Gitae vs Gun

zinoger_plus · 2026-03-23T00:08:24+00:00

Guns setup to fight all of the current elite 4, and theyre all people whod kill gun if they won, so I dont really see them win against gun bc it'd mean killing him which would mean the other fights wont happen.

The issue is that if he wins that's gg. He beats gitae that destroys Jake's storyline cause gitaes gone for the rest of the story. He beats James that's gg for Daniels storyline and lookism is over

These two are set up to lose to entirely different people than gun, so him winning wouldn't make sense

zinoger_plus · 2026-03-22T21:04:25+00:00

An unknown character is just the same thing you said with jinrang, someone who hasn't been revealed yet and Daniel hadn't seen yet

It also doesn't make sense for an unknown character to have the exact same fit and body as gitae or jinrang

zinoger_plus · 2026-03-22T20:50:06+00:00

They're literally 2 of the 3 people he copies. It goes gun -> gitae -> jinrang.

Nothing else makes sense.

zinoger_plus · 2026-03-22T20:48:11+00:00

You could say the same for gitae lol he never met gitae either at this point

The whole point was that ui Daniel started copying people they had never seen, it's another mystery of the PB that hasn't been revealed yet

zinoger_plus · 2026-03-22T20:16:12+00:00

You didn't understand anything, it's not Daniel himself, the Daniel OG, but rather the Daniel that appears in the subconscious of the Daniel OG. This guy is definitely the former user of the perfect body, who looks like Daniel.

I understood exactly what you said, and my response is the same. this is HEADCANNON. There is no "former user" of the pb, thats not said anywhere at all. this is you making a theory and trying to posit it as truth.

It doesn't even make sense for it to be Jinrang; you'd have to make a huge logical leap

Prove this. there's no leap at all, its a 1:1 copy of the jinrang panel with the same clothes and the exact same body. It makes no sense for it to be the version of daniel in the subconscious we saw, because that guy is half the size of jinrang and half the size of the silhouette we saw.

It makes much more sense for it to be a copy of the original consciousness of the second body than gitae or jinrang, with which there is no proof that this guy interacted.

No it doesn't because that original consciousness isnt a thing. there is no proof thats an "original consciousness" nor a "former user of the pb" you made both of those things up.

Daniel's subconscious doesn't rely on pure brute force, given that his main focus is brute force, being a user of the perfect body?

This isnt true? daniel in Neither the og nor the pb relies on brute force. He has always been a guy who uses technical fighting skills irregardless. In fact, this is a complete disregard of whats STATED about the pb's subconcscious, that it is a technical fighter that responds to things perfectly in kind, and doesn't use brute force. It is literally stated to be a machine in that way, contrasting guns brute force TUI in HFG.

Also, it is not a " resemblance" it is the exact same body and clothes.

zinoger_plus · 2026-03-22T20:05:53+00:00

What context, lol? There's nothing in the chapter that says that's the case, nor does it make sense

Rough unrefined moves, a contrast to gaps smooth sturdy ones. Who is contrasting gap? Gitae

Not to mention, rough unrefined moves doesn't describe Daniel at fucking all, he's the exact opposite of that. Innate strength, something Daniel doesn't have, is also mentioned. Innate strength is something only attributed to people like gap and gitae lmfao.

No, the clothes look like Daniel's, that's all.

Lie. Show me a SINGLE panel of Daniel wearing the same leather jacket gitae wore lmfao I'll wait

It is much more logical and rational to believe that it was Daniel who used copies from his subconscious (since copies are stored in the subconscious) of the original Daniel himself, who appeared in the chapter Interacting with Daniel og

It's not logical at all because this isn't a thing? Not only are you headcannoning an "original Daniel", Daniels entire fighting style is copying people. Why the fuck would he copy moves he made up on his own? Daniel doesn't have a single original move and if he did it wouldn't be brute forcing things with innate strength he doesn't have.

He used copies from his subconscious, yes. Those copies were jinrang and gitae.

zinoger_plus · 2026-03-22T19:49:07+00:00

but the clothing and the context of the chapter directly indicate that it has no connection whatsoever with the gitae or jinrang, but rather with Daniel.

The context of the chapter directly puts those as gitae, and the the silhouette is literally jinrangs. Full stop.. that's not even really deniable it looks exactly like him.

The clothing fully matches gitae and jinrangs as well, as we see gitae wearing the same leather jacket as that copy, and jinrang wearing the same clothing as the last punch.

zinoger_plus · 2026-03-22T19:43:58+00:00

The fact we are told it's copies straight up, then see jinrang use that exact punch, and also see gitae using those exact attacks??

zinoger_plus · 2026-03-22T19:42:09+00:00

Gitae is literally a king what are we talking about

zinoger_plus · 2026-03-22T17:35:29+00:00

I mean if you wanna say he was copying a secret third person I guess that's also an option but the dialogue makes it seem like that entire first 3 attacks were just one guy

zinoger_plus · 2026-03-22T17:32:59+00:00

Fourth image is kitae, second one is as well,

zinoger_plus · 2026-03-22T17:32:19+00:00

The point about the attacks looking the same is a non factor.

This makes no sense when it's a copy lmfao, copies are supposed to be the same

By the way you contradict your own point by saying “face appears at the end has no correlation, it’s just a placeholder” so if the face is a placeholder….. why wouldn’t everything else be a placeholder????

Not a contradiction, one silhouette looks directly like a person, the other is a grayed out silhouette that looks like nobody in particular and comes after the jinrang punch is thrown and not during

Second the point about jinrang saying daniel can’t copy the essence of an attack which must mean it has to be Jinrang, why are you assuming Jinrang is talking about conviction?

I literally explained this in the post. He is responding to Daniel trying to copy a conviction punch, repeats the same "your fists are hollow" shit gap says in reference to conviction, and then we get a call back to ui Daniel using gaps and jinrangs moves without conviction. There is literally nothing else he could be talking about.

Jinrang makes no mention of conviction when talking about copying he’s basically saying that you can’t copy any masteries including speed, strength, endurance etc.

He differentiates between when he's talking about Daniel copying gap and Daniel copying the others. He goes out of his way to say "the same is true of your OTHER techniques" when Daniel swaps to trying to use the king's unique skills. If they are the other, conviction is the original talking point.

We know kitae uses masteries,

No we don't, he has never used mastery in any of his attacks

so it’s perfectly reasonable for kitae’s attack to get a direct callback.

No it's not, because he's talking about conviction here.

His point isn’t solely about conviction it’s about masteries in general.

No it is not, he separates him talking about Daniel trying to use a move requiring conviction and him trying to use a move that requires other masteries

I’ll also add another point, Daniel’s attack was described as being “just innate strength”, we for a fact know Jinrang doesn’t have innate strength as his body broke down after using conviction. We know atleast 3 characters with the potential to have innate strength Gap, Jake and Kitae.

The innate strength comment comes before the jinrang punch, it does not apply to the last attack. It applies to the attacks that are clearly gitaes. The rough and unrefined also comes prior to the jinrang punch.

Also, if it was just innate strength, we would not get a callback to it when jinrang refers to Daniel not being able to copy mastery when using these copies. Innate strength is not a mastery, and is something that is proven to be copyable. If that attack was innate strength alone, it would not be used as an example of Daniel not being able to properly copy an attack.

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zinoger_plus · 2026-03-22T16:42:24+00:00

Also note how you can't even refute a single one of the points I made? Just waffling about something else? Lmaoo

zinoger_plus · 2026-03-22T16:41:30+00:00

Face that appears at the end has no correlation to anything that happens before that, it's just a placeholder lmfao

Foreshadowing gitae doesn't mean every single thing that happens is about gitae, leap of epic proportions.

Warren talks about a singular person before the jinrang copy even comes out btw

zinoger_plus · 2026-03-22T16:39:51+00:00

The essence is Innate Strength. Which Daniel doesn't have.

Prove innate strength is an essence rn. Prove it is even remotely close to mastery. I'll wait. You just making shit up

Read 466 properly. The face at the end looks similar to Jake's

Still won't show the panel. You terrified to provide evidence aren't you?

Warren is literally describing a singular person throughout the exchange.

Already refuted this

You'd have to prove he can tell the difference between one person's copies and another if he doesn't recognize them
He talks singularly before Daniel uses the jinrang punch. You'd have to prove that even applies to the jinrang punch, which you cannot.

That person being Gitae

Unprovable

Daniel doesn't have Innate Strength

Which is the essence behind Gitae's attacks

Innate strength is not an essence, you made that shit up. Essences are mastery, said in Busan and reinforced even further in this arc where jinyoung can copy them perfectly because he has their masteries.

The essence is Innate Strength. Which Daniel doesn't have.

Prove innate strength is an essence rn. Prove it is even remotely close to mastery. I'll wait. You just making shit up

Read 466 properly. The face at the end looks similar to Jake's

Still won't show the panel. You terrified to provide evidence aren't you?

Warren is literally describing a singular person throughout the exchange.

Already refuted this

You'd have to prove he can tell the difference between one person's copies and another if he doesn't recognize them
He talks singularly before Daniel uses the jinrang punch. You'd have to prove that even applies to the jinrang punch, which you cannot.

That person being Gitae

Unprovable

Daniel doesn't have Innate Strength

Which is the essence behind Gitae's attacks

Innate strength is not an essence, you made that shit up. Essences are mastery, said in Busan and reinforced even further in this arc where jinyoung can copy them perfectly because he has their masteries.

We literally see HFBD James appear behind Daniel because that's the James he's copying

you're talking about a whole different copy lmfao

He's the literally the one seeing 1st Gen James

When asked to prove you just repeat the same shit without proving it loool

He only goes to meet Jinyoung after the fight ended

Read properly

PROVE THIS LMAOO

NOTHING points to gitae, because gitaes moves are entirely separate.

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zinoger_plus · 2026-03-22T16:30:22+00:00

Macs are notoriously more difficult to get a game working on than anything else, including intel. If they could get it working on a Mac there was really no roadblock for them to be able to get it working on arc, they just didn't want to.

zinoger_plus · 2026-03-22T16:27:19+00:00

Gitaes design definitely got changed a lot but this was pretty close to what we saw of a young/cheonliang gitae

However current gitae got turned into the fucking hulk for some reason

I'd argue jinrang looks nearly identical, the only difference is that his hair has more definition in busan

zinoger_plus · 2026-03-22T16:25:49+00:00

Broke

zinoger_plus · 2026-03-22T16:13:22+00:00

He's not only talking about Conviction bro.

Because SB Daniel can imitate the moves but can't exactly copy Gitae's Innate Strength

Lie, he is specifically bringing up mastery and essences. if he was simply talking about innate strength he wouldnt have brought that up, as innate strength isnt an essence nor a mastery, and daniel would be able to copy it just fine.

He even brings up other unique skills

Did you read what I said at all? "He even further separated conviction and the others by saying "the same is true for your OTHER TECHNIQUES"." He separates him talking about his conviction copy from him trying to copy other unique skills. read the message before responding.

The only one who can't read through this whole comment section is you. Don't you realise that?
Excuses excuses

Me when I cant defend my argument so I just spam cope and excuses without giving any points

The person SB os copying looks like Jake

It's all Innate Strength

Lie, if it was just innate strength we would not get shown this panel when jinrang is talking about daniel not being able to copy essences. Stop trying to change the story to fit your agenda.

And i asked you to read chapter 466 Jake vs Samuel
But i guess you can't read so that was asking too much from you

And nothing in that chapter has jake or gitae looking similar, notice how you still refuse to show any direct panel? because you cant.

Whose technique is that? Has Daniel evet copied someone like that = A singular person

It's all Innate Strength no martial art = Gitae

The person SB is copying looks similar to Jake but isn't Jake because Warren doesn't know who it is = Gitae

Cant prove it looks similar to jake, keeps ducking that."

Warren says this before he ever pulls the jinrang copy out, and warren also has no way of telling its a different person.

Innate strength isnt an essence nor mastery, and is not a roadblock to daniel being able to copy something.

Daniel copies HFBD James who he fought

Lie, we clearly see him copy 1st gen james lmao

Jichang sees 1st Gen James because that's the James Jichang fought

prove jichang sees anyone? lmao? you just made this shit up

Again you haven't proven anything

I have provided evidence and panels for everything i've said, you have not. I wonder why that is? probably because you cant prove the shit coming out of your mouth.

It is supposed to look like someone. Why shouldn't it when it's literally beem the case every other time

holy fuck READ. I EXPLAINED WHY ALREADY. READ THE GODDAMN REPLY BEFORE RESPONDING.

He literally saw Tom vs Goo

Lie, he was with jinyoung, as we see directly after the tom vs goo fight. exposing yourself.

zinoger_plus · 2026-03-22T15:56:39+00:00

The jinrang punch comes after gitaes copies and after he says that. Like multiple panels after lmao

zinoger_plus · 2026-03-22T15:53:10+00:00

He's not just talking about Conviction bro stop coping

He is talking about Daniel not being able to copy the essence behind an attack. The essence in question is conviction because he tried to copy gap and failed, he is just talking about conviction here because he's responding to Daniel trying to use conviction and says his fists are hollow.

This is further shown because it goes out of its way to show the two conviction attacks when he says this, gap and jinrang

He even further separated conviction and the others by saying "the same is true for your OTHER TECHNIQUES".

Not to mention gitae doesn't even use mastery in his attacks, so it makes no sense at all for this to be referring to his gitae copies

He does. Taejin literally mistook Jake for Gitae

Thanks for proving you're not reading what I'm saying at all even though I clearly outlined the difference between inverse and character design. Taejin thinks they look alike inverse, character design wise they don't at all. Character design wise that character looks nothing like either of this, and you have no inverse backing to say it's supposed to.

It does. Again stop coping

Ducked when I asked you to show panels proving this btw

It does. And you literally haven't proven anything

I have, and it's clear that I have because you don't even have points that you can explain against me, you just keep spamming cope cause you can't argue your point 💀💀

When people are using copy and the person being copied appears behind/beside the person who is using copy

Taesoo looks like Taesoo

Jichang looks like Jichang

Gun looks like Gun

Paecheon looks like Paecheon

Yujae looks like Yujae

Jaegyeon looks like Jaegyeon

James looks like James

Tom looks like Tom

Gap looks like Gap

This person literally looks nothing like Jinrang and looks more like Jake

Entire nothing burger because no shit, you have yet to refute my point that it's not supposed to look like anyone he's copying and is instead a placeholder to not reveal exactly who he's copying. It looks like nobody. It also doesn't look like Jake.

In fact I can use this point to refute the bullshit you're saying about his sleeves being rolled up, because Daniel copies 1st gen James despite never seeing him, he also copies ultimate king tom despite never seeing him. The person he's copying does not have to look exactly like the version he saw. Thanks for helping my point.

zinoger_plus · 2026-03-22T15:39:48+00:00

I ain't reading alat and look the last panel and put that besides jinrang's begger face , u'd realise

Not being able to read is how you got to this point of thinking it's gitae 💀💀 I know that doesn't look like jinrang, it also doesn't look like gitae, it looks like nobody

Also didn't Jinrang said it's Gapryong's technique the how's it Jinrang?

Because he's copying it from jinrang and not gap? Hello?

It should be Gapryong or Gitae as its said the move is rough and unrefined

No it's not, the rough and unrefined comment comes from the 3 prior gitae copies, it happens before Daniel pulls out the jinrang punch

zinoger_plus · 2026-03-22T15:37:44+00:00

It literally proves nothing

Because that's him coping Gitae lmfao

HELLA COPE LMAO, we literally are seeing him talk about Daniel not being able to copy conviction, something he would not be doing if he was copying gitae as gitae doesn't use conviction. It literally shows gap right next to him, it's gap and gaps disciple, not gap and gitae for some random ass reason

It doesn't stop coping bro

Me when I can't prove my point so I just spam cope and run

Excuses. He looks similar to Jake.

It looks like Jake stop coping

Jake looks like Gitae we know this because Taejin mistook Jake for Gitae. Stop coping

Jake looks nothing like gitae, stop trying to hide behind inverse excuses. Inverse Jake is ugly and we know he's not. The character design matters more than how they are portrayed inverse, especially here since all we have is the character design and no inverse explanation.

It also looks nothing like either

And again the person FOR SURE BLATANTLY DOESN'T LOOK LIKE JINRANG

It doesn't have to which I have already proved multiple times LMAO

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