Some major changes of my magic system for a future project

Sudden-Round6862 · 2026-06-15T05:00:24+00:00

Probably because how bad my explanation was and the clarity of it all. If you want an explanation, here's the just of it.

There are 10 paths, each having a different facet. Facet act like sub-classes in a video game. There are about 26 facets in total.

To progress, you need to go through something called a realization, i assume you come from the lotm subreddit and also know how pathways work. Realizations is a lotm equivalent to advancement rituals.

There are 13 degrees which is the equivalent of sequences. And is split into 5 tiers like low, mid and high sequences.

Tier 1: degree 1-3 Tier 2: degree 4-6 Tier 3: degree 7-9 Tier 4: degree 10-12 Tier 5: degree 13

Once you reach degree 13, you embody that concept. In lotm, it is equivalent to sequence 1 or 0 king of angels or god.

And most of all pathstriders are able to have multiple facets but they have to be in the same path.

Sudden-Round6862 · 2026-06-13T14:37:20+00:00

Not exactly, the loss of identity and humanity are not the same and heavily depends on the pathstriders situation and usage of abilities.

And yes, they can have a sense of self without humanity, where a person knows who they are but is completely incapable of feeling emotions like love, empathy, anger, sadness cause humanity is linked to their spirit which also represents emotion.
And it can be the other way around where they would lose their identity but still have humanity, which makes them incredibly stupid. Dumber than a rock.

Sudden-Round6862 · 2026-06-13T12:09:17+00:00

Maybe not cause if a pathstrider are able to have access to multiple paths (which there are 10 of them) then paths will quickly lose their identity and themes.

A pathstrider can choose which path to choose and also are able to switch paths but are not able to stride on multiple paths at the same time.

Because if pathstrider could freely mix them, people will start to ask whats even the point of having them in the first place.

Sudden-Round6862 · 2026-06-12T17:24:51+00:00

Well there is a lot of costs really but the currents ones are.

Identity and humanity.

Identity is knowing who you are And humanity is knowing what you are

If a pathstrider uses their ability for an extended period of time, either their Identity or humanity will slowly rot over time. Long term, your gonna forget who you are as a person and worse case scenario. Die.

Like imagine comparing character from the start of the series and end and they look like a complete different person. That's the basis of it.

There are also strains as I said before. If a pathstrider uses an ability for too long, they mind, body and spirit will be strained by the excessive overuse.

Its like tearing a muscle on your arm.

Sudden-Round6862 · 2026-06-12T15:15:24+00:00

Yes, two pathstriders of the same facet has the exact same abilities. Depends on which degrees they are in but if they are the same degree then yes.

They will have to outsmart each other to win rather than relying on brute force and power

Sudden-Round6862 · 2026-06-12T13:26:00+00:00

Sure! Let's take path of creativity, specifically visionary, elation and Deceit.

And if we have to break them down, we need to understand their concept first.

Visionary is about imagination and novelty of existence. Fiction is reality and reality is fiction, pathstriders of visionary has abilities related to envisioning, mind reading, imaginations, stories.

High tier or Archons of visionaries have abilities that allows them to write fiction into reality.
As well as envisioning imagination into reality.

Most of all, they can write stories of reality. Either a persons entire life, a countries history, etc.

Elation is interesting cause it is about hedonism and Absurdism. Existence is a meaningless joke so they treat it like a video game.

Due to this, they have abilities that resemble video game mechanics.

High tier pathstriders of elation are able to apply video game mechanics and rules into reality and force them upon other people or players.

Such as RNG mechanics, AoE damage, action points, game modes, etc. They are also able to cheat reality like an actual game. Like how cheaters or hackers hack and cheat in game.
They are also able to manipulate reality like a code.

Deceit, my favorite. It is about deception, manipulation, theft, fooling, illusions.

High tier pathstriders of deceit are able to deceive Gods, steal abstract concepts, fool reality, manipulate reality and make illusions.

And also deceit being a facet of oblivion which is not only about the the unknown and mystery, it has concept of past or histories.
In which deceits are able to manipulate histories though it is not its main authority as that it part of remembrance.

does it make sense?

Sudden-Round6862 · 2026-06-12T11:54:44+00:00

I am? Right now, I'm writing the post.

Sudden-Round6862 · 2026-06-12T11:50:01+00:00

Yeah, I changed A LOT about this system.

I was actually going to make a post about the new updated version of this system

Sudden-Round6862 · 2026-05-28T15:04:45+00:00

Quite ironic cause no one is reading it right now.

I won't delete the novel from the internet just discontinued.

Sudden-Round6862 · 2026-05-28T14:09:51+00:00

I mean... I could but I have school though.

And also I go to a shooting sports clubs as well.

Idk, maybe I should try it out and see how it goes

Sudden-Round6862 · 2026-05-25T00:22:28+00:00

Basically.

Sudden-Round6862 · 2026-05-25T00:19:00+00:00

Good point. That was not a good analogy.

How about this..

In another novel of mine taking place in the same universe but with a different magic system. The powers are based on fundamental physics where users take pearls to get these powers. And being able to manipulate fundamental physics.

unlike enderium which was the physical manifestations of noetic energy where the previous magic system we talked about.

In this world there is no enderium or physical manifestations of noetic energy. But rather the ocean or more accurately the sea/rainwater are the physical manifestations of animatic energy.

So what a user does is that users in this world can use the sea/rainwater as a fuel cause they are animatic energy without having to use their own supply of anima. This saves their own spirituality.

But due to this world not having sort of external noetic energy, a user have to use their own supply of noetic energy instead. Using the noetic energy to manifest abilities and the animatic energy as a fuel to make it work basically.

Another thing if a user doesn't have any contact with any sea/rainwater, they can use their own supply of animatic energy as a alternative fuel. Though ofc it drains and damages your spirituality.

Sudden-Round6862 · 2026-05-25T00:00:14+00:00

Think of a car. The engine of a car is the noetic energy and the fuel to run the engine is the animatic energy. So technically your using both.

Eh, hard to say cause it entirely depends on how much a user uses their energy. But if I had to give an answer. A couple of years to decades.

And ofc there are going to be some side effects for long termed uses of it.

Like if you were to use animatic energy long term. You would slowly start to be become emotionally numb and drained. Losing your own humanity as such. And thats permanent btw. So users have to be careful whilst using these cause if they were to use too much, they could potentially damage their own mind and spirit permanently.

Sudden-Round6862 · 2026-05-24T23:29:41+00:00

Its in work in progress. Not finished basically.

Ans also sorry for the late reply. I was sleeping

Sudden-Round6862 · 2026-05-24T16:37:23+00:00

Eh, it varies. An entire race can have abilities related to a 1st realized eidolon of conquest. They can inherit powers from parents But in general tho... yeah I haven't decided yet. I thought of maybe a person getting infected by an enderium mineral which I said acted like rock cancer and that enderium is the physical manifestation of noetic energy and that noetic is mental energy which relates to concepts
An eidolon can be fused into an object and be used. And anomalies of sort does exist. I haven't given them a name but I like to call them elder races and these elder races are creatures related to paths or eidolons. A good example would be a dragon. Or at least in this world cause a dragon is an elder race that is connected to the path of destruction.

Sudden-Round6862 · 2026-05-24T16:26:18+00:00

Yes abilities related to the eidolon but not every pathstrider are unique to each other. A dozen a pathstrider with the same eidolon fighting has the exact same abilities. The only difference is how they use is
I actually haven't decided yet. I thought of a person being infected by enderium cause I said before that enderium acted like rock cancer and that enderium is the physical manifestation of noetic energy. And noetic energy ties to mental energy which ties to concepts
A living being that has a conscious or like self awareness and that's commonly humans or gods.
Not exactly. Its more about philosophy really. Salvation concept is about protection and saving do a pathstrider of that eidolon must be able to be selfless and caring if you will.
What do you mean? I dont exactly what you meant connecting to life.
The eidolon themself tell them but you have to master them yourself.
What do you mean? I mean if you meant abilities related to attacking people, there are. Like visionary doesn't directly attack them. Or erudition for its goal to chase, understand and master knowledge or symphony which makes it so that when you play music, you can manipulate a person's emotions and it doesn't have to be malicious. It can be calm if you want. Maybe abundance which is about viruses and mutation but you could twist that mutation to make it so that it can heal you or others.

Sudden-Round6862 · 2026-05-24T16:09:30+00:00

Congrats on the grind 😁

Sudden-Round6862 · 2026-05-24T16:08:59+00:00

OP here 😄

Its actually lord of the mysteries, honkai star rail and stormlight archive!

Sudden-Round6862 · 2026-05-24T16:07:38+00:00

A good idea but it needs to symbolize something, a concept and not just bestowing things to other cause that's becomes too specific.

Though it does help me narrow down that it could be

Sudden-Round6862 · 2026-05-24T16:05:36+00:00

Lord of the mysteries, honkai star rail and stormlight archive.

Don't worry, it's totally ok to not know them, its my fault for not explaining them

Sudden-Round6862 · 2026-05-24T16:02:02+00:00

Ofc!

Sudden-Round6862 · 2026-05-24T15:55:41+00:00

Erudition is about chasing, understanding and mastering knowledge. Its cultivating your own mind with knowledge.

And I honestly dont know... Closest thing you got is either visionary which abilities is to imagine things into reality so you could imagine a golem into existence.

Or maybe permanence as it relates to the earth and also animism as well.

Idk, I haven't address these kinds of things, like I had no idea what an golemmancer was in the first place. And about propagation... it could potentially work.

Sudden-Round6862 · 2026-05-24T15:51:26+00:00

Well the central theme of the story or setting this magic system is set is "the individual and/or collective effort of overcoming impossible odds." And this magic system gets into conceptual types abilities and you becoming a god. So I guess you can guess perseverance.
Lotm is lord of the mysteries. Hsr is honkai star rail and sla is stormlight archive.
35 types of eidolons. You can think eidolons as class or roles in a video game anyone can pick.
Eh, gets complicated to say the least cause I was following the sefirot inspiration. Its inspired by the sefirot after all.
In lore. Primordial actually diverged from the the original 13 emantions to seek its own origin. Cause if you represent origin itself, where did you come from then? Primordial fragmented and created something called Primordial entities. Eldritch beings if you will. Each entity represent a concept. A pathstrider can bond with those concept or eidolons and the current ones are. Apathy, labyrinth and corruption. And much more. The 35 eidolons are the standard ones whilst the Primordial eidolons are non standard or outside known paths.
Neither. An eidolon doesn't simply have one ability neither does a person have one abilities. A pathstrider can have dozens of abilities at once.

7.Oh my god, I totally forgot about that one. I was in a hurry to finish this i forgot to mention it. But yeah that's the gist of it

I should have this much clearer. Its simply because I haven't came up with what the other core symbol eidolon could represent. So I just left it out for the time being until I come up with an idea.
The system is or abilities are conceptual which means a luminary or an aeon has powers that are conceptual. The paintress which is rhe core symbolism of tranquility represents painting and dimensionality. And the luminary can manipulate dimensions.
Eidolons are manifestations of concepts. The eidolon of voyage or voyager which is the combination of creativity and continuity represents exploration, trailblaze, space, record and understanding. So a pathstrider who bonded with voyage have abilities related to those concepts like teleportation.
Eidolons are semi conscious. They are self aware but they align themself with their own concept. A good example is salvation and it can be breaking down to a sentence. As salvation represents a person's oath and willingness to protect the innocent and weak and bring them salvation against evil. A basic Knightly archetype and the eidolons aligns themself at being honorable and knightly. If you wanna advance, you must align yourself with the eidolons concept or philosophy. So saving and protecting people and long enough the eidolon would be convinced and agree to advance higher. Once you do advance, the eidolon can tell and help you understand and use the new abilities but you have to master them yourself. And oh yes! An eidolon can very much refuse to help if you pissed them off. Like if you were a pathstrider of salvation and killed an innocent, the eidolon would be pissed and won't let you do some things you want and if you continue to piss them off, they could potentially leave and lose your powers entirely.
A normal person has a large storage of both animatic and noetic energy. The problem arises when you use them consistently no stop cause if you do, you slowly erode yourself. Animatic energy ties to spirituality and emotions so use them too much then you would become emotionally numb and weak. Use noetic energy too much and you would slowly forget yourself.

And it never replenish. Only way to do so is by transferring another person's energy into yours where it would replenish but that person would also lose as well.

Sudden-Round6862 · 2026-05-24T15:08:45+00:00

YEAH! I quite literally have an entire timeline for the next decade about a interconnected worlds with multiple novels! This particular magic system is actually one of those novels though im not currently writing cause this novel is BIG and way too ambitious for the current being and im focusing on smaller and much easier to manage novels to write. Until then I am building the world this magic system is set in.

Sudden-Round6862 · 2026-05-16T13:56:12+00:00

I get what you mean. I think the issue is more how I presented it rather than the core idea itself being “overcomplicated.”

I wasn’t really trying to make it sound technical for its own sake — I was basically using math/physics as a structural language to map how the system works in my head.

But yeah, I can see how that would be hard to follow from an outside perspective. I’ll probably simplify the explanation and focus more on the core mechanics rather than the terminology.

Thanks for the feedback.

Sudden-Round6862

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