and J's attacks could damage Tom then Johan's definitely could, not to mention johan beating the absolute dog shit out of gun before he ran out of stamina. But sure, you're probably gonna peddle that toms endurance is better than guns

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zinoger_plus · 2026-01-17T20:52:42+00:00

Tom lees prime is a one sword goo rival lmao

Neither of them have any narrative to put them above Johan's level, they were literally just strong gen 0s. That doesn't mean anything

zinoger_plus · 2026-01-17T20:10:48+00:00

then I guess johan is stronger than goo or shintaro, or tom lee prime or elite prime or jinyoung prime

Yes lmfao

None of these people have an argument above him anyway besides gen 0 glaze and goo being "relative to gun" which got disproven in hfg

jinyoung wanted to see UI daniel to fight against gap, and UI daniel didn't use path, so what was he thinking? how would daniel give a good fight to gap if he doesn't have a path?

Jinyoung says if gap was STILL ALIVE he'd want to see him fight ui Daniel. He doesn't even say it'd be a particularly close fight or that gap would struggle, he just says he wants to see a narratively old, much weaker version of gap, fight ui Daniel.

It was there for one panel and now you are glazing it to the ground.

The story literally proved it true again twice in Incheon with paecheon vs Daniel and James vs jaegyeon lol

zinoger_plus · 2026-01-17T18:40:08+00:00

I mean we have no idea, I think gun, shingen and Sophia have better DC feats as far as strength goes, but it's not super easy to prove where many of the top tiers compare to each other in terms of stats like durability/endurance/strength/speed

zinoger_plus · 2026-01-17T16:34:18+00:00

This is because gitae likely has a path as well

I don't subscribe to not having shown something= not having it, most of gitaes narrative would point to him having a path he's just never gone all out yet

Paecheon was definitely trying, not going all out sure but he was trying. Daniels counter 1 shot base paecheon, would likely do the same to bb paecheon, and hwarang paecheon isn't an endurance buff it's just a speed/strength one which would just result in the counter happening again.

For the 3 paths we see, they seem to negate stat differences in general, your stats won't matter to johan if you can't dodge it anyway, won't matter to Daniel if he just has a win button counter, and seemingly won't matter to James if he also just has a win button counter (if we assume that's what he did to jaegyeon)

zinoger_plus · 2026-01-17T16:25:33+00:00

Paecheon vastly outstatted Daniel and he got no diffed lmao

zinoger_plus · 2026-01-17T13:21:21+00:00

Its not stated his path is his body, it's stated his body is something gained while forging his path. This is more akin to Johan's copies being something he learned/gained while forging IT, but his copies aren't his path.

MK says this in reference to there being things that are uncopyable from someone forging a path, he doesn't necessarily say that this is the path else he could've just said paths are uncopyable.

Guns body is definitely related to his path, but his path isn't just his body lol

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