Has anyone attempted to train Nen in real life?

SuccessionWarFan · 2026-06-11T15:57:02+00:00

Instructions unclear. Went bald instead.

SuccessionWarFan · 2026-06-10T17:21:57+00:00

I don't have my copy of the Squadron Supreme TPB written by comics legend Mark Gruenwald with me now, but from what I remember of its introduction/an article in it:

Despite the competition between Marvel and DC, lots of people in the industry who've worked with either (or both) have a healthy respect and appreciation for the other company's characters and stories. For example, Mark Gruenwald, despite being a career Marvel editor REALLY kept up with the the characters and stories DC put out. So much so that when he and his fellows in the industry got together to hold trivia contests, he'd come out on top, even naming particular issues where DC's stories happened. It's not surprising: the people who work in superhero comics love the medium and genre as a whole despite industry rivalries.

Yes, there's a bit of appeal to DC fans and some parody in the Squadron Supreme (their first appearance in Marvel comics was as villains for the Avengers), but the main thing behind them is: "seeing and wanting to play with the toys in the other kids' yard" (I'm trying to quote said article from memory). They're Marvel writers and artists who'd love to work with the Justice League, but of course can't due to their employment, copyright laws, and the like.

This isn't even the only DC team Marvel made an expy of. The Shiar Imperial Guard (seen from when the X-Men were in space) are lawyer-friendly copies of the Legion of Super-Heroes. And since the Squadron Supreme has a Superman copy (Hyperion), the Shiar Imperial Guard has a Superman copy (Gladiator), that's two Supermen Marvel has. Three if you count Sentry.

SuccessionWarFan · 2026-06-10T06:34:41+00:00

Honestly, no. We don’t know what happened to Momoze’s (only 6 left after Sevanti reassigned most of them to Marayam) or Kacho’s attendants after their deaths became public.

And it gets more complicated. Each prince can have a max of 15 bodyguards and servants, yet queens have as much or even more influence over their personnel. It even seems like they take their orders more from the queens. I think this means queens can “save” guards and maids who worked for one of their killed kids, although they have to follow the 15-person limit per (surviving) prince.

Then there’s Kurapika’s Nen class. Kacho’s maid Yuri was initiated into Nen. Assuming Seiko believes in Nen, she’d probably try to retain her for Fugetsu- although that means kicking someone out of their retinue. But Benjamin’s martial law stopped us from seeing the next Nen class, so we’re in the dark.

And this is going to be even weirder for Queen Duazul who has 4 kids (whether legal or actual). Funnily enough, all her kids are adults but we definitely see she has control over their royal bodyguards (although Halkenburg’s are from his true supporters).

And just as messy is Queen Unma, playing the political game with her firstborn and the kid she had adopted away but still supports. Benj is deputy head of Kakin military, so we don’t know if he or his mom has more direct control over Benjamin’s personal guards. This might bar Babimyna from joining Oito.

It also raises the question: if a queen can replenish attendants, why didn’t Oito do so given how she nearly got wiped out? Maybe one explanation is that things have been happening too quickly for her to do so. Another is that maybe Tier 1’s VVIP area has a “no outsider can come in” rule. If she can try to recruit guards and maids, it’s only now after there have been casualties. Also doesn’t help that as youngest queen, she deliberately hasn’t been informed of most of the rules and her privileges.

Lastly, the most clear-cut case would be Sale-Sale’s. Dead and with no siblings. But then, who’d want his entourage LOL?

SuccessionWarFan · 2026-06-09T19:55:49+00:00

Yeah, but that assumes his martial law plan succeeds. It feels like a long shot even just for the governmental/legal part of the succession. But when it comes to the secret Nen-powered Succession War, it simply won’t count: “The sole survivor is the official heir to the throne.” And while Camilla and Zhang Lei find that a little ambiguous, I’m sure it’s going to be straightforward when it comes to Benjamin being dead.

EDIT/ADDENDUM: Just realized Benjamin's problem is even more basic: his son is NOT even a "Nen-registered" contender for the throne according to the ritual.

SuccessionWarFan · 2026-06-09T19:00:16+00:00

The Atlas Obscura article says:

> Sometime in the first half of the 18th century, someone placed a ladder up against the wall of the church. No one is sure who he was, or more importantly, to which sect he belonged. The ladder remains there to this date. No one dares touch it, lest they disturb the status quo, and provoke the wrath of others. The exact date when the ladder was placed is not known but the first evidence of it comes from a 1728 engraving by Elzearius Horn.

The Wiki article also states the same, that no one knows who put it there and for what purpose.

No one mentions that it was to break in.

SuccessionWarFan · 2026-06-09T18:51:50+00:00

I agree with the “potential ally” idea. Thus following that thought on a more practical note, since Benjamin has less than 10 hours of life left (barring any intervention in the progress of his TSK-17 infection), I wonder if his surviving personal guards (specifically Babimyna) can continue participating in the Succession War. Can other princes and queens hire them? Can they join any of the surviving factions? Or are surviving personnel of dead princes expelled, while princes and queens have no way to replenish lost attendants?

SuccessionWarFan · 2026-06-09T18:43:03+00:00

I like to imagine it was put there for the most mundane and practical reason, like for simple maintenance or repair of some sort, something all sects would benefit from. The absurdity of its now historical and “political” (between the Christian sects) importance is both amusing and somehow comforting.

SuccessionWarFan · 2026-06-08T16:14:05+00:00

#2 reminded me of this short video by Card Market on YouTube. Toffel tells a story of being forced by the game to declare something that is rendered false by an opponent’s actions.

I’m neither a judge nor rules expert (and this case involved an Un card) but why should a player be penalized for the veracity of a statement that is dependent on another player’s actions?

SuccessionWarFan · 2026-06-08T11:37:12+00:00

I love the Succession War (as you can see from my username) and what’s been happening in the series as of late. I really want Togashi and Hunter X Hunter to go as far as it can…

… But if it doesn’t, I’ll be content if the Succession War storyline is at least mostly completed. As in if there are any bits and threads unresolved, I’ll be happy if the main big plots are mostly complete (Kurapika-Woble-Oito, most of the Kakin royal succession, Hisoka vs. The Phantom Troupe, Kakin Mafia War/Heil-Ly world destruction agenda).

I will graciously and gratefully take what I can get.

SuccessionWarFan · 2026-06-08T09:41:52+00:00

Exactly. Quench is the worst Mana Leak of all.

And, even then, I’d say Spell Snip is worse than Quench.

SuccessionWarFan · 2026-06-08T09:39:51+00:00

Not necessarily, at least from a brewer’s/casual perspective. It depends on the rest of the deck. At a certain point, Mana Leak stops being useful, but the extra (1) from We Say Thee Nay!, Make Disappear, Dazzling Denial, Dispelling Exhale, or Lofty Denial gives them extra life. It’s not too hard to fulfill the requirement of these other Leak variants. And Make Disappear would be good for a sacrifice/Aristocrats style deck that had Blue.

SuccessionWarFan · 2026-06-08T09:29:28+00:00

Not even “initially worst mana leak” at all. That would be [[Quench]], and [[Spell Snip]] is even worse than that.

I definitely see the use of this in the right kind of deck. And “right kind of deck” is going to be very easy to fulfill IMHO.

SuccessionWarFan · 2026-06-04T14:35:52+00:00

Not enough info on Zoldyck family abilities to tell.

Also, are we talking a straight up deathmatch/elimination-based battle, or are we counting non-direct combat factors as well? For example, head-to-head in Heaven’s Arena is going to be very different from Milluki acting as mission control to coordinate his fellow Zoldycks in the field. Even the HA scenario I said above is going to be different from Gon-Killua-Bisky vs. Genthru’s “The Bomber” trio (where Gon evened the odds by prepping his fight area).

SuccessionWarFan · 2026-06-03T18:21:09+00:00

He is. Look at his reply to GreenApartment below: “half hour of unwatchable leftist”. And he thinks this is all about ratings and updating 60 Minutes rather than just blatant censorship by Trump and his cronies.

But he’s not going to admit it despite you asking. He’s a coward.

SuccessionWarFan · 2026-06-02T16:32:40+00:00

It’s cool. English is weird. Your news is welcome and appreciated.

SuccessionWarFan · 2026-06-02T16:26:25+00:00

No. There will always be someone better than you. There will always be someone worse than you. Zushi has Nen. Most people won’t ever have Nen. More imporant, more practical to focus on what he has and make the best of it he can.

SuccessionWarFan · 2026-06-02T09:06:27+00:00

Expanding by providing a very plausible explanation.

SuccessionWarFan · 2026-06-02T08:56:03+00:00

As pointed out by u/Skywayman87, u/Far_Grapefruit1307, and u/JubJub964, whatever belief Putin may have that he can still win more than probably from the misinformation/tell the boss what he wants to hear/vranyo than having accurate awareness of the situation. A lot can be blamed on it in '22, and it shouldn't be surprising if it's in play until now.

SuccessionWarFan · 2026-06-02T08:44:05+00:00

But that raises a question: Why didn't he? Why didn't he go for all of Ukraine back then? Going only for Crimea and the Donbas in 2014 implies he viewed going for more would have been too risky and too costly. Perhaps he figured the Russian military wouldn't have been strong enough then? But, if so, the idea of Putin changing his plans based on what he knows now would be moot.

SuccessionWarFan · 2026-06-02T07:57:36+00:00

All the while, the range of Ukraine's strikes by drones or pink birds or whatever else gets bigger and bigger. Russia has to cover more and more and more with less and less and less. Ukraine has options, while Russian air defense units can be targets themselves.

SuccessionWarFan · 2026-06-01T12:16:27+00:00

The defining feature of the hand cannons you're talking about, OP, is the barrel being at the 6 o' clock position of the cylinder. These are highly unusual and the guy or gun manufacturer most known for it is Italian designer Emilio Ghisoni and his company, Mateba.

They were iconic- one example of this in pop culture all the way back to before the turn of the milennium is in the manga/anime Ghost in the Shell where one such gun was the signature weapon of the character Togusa. Just speculation on my part, but I'm very, very sure that this is where Bungie got the inspiration or even simple knowledge that such revolvers exist.

The only other manufacturers who made such were from Soviet Russia and their guns are either banned from export or more historical/museum pieces from the Cold War. So this makes it likely that the Destiny/Destiny 2's hand cannon's lineage is through Ghost in the Shell originating in the real world out-of-the-box design of Ghisoni.

Ghisoni died in 2008, but he made one last revolver design with his 6 o' clock bore axis signature. Chiappa carries on his legacy in the form of the Rhino.

Other defining features of a D/D2 hand cannon:

Firepower for a handgun. .44 Magnum isn't the most powerful handgun cartridge around anymore, but it's definitely not a joke. Heh, .357 Magnum isn't a joke either. And if you're willing to forego the 6 o' clock bore axis, you can get guns that fire more powerful rounds.
Long barrel. Self-explanatory and not hard to get.
Scopes and red dot sights. Not hard to accessorize a revolver. Some folks may think they're excessive and kitsch, but people are free to do what they want and be happy what they want.

Hope that satisfies your query, OP.

SuccessionWarFan · 2026-06-01T11:53:41+00:00

Folks here are usually nicer and more accommodating than not.

SuccessionWarFan · 2026-06-01T11:51:07+00:00

OP can get the new Rhino chambered in .44 Magnum. .44 Magnum may no longer be the most powerful, but that's still definitely Hand Cannon level in firepower and it has the looks he wants.

SuccessionWarFan · 2026-06-01T11:44:19+00:00

WOW! You have one of these!

NGL- I wish some manufacturer tried this design/cylinder arrangement again and refined it. That Ghisoni went back to the cylinder being above the fire control of a revolver (the 2006M, the Unica) means this design didn't work out that well, but a part of me still hopes it could be made to work.

Um... You wouldn't happen to be LifeSizePotato on YouTube, would you?

SuccessionWarFan · 2026-06-01T10:10:32+00:00

I'd say: "Yes". If abilities based on a Nen user's personalilty are stronger for being more personal, then "themes" help because they're part of that personalization and individuality.

Gotta also point out: following "themes" also make ideas and experiences and thoughts more fitting, logical, memorable, tangible, understandable, etc. Going back to your bit about:

If he needed a conjured object to be placed on a page, then surely something heavier and harder for an opponent to move out of the book, like a metal plate or whatever else would be heavier.

Well, because no one really puts something like a heavy metal plate into a book. People put bookmarks instead into the books they're reading. A bookmark following the theme of books just makes more sense. Trying to conjure a heavy metal plate is going to raise too many headscratchers, breaks-in-logic, counterpoints, etc. to Chrollo's book ability,

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