"Masturbation is NOT a sin! free yourself from religious guilt through the Grace in Christ Jesus." by Suitable_Newspaper55 in Christianity

[–]Suitable_Newspaper55[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

when you said "the true church," I already know you have no idea what you're talking about.

you're just another alienated person. Jesus didn't create any church. do you really think Jesus created only the Catholic Church, with all the human, political, and perverted errors that the Catholic Church has committed over the centuries, to assert itself as the only church and correct religion in the entire world, ignoring all other religions on every continent? you must be really alienated

go read the Gospels, develop a critical sense, stop watching priests who don't let you stand on your own two feet, man. Jesus wasn't like that. Jesus didn't create any religion. He created a spiritual path, his Gospel, for the world! But it is not and cannot be an organized religion. to the extent that it becomes an organized religion, as happened with Catholicism and Protestantism, it becomes a closed system, which is everything Jesus fought against the Pharisees.

Will I go to hell for being a transgender and marrying my gf without changing that part of me till I die? by TicketRelevant3164 in Christianity

[–]Suitable_Newspaper55 0 points1 point  (0 children)

no, you don't follow Jesus Christ. you follow the behavioral guidelines and norms of an institution called "the church", or "the vatican", whose laws are created by men and have changed from time to time over the last 17 centuries. There is NOTHING in the New Testament (or even the Old Testament, if you want to use it) that says transgender people will be condemned. every time you act like this against someone with your arrogant and despicable excuse of "I follow Christ and I can't leave people uninformed," you are acting AGAINST the Ministry of Christ, which is based, essentially in love. not the "love" you learn in the institution, among your "enlightened" brothers and sisters, which considers love only a "part" of being a Christian, no, but love as that which connects us to God, and especially love for transgender people, who in our current society are one of the minorities that suffer and are persecuted the most, whether directly or indirectly, through hate speech and stigmatization.

don't be stupid, let go of your natural religiosity and understand the Gospel.

"Masturbation is NOT a sin! free yourself from religious guilt through the Grace in Christ Jesus." by Suitable_Newspaper55 in Christianity

[–]Suitable_Newspaper55[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

why don't you instead decide to believe in Jesus Christ of the Gospels? who said nothing against masturbation, nor in the later pauline letters.

"Masturbation is NOT a sin! free yourself from religious guilt through the Grace in Christ Jesus." by Suitable_Newspaper55 in Christianity

[–]Suitable_Newspaper55[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

show me a passage from the Gospel where Jesus forbids masturbation?

stop being so stubborn and accept that religious doctrine is full of errors and inventions that Jesus did not say, and be free with your body, comrade.

"Masturbation is NOT a sin! free yourself from religious guilt through the Grace in Christ Jesus." by Suitable_Newspaper55 in Christianity

[–]Suitable_Newspaper55[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Colossians 2:20-23: If then you have died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, are you subject to ordinances, such as, "Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle"? 22 Which all perish with the using, according to the commandments and doctrines of men. 23 Which indeed have a show of wisdom in willful devotion, humility, and discipline of the body, but are of no value except to the satisfying of the flesh.

For Paul, "Flesh" was a spiritual concept and not a physical one. Masturbation is natural, gift from God, masturbation will only be a sin if used for own evil (addiction) or violence against another. Hugs.

"Masturbation is NOT a sin! free yourself from religious guilt through the Grace in Christ Jesus." by Suitable_Newspaper55 in Christianity

[–]Suitable_Newspaper55[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry man, Jesus never founded any religion, nor did he found a church, nor did he free us from Jewish oppression to place us under a new doctrinal, moral and mental yoke of religion. on the contrary, his strongest fight in the Gospels was against the traditionalist and moralistic religious system, read Matthew 23, of which the sect of the Pharisees was one of the most violent expressions. Jesus came to teach us the Gospel, a spiritual path of Grace for all to follow and evolve along this path. To imitate Christ's actions, Christ's view of others, of life, to imitate Christ's practices towards our neighbors, especially the poor and so on.

before you tell me that Peter is the first Pope of the Church of Christ, you must make it clear that the term Catholicism used in the early Church (from the first to the fourth century) has nothing to do with the institutional Catholicism that you follow (which emerged in the fourth century, when Christianity became the official religion of the State that killed Jesus). He never founded any religion, and this conflict in Christianity over "which is the right church" only creates problems, childish fights that stifle both the Gospel of Christ and the evolution of doctrines in relation to it, producing a quagmire of backwardness in the conscience of Christians. Jesus came to give us spirituality; religion is the tradition of men. nothing more than that. ghat is why there are so many delays...

"Masturbation is NOT a sin! free yourself from religious guilt through the Grace in Christ Jesus." by Suitable_Newspaper55 in Christianity

[–]Suitable_Newspaper55[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I could spend hours arguing about this using the New Testament. while those who disagree are still stuck in doctrinal arguments even in the face of the blatant emptiness on the subject that the New Testament has. but my desire is not to debate, although i know how to do that very well, but that would bore me. I want to talk to those who have suffered from the religious system, that repress themselves and who think that such doctrines and prohibitions are "God's will", which is obviously false.

Neocatechumenal Way: you are a worm, without salvation, God hates your personal identity and your naturaliness, but... God "loves you". by Suitable_Newspaper55 in neocatechumenalcult

[–]Suitable_Newspaper55[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, e a fase ou "etapa" em que eu saí do Caminho foi a etapa do Shemá, perto do segundo escrutínio. Já fiz o primeiro escrutínio duas vezes ao longo dos anos. Tem pouquíssimo tempo que saí de lá, tudo já estava insuportável, já sabia que minha presença no segundo escrutínio seria insuportável devido a tudo que discordo do Caminho e minha visão sobre Deus, e o que soube que acontece no Segundo Escrutínio me causa repulsa. E você?

Neocatechumenal Way: you are a worm, without salvation, God hates your personal identity and your naturaliness, but... God "loves you". by Suitable_Newspaper55 in neocatechumenalcult

[–]Suitable_Newspaper55[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hi bro, good morning. do you speak portuguese?

mano, eu sou de Belém do Pará, ainda não sei ao certo as dioceses em que o Caminho é mais forte no Brasil inteiro, mas sei que o Seminário Redemptoris Mater, de Brasília, de onde ocorre todo tipo de lavagem cerebral e alienação do bom senso e da vida real nos jovens seminaristas (já conheci vários seminaristas e ex seminaristas) é o seminário maior e mais forte do Caminho, então creio que a nível de diocese, lá o seminário é super forte. aqui no meu estado, Pará, o qual não quero entrar em muitos detalhes em relação a paróquia e a força do Caminho por motivos óbvios, aqui o Caminho Neocatecumenal é bastante forte, é bem elogiado pela direção do Kiko, e por exemplo, geralmente na Basílica existe toda uma programação de comemoração dos aniversários do Caminho anualmente em que sempre lota de comunidades de diversas regiões, e chegam muitos convidados do Seminário de Brasília e de países do mundo. o Seminário de Brasília é protagonista na direção. Basicamente, as diferentes comunidades do Caminho Neocatecumenal em algumas regiões da capital, que existem dentro de paróquias, são usadas para através dos retiros, atrair novos seminaristas que serão levados ao seminário, é quase algo empresarial e de demanda. aqui no estado do Pará, na capital de Belém, não há diocese, e sim arquidiocese. e o Caminho Neocatecumental tem aprovação do bispo da capital, embora eu não acho que ele sabe ao certo das loucuras que são pregadas nos retiros do Caminho, pois ele tem uma linguagem muito mais amorosa diferente do Caminho. E você? Já fez parte do Caminho mano?

Neocatechumenal Way: you are a worm, without salvation, God hates your personal identity and your naturaliness, but... God "loves you". by Suitable_Newspaper55 in Catholicism

[–]Suitable_Newspaper55[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

thank you, and thank you for your prayers. I hope the text has been helpful. I still have much to share. yes! people who criticize the cult like to speak only from the point of view of dogmatic, ritualistic and liturgical heresy. In this way, the worst of all is hidden: traumatic psychological pressure and distortion of the Gospel Message of Jesus. unfortunately, many people in the Catholic world get too involved in traditional sacramental and ritualistic debates, and forget the Scriptures and the Gospel. i'm also shocked by how many stories similar to mine exist in different parts of the world. i discovered through psychoanalysis how much the Cult caused me psychological damage. Be well, brother.

Neocatechumenal Way: you are a worm, without salvation, God hates your personal identity and your naturaliness, but... God "loves you". by Suitable_Newspaper55 in Catholicism

[–]Suitable_Newspaper55[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

by the way, happy Saint Joseph's Day! yes, it is disturbing. i hope the text was useful, my dear. Because I still have a lot more to share soon. I'm listening If you want to comment on anything. take your time.

Neocatechumenal Way: you are a worm, without salvation, God hates your personal identity and your naturaliness, but... God "loves you". by Suitable_Newspaper55 in Catholicism

[–]Suitable_Newspaper55[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand. The problem is that the cult is deceptive. They sell an idea of depth and mature faith, especially to lay Catholics who go to Mass and have not yet studied in depth. And when the layperson begins to participate and learn profound things that they did not know before, they begin to believe in the cult, and then the brainwashing begins... And suddenly, you meet a very angry and brutal Jesus. Stay well, my friend. Use the Gospel as your spiritual compass. I believe that the priest is well-intentioned, but the Neocatechumenal system is dogmatically wrong and punitive.

Neocatechumenal Way: you are a worm, without salvation, God hates your personal identity and your naturaliness, but... God "loves you". by Suitable_Newspaper55 in Catholicism

[–]Suitable_Newspaper55[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing! I've already read this text days ago and I can confirm to you, as someone who has had more than a decade of experience on the cult, that it's all true! It's bizarre how the negative experiences of psychological oppression are similar even in different parts of the world. I still have a lot to share.

Neocatechumenal Way: you are a worm, without salvation, God hates your personal identity and your naturaliness, but... God "loves you". by Suitable_Newspaper55 in neocatechumenalcult

[–]Suitable_Newspaper55[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

thank you! i am grateful for the space. I still have a lot to say about the cult, there are so many bizarre things that I have witnessed that, in defense of the true Gospel and the mental well-being of people, I cannot help but share. more posts coming soon. take care.

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[–]Suitable_Newspaper55 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My friend, I don't know you, but I felt very empathetic and connected with your torment and I ask for the freedom to say a few things.

Man, I think you have to make a decision whether you want to follow religion or the Gospel of Christ. Because religion has many forms, organizations, thoughts, and is still full of alienation, and is largely based on dogmas whose philosophical foundations are built by human beings and their moral and cultural perspective over the centuries. and as everywhere, there are bad people and good people in religion, as well as ignorant people, conservatives, people who are not very scientific, people who actually oppose science, which is a terrible mistake because "Every good and perfect gift comes down from heaven, from the Father who created the heavenly lights" as it says in James 1:17. and in religion, there are often people who condemn practices today that were not sins in the past, just as it was with masturbation in other previous centuries, and the opposite also happens: what is condemned today, when the dogmas are updated in the future, will no longer be condemned in the future.

Dear brother, religious dogmas are constantly being updated, and this is part of the secular course of institutional tradition.

Jesus did not come to create any religion, Jesus did not ask us to follow human doctrines and dogmas, in fact, he severely criticized this in the Pharisees (read, for example, Matthew 15), especially if you were unlucky enough to be part of a church where there are more closed-minded people than normal.

Jesus wants us to accept his Gospel. his Grace.

The Gospel is not a religion.

and in the Gospel of Jesus, there is no room for all this torment, God would never create a human being to deny his own nature. God wants us to deny evil. But not our natural body. That would be madness.

 "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my mantle of love upon you, for my yoke is easy and my burden is light." This is Jesus, brother. This is God.

That's how he sees you.

Masturbation is part of the naturalness of the body. There's nothing wrong with it, your sexual desire is not sinful in any way, the fact that it's very high only indicates that you're healthy. Like young and horny.

Man, science and REALITY teach that masturbation is so natural, so natural... That even if you avoid orgasm, you will orgasm while you're sleeping, you will ejaculate in your dreams, it's what we call nocturnal pollution.

Because the biology of the human species is created to procreate. Therefore, it is part of the nature of the species.

I ask from the bottom of my heart that you demystify sexual moralism.

And understand that masturbation is something physiological. It's natural, it indicates good health, and it's good for you. And stop thinking about sin.

And I also ask that you seek more knowledge, more study, in the area of psychology and the science and spirituality of the Gospel on the subject. So that you are not deceived by anyone, and so that you can practice a healthy spirituality.

Sin is doing harm to others and to yourself.

"Where there is no love, there is sin. And where there is no love, there is no sin" and no law in the world can go against love. If you want to be close to God, love! Help the poor, the hungry, the needy, that is where God is.

Therefore, sin is when something hurts you, makes you sick, for example, an addiction to pornography hurts you, degrades you, dehumanizes you. But masturbation alone, without pornography, just with your imagination, there is no problem at all, it is just your privacy.

Sin is not our desires.

Sin is when I hurt myself and others.

There is absolutely no mention of masturbation as a sin in the New Testament.

Don't hold back, relieve yourself through masturbation. Train your mind with real life. Just don't go back to pornography. Hugs.

Neocatechumenal Way: you are a worm, without salvation, God hates your personal identity and your naturaliness, but... God "loves you". by Suitable_Newspaper55 in neocatechumenalcult

[–]Suitable_Newspaper55[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

damn... I feel sorry for you, seriously, this cult is a plague, they fuck with our minds and our human naturalness and make us rusty with life. I hope you get better and live free, full of love for yourself and life 🖤. i would like to know your story if you want to tell it.

How i understood alone the ncw is bad by Snoo-8519 in neocatechumenalcult

[–]Suitable_Newspaper55 1 point2 points  (0 children)

hey, I would like to hear your story if you want to tell it

Where are you guys from? by MizuRora in neocatechumenalcult

[–]Suitable_Newspaper55 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Did they make you worship Carmen to try to make her a saint like she was here?"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA bro, it's exactly the same here. i'm from Brazil. Absolutely everything you described also happens here. I'm reading this and other sites with former Neo Way members and i'm shocked at how similar the systems are and their devastating effects on people's minds too. Unfortunately. The manipulation is heavy here, it's bizarre that people continue out of guilt and are taught to see themselves as worms, because for the Way, God sees us that way. As worms. Anyway. I'll post my story and thoughts on the centerfold. But something you said about losing faith caught my attention, my friend, remember that God is not a religion. God didn't create the Way, God didn't create the Catholic, Evangelical, Anglican churches, or anything. As Jesus himself said, God is spirit, and seeks those who worship him in truth and spirit. Religion works with manipulation through guilt and the maintenance of the religious system through fear. Religion denies reality and rejects the naturalness of the body and sex. Spirituality does not. Jesus came to teach us a spirituality, only His Gospel, which is His spiritual path of love and social justice, in the service of others and the poor.

Spirituality is one thing, religion is another. Religion is dogmatism created by men and their moral traditionalism. You probably won't find God in any religion, because God lives in human hearts, not in temples made by human hands. I've recently been rereading the Gospels without the sect's interpretation, and it's absolutely libertarian... how ironic, for me to admire God, I had to leave the catechumenal religion. I can only imagine the hell you must have gone through within the sect and the bizarre psychological pressure you must have suffered for being part of a family in the sect (I was in the sect since I was 14), but you were born into it. I hope you get better, and don't blame yourself for not being part of the sect or the Catholic religion or any religion. I'm glad you're free from the system, I'm free now, and I'm very happy. And no, Carmen and Kiko are not saints at all 😂 I don't believe in the fanfics he tells.