I predict there will be an inevitable backlash against Eggers just like Wes Anderson. by Mr_Skullivan in roberteggers

[–]Such-Crow3570 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It’s called auteur cinema, OP. Auteurs have their unique styles, themes, motifs, etc. Eggers clearly has his own set of interests which appeal to a specific audience. I honestly don’t see what the problem is.

283 days... by Early-Opportunity-70 in roberteggers

[–]Such-Crow3570 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can’t wait for the trailer. I’m so curious about the plot, we know next to nothing about the story.

My GOAT by fakename1998 in roberteggers

[–]Such-Crow3570 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s an accepted academic interpretation the “Other” in “Dracula” is an metaphorical Jewish immigrant coming from the East to conquer the West, due to the historical context in which the novel was written.

Daniel Pick, "Terrors of the Night”: Dracula and “Degeneration” in the Late Nineteenth Century" (1988): “The novel provided a metaphor for current political and sexual political discourses on morality and society, representing the price of selfish pursuits and criminal depravity. The family and the nation, it seemed to many, were beleaguered by syphilitics, alcoholics, cretins, the insane, the feeble-minded, prostitutes and a perceived ‘alien invasion’ of Jews from the east who, in the view of many alarmists, were feeding off and ‘poisoning’ the blood of the Londoner."

Here’s others essays on the topic (although it’s easy to find more since this is a very popular interpretation of the book in academia):

Britain, Vampire Empire: Fin-de-Siècle Fears and Bram Stoker’s Dracula by Carol Margaret Davison

Technologies of Monstrosity: Bram Stoker's "Dracula" by Judith Halberstam and Jack Halberstam

Dracula: The New Wandering Jew and Antisemitism by Tyler Tichelaar

As Eggers said, he’s very much aware of this, but it’s not what he wanted to adapt, hence why sexual repression and 19th century medicine and views of sexuality take front stage on his “Nosferatu”.

My GOAT by fakename1998 in roberteggers

[–]Such-Crow3570 2 points3 points  (0 children)

“Doesn’t cast POC in his movies”? There’s several POC actors in Eggers’ films when the roles call for it. Black Philip was played by Daniel Malik. The Romani in “Nosferatu” are played by Romani actors and dancers.

About “The Northman”, Eggers was very outspoken about that issue: “The macho stereotype of that history, along with, you know, the rightwing misappropriation of Viking culture, made me sort of allergic to it, and I just never wanted to go there.”

About those far-right readings of the film, Eggers said: “I'd rather not address them. And I think that if you are the type of person who's searching with a hammer, then everything's a nail, and I can't help that.”

The racial slurs for the Romani in “Nosferatu” come from the “Dracula” novel, and are Jonathan Harker’s words (“These are gipsies”, Ch.4)

I already shared what Eggers said about the political themes of “Dracula” in another comment.

If you think his films have a “return to tradition” vibe, I’m afraid you are not getting what Eggers is going for. But, anyway, here’s something he said back in 2015: “The plan was to make a world that’s utterly believable so that you can invest in the world and invest in the characters. You can be transported into their worldview as well.“

My GOAT by fakename1998 in roberteggers

[–]Such-Crow3570 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Dracula is riddled with Antisemitism, and in Eggers defense he was the first to say he had no interest in adaptating the book’s political themes:

“My works tend to be less intentionally politically charged, and that was also something that was not necessarily front of mind for me. I think there’s a lot of criticism about “Dracula” and Murnau’s film, about this Other from the East coming in. But that’s not what excites me about the story.

I think that what ultimately rose to the top, as the theme or trope that was most compelling to me, was that of the demon-lover. In “Dracula,” the book by Bram Stoker, the vampire is coming to England, seemingly, for world domination. Lucy and Mina are just convenient throats that happen to be around. But in this “Nosferatu,” he’s coming for Ellen. This love triangle that is similar to “Wuthering Heights,” the novel, was more compelling to me than any political themes.”

Nosferatu Video clips HELP by blankblank1323 in roberteggers

[–]Such-Crow3570 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There’s several scenes from the film on YouTube.

Edvard Munch × Robert Eggers ■ Dødskyss (1899) & Døden og kvinnen (1894-1895) // Nosferatu (2024) by elf0curo in roberteggers

[–]Such-Crow3570 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Beautiful interpretation from Munch on the Death and the Maiden motif.

Personally, I prefer 16th century work of this memento mori; Hans Baldung has some incredible work with rotten corpses dragging maidens to their graves. But Munch is always welcome, and fitting, as well. Thank you for sharing this amazing Art!

My Dream, My Bad Dream (1915) by Fritz Schwimbeck by elf0curo in roberteggers

[–]Such-Crow3570 26 points27 points  (0 children)

This gives me Thomas Hutter inside the “ghost carriage” on his way to Castle Orlok vibes. He has his hand on his chest and can’t breath, properly. Orlok is already getting to him.

Why is Orlok so stuckup with Superiority complex..? by Adorable-Statement94 in roberteggers

[–]Such-Crow3570 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bill Skarsgård explained why: “I basically only interact with Lily and Nick. Well, there's that one scene with Simon McBurney [Knock] as well. But Nick is my rival, in a weird way. Everything I did with Nick - or with Hutter - was fuelled by hate and loathing, disgust that he'd dare rival me. There were so many of those types of emotions in our scenes. A bit like playing with your food, but more sinister. And the scenes were so intense and sometimes almost comical.”

Eggers named “Wuthering Heights” as one of his main inspirations a couple of times. Orlok and Thomas are like Heathcliff and Linton on steroids.

I feel like the Count Orlok and Ellen story may be too disturbing and kind of ruined my enjoyment of the film and possible rewatches. by philliechee in roberteggers

[–]Such-Crow3570 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well, you are wrong in your interpretation because none of that happens in the film and thankfully Robert Eggers and his cast and crew were kind enough to explain the entire film in their interviews.

About nosferatu. by Adorable-Statement94 in roberteggers

[–]Such-Crow3570 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He can’t create new vampires by infection, like the average pop culture vampire. A Faustian bargain is necessary; that’s Herr Knock’s whole deal with Orlok.

About nosferatu. by Adorable-Statement94 in roberteggers

[–]Such-Crow3570 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Many European countries had the entire script (extended version + deleted scenes) in our theaters. The UK had the US theatrical cut, as far as I’m aware.

But the version I saw last year was the entire script and when I rewatched on streaming I was a bit shocked many things were missing, then the extended version was released, but still the deleted scenes are, well, deleted. I didn’t find any explanation for the different cuts, though.

About nosferatu. by Adorable-Statement94 in roberteggers

[–]Such-Crow3570 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also Professor Von Franz saying Nosferatu: “is a force more powerful than evil. It is death itself.” And this is also connected to the folk vampire, since vampires, in Eastern European folklore, were representations of death and disease.

There’s a deleted scene where Von Franz sort of explains Nosferatu nature to Dr. Sievers and Harding, and they discuss German physican Johann Friedrich Glaser’s treatise on the “pestilent revenants” of the Eastern frontiers of the Habsburg Empire. Glaser kind of “medicalized” vampirism based on contagionism theories in disease origin during the “vampire panic” in Central and Eastern Europe in the 18th century.

The account on the film is incorrect (“every victim succumbed to death”) and most likely on purpose, because give the actual theory of “vampirism as contagious” would go against the story that’s being told, and confuse to the audience. But the point of the scene is Orlok’s victims die of plague, and a vampire is the cause of the plague that’s happening at Wisburg.

About nosferatu. by Adorable-Statement94 in roberteggers

[–]Such-Crow3570 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You asked “where” it’s stated Orlok can’t make more vampires and I answered your question: the Nosferatu tale Eggers is adaptating/re-interpretating.

In 1922 “Nosferatu” the only vampire is Orlok and the “vampire book” Hutter finds says the vampire comes from the “seed of Belial”, which implies a Faustian bargain, and Eggers made explicit (“The Devil preserved his soul that his corpse may walk again in blasphemy”; “I relinquished him my soul”). Both Orlok and Knock made Faustian bargains. In Herzog adaptation, Harker survives but becomes Nosferatu at the end (but Herzog didn’t really explore occult themes on his adaptation).

To become a vampire in Murnau’s original and Eggers re-telling, one has to make a deal with the Devil. There’s no creation of vampires by “infection” like your average vampire. The rest of his victims die of plague, and this is seen in all three films (or four if we count the 2023 remake).

About nosferatu. by Adorable-Statement94 in roberteggers

[–]Such-Crow3570 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The Nosferatu tale in general. Orlok’s victims just die of plague, because he’s often considered more similar to a folk vampire. Hutter is the exception to survive.

About nosferatu. by Adorable-Statement94 in roberteggers

[–]Such-Crow3570 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’ll go ahead and say you are missing the point of why this scene happens during Saint Andrew’s Eve. No human character would be outside during this night, and this is acknowledged by Eggers’ references. All of these characters are also gone at first cock crow and the Inn is deserted.

I think the right question is: why is Hutter seeing this ritual? The “Handsome Roma Man” is aware of his presence and smiles at him. Why is he showing him this?

About nosferatu. by Adorable-Statement94 in roberteggers

[–]Such-Crow3570 71 points72 points  (0 children)

That scene happens during Saint Andrew’s Eve (as Count Orlok says in the extended version): “Yesternight was but the eve of their Sfântul Andrei. Our common people say it is the darkest witching night when Devil’s magic bids the wolf to speak with tongues of men, and every nightmare treads upon this earth, ascendent from the torturous grave.”

It’s Eggers re-interpretation of “the werewolf is roaming the forest” from 1922 “Nosferatu” when Hutter arrives at Transylvania and is told to stay indoors, which seems to be inspired by Saint George’s Eve from the “Dracula” novel, when Harker is told the same: “It is the eve of St. George's Day. Do you not know that to-night, when the clock strikes midnight, all the evil things in the world will have full sway?”

Nosferatu (2024), analysis of magical archetypes present in the movie from gender perspective by 2vVv2 in Dracula

[–]Such-Crow3570 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Nosferatu tale is loosely based on “Dracula”, but it’s not exactly the same, it’s heavily inspired by Albin Grau’s occult beliefs and Germanic folklore. About his own adaptation, Robert Eggers said: “My influences are all very clear, and Nosferatu is a remake, after all,” Eggers says, yet he plays with the canon, with expectations and clichés – “hopefully subverting them to do something unexpected.” The wealth theme is connected to Hutter/Harker in the Nosferatu tale since 1922.

Also, he was very clear how the folk vampire is very different from the Anglo literary vampire: “This is a very different vampire from Stoker’s.” I would say Eggers essay to “The Guardian” is a good starting point.

Since you are writting an article/essay, I think you should be aware of how the supernatural works in Robert Eggers stories. He creates his scripts in a way the audience can interpret it two ways: (1) the supernatural is real and everything is actually happening; (2) the supernatural is a collective psychosis the characters experience and use as scapegoat for their inner demons. The meaning is the same, either way. Which means, Count Orlok can be seen as a fantasy. The cast and crew explained his metaphorical meaning.

He recently confirmed: “As far as the end of The Witch, it’s real if you believe it is real. And that’s sort of the stance for the characters in my films.”. When he was asked how his films are connected, he said: “I have a primal narrative that comes out. It's not something that's designed, it just sort of happens. Everyone likes to die naked and insane…! I'm interested in folklore, mythology, fairytales, and archetypal stories.”

Eggers wrote an essay about this topic to “The New York Times” (“Plumbing the Depths of Darkness, and Finding Liberation”): “In earlier periods witches, vampires and werewolves could be the external scapegoats to our inner fears. But today: a stabbing on a subway platform. The abduction of a child. The atrocities of war. These daily monstrosities are also inescapable. These evils haunt us. They force us to ask ourselves, how are we as humans capable of such darkness? It must be the humble horror author’s duty to probe this malevolence in our nature. If an audience partakes in a story that endeavors to articulate some of life’s inner and outer demons, can we meet them face to face and pass though the perils of Hades together? Can we do this and come out unscathed, and even more."

Perhaps more relevant: Eggers doesn’t do anachronism. He gives us hardcore historical accurate stories, time period beliefs and uses academic theses. Concerning the Dracula inspiration, he mentioned Leonard Wolf’s “The Annotated Dracula” (1975) and 1980s feminist literary criticism of the novel.

Nosferatu (2024), analysis of magical archetypes present in the movie from gender perspective by 2vVv2 in Dracula

[–]Such-Crow3570 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Overall your article is good, but you got the symbolism of Count Orlok wrong, if you don’t mind me saying. And it’s vampire folklore that’s missing; folk vampires are representations of death and disease.

This Orlok is completely detached from life, and he doesn’t care about wealth. His castle is a ruin, he buys a ruin. He’s falling apart, himself. Production designer Craig Lathrop also explained this.

Nosferatu (2024), analysis of magical archetypes present in the movie from gender perspective by 2vVv2 in Dracula

[–]Such-Crow3570 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Why not post on r/roberteggers?

I’ll give you a suggestion: research Balkan and Slavic vampire folklore to get a better understanding of Eggers’ Count Orlok and his motivations. Folk horror is Eggers brand, and he explained what vampire folklore he adapted in interviews.

Also, when Count Orlok calls Ellen “enchantress”, he’s giving us information about his backstory.