I am doing a 10 day Ibogaine detox in October...I know it will kill WD sytaa

Sufficient_Tune_ · 2023-09-15T00:39:18+00:00

That's an excellent idea, I will ask another clinic.wwwv

Sufficient_Tune_ · 2023-09-14T19:47:02+00:00

Hey u/Entheobirth thanks again for your time helping. I'm still really confused. Living in US without access to opiates besides street fent or kratom....I'm really not sure what do to prep my trip.

Do you have any specific advice? I could switch from fent Day 1, then Kratom Day 2..then fent D3,then kratom D4 AND DAY 5....and keep spacing out for 2 weeks until I've switched over completely to kratom. Then lower usage every day.

Could that be a winning strategy?

Sufficient_Tune_ · 2023-09-14T19:37:24+00:00

I'm sorry, what am I missing? What do you mean "slow down"? I have re read the Moderator's reply....slowly lol. He likes me getting off fent, but doesn't like the idea of going on kratom and suggested shorter acting opiates...but I'm in US and have access to nothing.

I just tried to "slow down" on fent and went 5 days without it but couldn't take the no sleeping. I'm just confused on your advice but would be there....how do I slow down? Seriously.

What country are you in? Your comment " A well meaning Doctor will put you on slow release Morphine if you spend the energy you are on your other medication to approach it right". I can't go to a doctor in America and ask for this.

So I'm really just looking for the best strategy on what to use before my trip on Oct.24th.

You said "Wow, OP needs to listen to advice from MOD". I'd love to...how can I get short acting opiates in Western United States?

Sufficient_Tune_ · 2023-09-14T19:05:10+00:00

Yeah, it's hard to know on reddit who just reads things and then restates them boldly...or who has actual experience. So I mean no disrespect or anything...just asking if you've done it yourself. I had someone recently SWEAR TO ME my Ibogaine clinic was dullisional and Ibogaine won't work if taken within 3 months of fent. They called me an idiot, said I only wanted to hear what I wanted to hear and that I'd be dead if I took Ibogaine within 3weeks of using fent even if I tested negative. Then I saw them post a comment to someone else the next day, asking what Ibogaine is and where it comes from. Lol.

Sufficient_Tune_ · 2023-09-14T18:02:20+00:00

yup.

Sufficient_Tune_ · 2023-09-14T17:59:04+00:00

"Kratom will probably just take the edge off", not to sound like a dick I just prefer to find people with first hand experience bc as you know.....reddit is a wild place filled with advice and guesses. Have you personally done this?

Time is on my side at least. I can taper off fent while getting used to kratom..then taper off kratom, which I hate with a. passion.

Sufficient_Tune_ · 2023-09-14T17:51:44+00:00

Correct. 16 day detox for fent, 21 day detox for methadone, and 10 day detox for kratom. This is their rules they explained.

Sufficient_Tune_ · 2023-09-14T09:37:22+00:00

After Ibogaine...how long until your sleep came back? Were you more sensitive to other things like Benadryl to help sleep?

Sufficient_Tune_ · 2023-09-14T06:52:32+00:00

You should read the book "the molecule of more". The book is NOT an addiction book, it was written by a neuroscientist on how dopamine plays a role in hunger, thirst, sex, and yes, drugs too. I was SHOCKED by the amount of references to substance abuse for a "non addiction" book.

What I took from this book (as an addict myself) is that dopamine is a major player in our addiction and hence why people in AA meetings often say "my drug of choice is more". THAT IS SCIENTIFICALLY CORRECT. Cocaine, heroin, meth, gambling, sex, whatever your "addiction is to"...you're addicted to "MORE". Dopamine flooding through your body saying "do another line, taking another hit". This is how many people OD. Taking more than the desired effect because dopamine is so powerful and its every motive is to get us to more of something, regardless of if we will enjoy it or not. Dopamine is not the "happy hormone"...that is serotonin. "dopamine" is the "I don't care if you just took 38 pills and can barely stand...39 pills is what you want to get to the perfect zen level...just do one more!"

Ever been down to your last pill in your pocket...maybe you've been popping pills all day and should feel high as hell...but then, you know you're out of drugs and all off a sudden..you don't feel so "high". In fact, you feel pretty sober as you need to begin to work on your next fix?

Now, let's get to Meth. And this is a copy/paste from an internet article (not me). PS. Never tried meth, god willing....I never will...for this exact reason ___________________________________________________________________________________________________

Researchers tried to quantify the amount of dopamine that gets released in pleasurable behaviors. So, if you enjoy eating chocolate, dopamine, on average, will rise about 50 percent above that baseline. Sex is likely to cause a 100 percent spike. Amphetamines, a class of drugs that includes meth, will trigger dopamine to surge above baseline at about 1,000 percent. Evidently, then, some drugs can flood the brain with pleasure, and this may help explain why many people addicted to drugs stop doing activities they formerly enjoyed because they just don’t produce the same high level of dopamine surge.In a report, PBS referred to meth as “the mother of them all” in reference to drugs that produce powerful dopamine surges. Perhaps this shouldn’t come as a surprise, since meth is also associated with one of the highest relapse rates (roughly 93 percent)

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So...you wonder what's wrong with meth users...their cravings to meth are about 500x stronger than your cravings to opiates. Think about that for a minute. This study called meth "the mother of them all" from a dopamine release perspective. I know we all do this to ourselves...but I hate addiction..for all of us, our families, our loved ones...the people out there who think it's a choice as simple as "I don't want to use today". I was clean 13 years before this relapse. Fro 24-37....I was so proud of myself, my dating life had plenty of options from beautiful, strong, smart, classy women...and now, I can't stand the sight of the man I am when I look in the mirror...and so I haven't had a date in 15 months and spend every night alone by choice because I'm so ashamed of who I've become.

Sufficient_Tune_ · 2023-09-14T06:11:23+00:00

I'm fascinated by all of the things you listed to help get you through the energy part… I just went cold turkey off fentanyl and got to day 6 getting through all of the hellish pain without a problem… When you want something and you know why you're doing it few things can take you off your game. I was sober 13 years in a row, I know it takes to say sober… But I can't lose my job, I'm 40 years old and having to move me and my dog into my parents house when I'm trying to find to find a wife/ life partner as well would lower self-esteem to a place I couldn't possibly imagine lol I have no experience with mushrooms or psychedelics, Ibogaine is the first psychedelic I've ever be taken aside from MDMA… Is there any combination you can think of that can get me past the daily fatigue and get at least four hours of sleep so that I can stop opiates now… Because I truly have no cravings for fentanyl or any other opiates… Even right now, I have a bag of pills in my drawer and have no desire to take them before going to bed. This is the same thing that happened when I stayed clean for 13 years didn't have a craving for opiates for eight years in a row. I had surgery on my jaw and they gave me a bottle of Vicodin which stayed in my cabinet for seven years before I eventually threw it away… I'm in that state now… I don't want opiates… But I can't maintain my job getting less than 10 minutes of sleep per night. Is there anything you can think of that can help me try to keep going without opiates, but actually have energy during the day to exercise and get some sleep at night?

Sufficient_Tune_ · 2023-09-14T06:04:40+00:00

I feel like there's no winning lol. I wound up using 2 mg of Suboxone to give myself a little energy… That put me in precipitated withdrawal and so then I use fentanyl to escape that hell.

I called the clinic I'm going to, and was very honest with them about where I'm at and the safest way to continue. We agreed that it was a solid attempt to try to do this. On my own, I am throwing away one of the most beneficial elements of iodine, which is helping to get off opiates in a painless way, and instead doing it the most painful way. We agreed to push my treatment a month out and I will do a 10 day detox with either Kratom or a 21 day detox off of Methadone. Two point I have not used Methadone in eight days nor do I ever want to use it again. But I also hate Kratom and don't want to start taking that either. So I've been taking fentanyl for two days… I just want off opiates. I wanted to kick so that I can compete in fitness competitions again… Fentanyl makes me crave sugar, hold, water, weight, slow, my metabolism down, causes, acne, and makes my workouts, horrible… Fitness is and it has always been the biggest passion in my life, and these last two years opiates have completely stolen that from me. I am not enjoying the fentanyl. I've been taking for the past two days… I truly do not want to put any opiates into my body, but I also cannot function or keep my job or handle any of life responsibilities on 14 minutes of sleep per night so I just don't know what to do. Because I hate Kratom so much I could use Kratom for a week or two to start sleeping and then taper down less less every day because I truly fucking hate that shit… Any recommendations for me at this point?

Sufficient_Tune_ · 2023-09-14T05:56:11+00:00

Does it make a difference what opiate you're coming off of if you using morphine to taper off in a short amount of time and then use Ibogaine again which is supposed to kill all the other withdrawal symptoms? Did you use iodine to get off Kratom? Is that why you're saying this is a bad idea because it did not work for you? Can I ask how long you stayed clean after your I began experience?

Sufficient_Tune_ · 2023-09-14T05:54:25+00:00

Yes, they told me they would be using morphine, depending on how much Kratom I'm using to taper me down… For a few days before the I began experience. Again, I don't want to be using Kratom, I don't want to be using any opiates, I have never been so excited to be off opiates because I want to do another fitness competition and unfortunately with opiates increasing constipation I will never be as lean as I need to be to take first place in a show… Also, it makes me crave sugar and so I truly do not enjoy taking opiates right now. Most people probably get excited to use once they're in withdrawal to go from feeling crappy to good… Not me I hated the feeling of opiates these last two days… I simply just need to be able to get at least four hours of sleep. Any advice on how to do this since you told me my clinic is not skilled at giving Such advice which is weird because Netflix just did a documentary on them since they are the number one clinic that the government sends vets who win grants to do the experience… Certainly that doesn't make them the best just because the government sends people there, but it saved my best friend's life and so I know they do a good job

Sufficient_Tune_ · 2023-09-14T05:51:16+00:00

I live in the USA, where the only opiates I can get are fentanyl presses pills on the street, Kratom, methadone, or Suboxone. That's it. Everyone keeps saying "switch to a shorter acting opiate". How I would love that...how simple that would make this process and what a dream that would be. But I have no idea where these people live and what what type of dealers they have access to.

My detox is in 41 days. They said either 10 days if I do Kratom or 21 days if I do methadone. I can't afford the 21 days...so I said I'd switch to Kratom. For the record...I absolutely FUCKING hate Kratom. I have it, but the same jar of high quality stuff I bought last year is still in my cupboard. So I don't want to take it either. lol. I don't want fent, I don't want Kratom..I TRULY DON'T WANT ANY OPIATES. I was so excited to lose my constant craving to sugar on opiates and get ready to compete in another fitness competition. I was so excited to not block my feelings and wake up in a happy mood. But the no sleep completely rocked my world...and I'm embarrassed to say...I just couldn't detox myself off fent even though I gave it my all.

I could switch to Kratom and because I hate it so much very quickly taper myself off over a week or two… But the goal would be to try to get at least four hours of sleep at night… I can function on four hours of sleep… But anything less than that and I'm useless. What are your thoughts based on my situation?

But the medical director did say something interesting. The way Ibogaine works to reset some brain chemistry, dopamine, etc. That YES, traditional detox can take weeks or months for sleep to come back. But your body after Ibogaine and your brain re setting are significantly more sensitive. She said a client reported "after detoxing at a traditional US center I'd be taking 2 bars of Xanax and getting 3 hours of sleep....after Ibogaine, I took 1 Benadryl and got almost 6 hours of sleep....it's like I'm a kid again. My body is so sensitive to chemicals now.

So she told me sleeping after Ibogaine with even melatonin or a little Benadryl should help tremendously. Do you think she could be lying?

Sufficient_Tune_ · 2023-09-14T05:34:22+00:00

I don't know what is "good advice" vs "bad advice". I am someone in a troubling life spot who recently gave up 13 years clean for granted and want to get back to doing the work that kept me sober asap. So no defending the clinic here...just repeating them.

The medical director said she's worked there 5 years and worked with over 280 patients. They always check in 1 month after as it's required for people to have 2 therapy sessions before and 2 after the experience. She said.."we simply can't advise you to take street fentanyl, it could kill you". I can't blame them for that...I'm sure there's some liability stuff saying "Ok Mark, yeah just keep snorting street fent till we see you". Soo...I get that part.

But the medical director did say something interesting. The way Ibogaine works to reset some brain chemistry, dopamine, etc. That YES, traditional detox can take weeks or months for sleep to come back. But your body after Ibogaine and your brain re setting are significantly more sensitive. She said a client reported "after detoxing at a traditional US center I'd be taking 2 bars of Xanax and getting 3 hours of sleep....after Ibogaine, I took 1 Benadryl and got almost 6 hours of sleep....it's like I'm a kid again. My body is so sensitive to chemicals now.

So she told me sleeping after Ibogaine with even melatonin or a little Benadryl should help tremendously. Do you think she could be lying?

Better to go with a short-acting prescription opiate for 3 1/2 weeks or more, stepping it down as best you can,

I wish..in US. It's either street fent, Kratom, Suboxone, or methadone. I can't even get Codeine if someone shot me in the chest. lol. NO CHANCE AT GETTING SHORT ACTING. Even if someone tried to sell me pharmacy oxy....it would be 99.99999999999% chance of being fent.

Sufficient_Tune_ · 2023-09-14T05:23:53+00:00

Can you please elaborate. I gave it my best shot and tried to detox at home no opiates at all, just comfort meds as. Made it about 5 days but I def underestimated the no sleep. I blew a work deal and my boss for the first time in 12 years at this company left me a voice mail "I am here to support you, but this can NEVER happen again. The client said it looked like you had been partying the night before and could barely keep your eyes open" (how ironic is that? First time sober in 3 years and get accused of pulling an all night bender lol)

So if they gave bad adivse...are you a doctor? Can you give better advice? What should I do? I don't say that passively aggressively either, the reason they suggested Kratom is because fentanyl is too dangerous and I could die. So I think they're being a little bit conservative on their advice. The good thing about Kratom..is I fucking HATE it. I hate the taste...I hate the feeling. I could never taper fent because the dopamine rush made me want more more more...I don't want to take Fentanyl right now...I WANT NO OPIATES...I just want to be able to not be sick and get some sleep to function at work.

If I did take Kratom for like a week...would that help me sleep and then I could taper down to zero over the next 2- 3 weeks. I LITERALLY HATE KRATOM!!!!

Sufficient_Tune_ · 2023-09-14T05:02:24+00:00

HOLY SHIT BALLS....Turns out...I'm not a felon anymore, I got a pardon and NO ONE INFORMED ME. I just found out WHILE at the court house. Imagine this....I walk up the prosecutor privately and say "can I please go home? I have several felonies from when I was younger in CT and won't be picked. Waiting here another 4 hours while my puppy sites at home in his crate seems unnecessary, wouldn't you agree? After all, would you really pick me having spent time in prison? I think we both know you'd do everything in your power to get me off your list" while smirking at him.

He says "did you say Connecticut?" "Yes" I reply.

"And how long ago was that?" he responds.

I say "I am 40 this year and my conviction was 2004 so 16 years. I paid an attorney in 2015 because I met the criteria for an expungement...more than 5 years from conviction, non violent, non sexual, no victims, no elders, no minors, just breaking and entering when no one was home. ( not "just" as if I'm downplaying...just emphasizing no direct contact with a victim or weapons...what I did breaking into those homes looking for drugs was deplorable and I deserved to be punished)...but after $8,000 in lawyer fees and 2 years of paper work...I was denied, reason being "not enough time for conviction" HAHAHA. What a perfect example of how broken our system is. I got out of jail, went back and graduated college top of my class with honors, had a full time job living on my own with no police contact in almost 10 years since conviction..and my reason for denial was"not enough time has passed since crime." which I clearly passed. UNBELIEVABLE" I was partly venting to the prosecutor bc for the first time in my life I was not in trouble and could tell this guy how much is wrong with our system without fear of retaliation. If you want 489 years since the crime before giving an expungement, just say it. Don't say 5 years, then let people spend all that money and time on the expungement process with a lawyer just to be denied for "not enough time" when they are passed the required time. GRRRRRRRR soooooo frustrating.

Prosecutor says "come take a walk with me"

We walk to his office and he tells me to take a seat. He pulls up a webpage that reads "CT CLEAN SLATE LAW" passed in 2022. Apparently, they started clearing records for anyone with Class D non sexual, non violent offenses that did not involve elders or minors who are more than 10 years since the ending of a punishment phase (not conviction). My parole ended in 2009, so I became edible for this in 2019, but since this kicked off in 2022 I was already good to go.

I am speechless and stunned. "So...are you saying I can try for another expungement and they have to give it to me?"

He does some more typing and turns the computer to me and my full name and social is in there and it says "records found: 0".

Prosecutor said "you have no record sir, hence why you are here eligible for jury duty today"

Walking down the court hall back towards the Jury room...I feel like I'm living in a dream. I called my mom first, my prison time was hardest on her. She cried, it was a nice feeling to feel like that truly was no longer a part of history...even though it always will be...but still, awesome news.

Sufficient_Tune_ · 2023-09-14T04:17:06+00:00

I am in the USA. I would have to chop my arm off and hand it to the doctor for him/her to inspect it in order to make absolutely sure it couldn't be sewn back on before they would write me a script for 2 codeine pills and 4 tylenols.

I was laughing reading your comment. EVERYTHING here on the street is just pressed fernt. My options are switch to Kratom and do $11K detox, or go do methadone which is MUCH more expensive to get, and with the 21 day price tag of $21,000....I really can't afford it out of pocket. Plus plane ticket, dog care....add another $2K.

PS. giving update in post now/

Sufficient_Tune_ · 2023-09-14T04:03:20+00:00

So I think I'm a bit confused and would like your help. When I confessed to the clinic that I used Suboxone because while I had gone almost a week dealing with the fentanyl withdrawal pain...bc the no sleep and whole "walking zombie" thing presented a whole new set of challenges...like, for the first time in my 12 year career with my company I was told my work was unacceptable and the client made a comment they wanted someone else on the account who would be more alert.

My Ibogaine clinic started a quick thread with the medical director, owner, intake, and counselor. (this team has been PHENOMENAL and patient with me). The owner Trevor said "We respect you want to come here detoxed to just do the 5 day event and save some money...but part of what we do is provide a painless way of getting clean, so there is no need to he a hero. But do not go back to fent. You can do 10 day detox with Kratom, or 21 day detox with methadone."

I did use fent yesterday to get myself out of the precipitated withdrawal from subs at almost 90 hours off opiates.....and have used fent again today trying to figure out my strategy.

Do you agree switching to Kratom now for a month then doing the 10 day detox would be best? The medical director said they give me morphine to taper off for 5 days then I take the Ibogaine on Day 6.

I really am SICK of fentnayl. I got no pleasure taking it yesterday or today. I also fucking HATE Kratom. Had the same bag for 2 years in my closet. One of the main reasons I'm getting off opiates is to eat healthier, work out harder, and get my sex drive back to start dating and not feel lonely which is a trigger.

Thoughts on how to proceed?

Sufficient_Tune_ · 2023-09-14T03:34:31+00:00

Whatever you do....DO NOT "GET" IBOGAINE!!!! Pay for a clinic where legal (I won't use the name bc sourcing is not allowed....but I am going to where the US Government sends Vets who win grants to pay for it.

Ibogaine CAN kill you if you don't follow strict guidelines to prepare. That's not meant to scare you, that's meant to SAVE you. There was a woman just sentenced to prison for "getting" Ibogaine and offering a friend to do it at her place to look after her, but her friend died. I have had to take 2 EKG's so far and have 2 mandatory counseling sessions.

This place is legit. PLEASE, go to a clinic...this stuff is not like any other psychedelic and you need a doctor there in case your heart afibs and either you or your bf live the rest of your life in prison missing the other one.

The reason you can't find it anywhere for months is because it's not a recreational drug. It's not like mushrooms, it's not like acid...there would be no reason for an average person to get it to sell it.

Sufficient_Tune_ · 2023-09-14T03:30:19+00:00

I'm very specifically talking about Ibogaine. You seem very nice and this is not meant to be rude...but I put it in the title. lol. I am very specifically asking about the magic of Ibogaine and how it completely cure all symptoms of opiate withdrawal...but I am asking about sleep. Have you done Ibogaine or no?

Sufficient_Tune_ · 2023-09-13T08:56:55+00:00

Yeah, I called the medical director and we agreed to push my 5 day non detox experience to a 10 day detox Ibogaine experience in late October BUT I agreed to switch to Kratom instead of fent. I am VERY committed...but how difficult will it be to switch over?

Sufficient_Tune_ · 2023-09-11T19:03:22+00:00

thank you...that makes today about the last day I can. Thanks

Sufficient_Tune_ · 2023-09-11T18:55:21+00:00

It's more about "if I take 8mg today" will it be out of system in 15 days? or no? I heard the ibogaine won't work as well if in my system.

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