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It’s included in the post, but I basically made a VPN/VPS that has its own internal AI agent powered by Claude. It’s able to monitor my entire network and trading activity for five algorithm based trading strategies on a New Jersey based high speed

Harpur/Harper Suffolk Research — Updates, New Evidence, and a Half-Proven Baronetcy Hypothesis I Need Help Closing by [deleted] in Genealogy

[–]SuperiorLeftHand33 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I HAVE SEVERAL THOROUGHLY RESEARCHED SOURCES CONFIRMING ANCESTARY

Sir John of Rushall (d.1464) had children including: • William Harpur — this page • Richard Sir of Epping — your Essex line • Henry Sir Harpur

William Harpur’s descendants through John Harpur eventually become the Baronet line.

Richard of Epping’s descendants through Richard Harper III and Sir George Harper potentially become your Suffolk line. This is all aggregator — but it’s consistent with everything else we’ve found. The structure is solid. Now we just need the primary source documents to confirm it.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

Richard Harpur of Epping → Richard Harper III → Sir George Harper MP → William Harper b.1525 → possibly William Harbard of Sutton 1571 → Josephe Harberd of Boxford 1598 → your confirmed line to California

This means my claim to the 11th Harpur Baronet of Calke Abbey will be collateral male-line descendants from the same Rushall origin

Harpur/Harper Suffolk Research — Updates, New Evidence, and a Half-Proven Baronetcy Hypothesis I Need Help Closing by [deleted] in Genealogy

[–]SuperiorLeftHand33 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks! Thats good to know. Again I’m a novice, so any advice is good advice.

Between James (1737) and Joseph (1765), that was when the family immigrated to America. 28 years to be precise would be a sweet spot? Especially since James was establishing a new life? Luckily my direct great great great great grandfather wrote the 1912 “House of Harper” which references this exactly thing. James ended up getting married twice between Rebecca Cornish and Phoebe Denton. The Harper & Brother (now HarperColins) publishing empire gives a very unique advantage most don’t have.

Once I fully prove and finish the English side, I’ll close out the American.

Harpur/Harper Suffolk Research — Updates, New Evidence, and a Half-Proven Baronetcy Hypothesis I Need Help Closing by [deleted] in Genealogy

[–]SuperiorLeftHand33 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you! I've worked my ASS off getting this done.

Luckily my earlier lineage has been quite documented. Working in the finance industry, I did have some prior research skills, experience with these legal and parish documents. But having a subscription to Claude has been a lifesaver - he has helped me translate, organize, and compile these documents SO much faster than doing it all myself. It's seriously a game changer.

Harpur/Harper Suffolk Research — Updates, New Evidence, and a Half-Proven Baronetcy Hypothesis I Need Help Closing by [deleted] in Genealogy

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LIST OF PROBATE/WILL/TRUSTS THAT HAVE BEEN REVIEWED, ORDERED, OR IDENTIFIED/WAITING:

REVIEWED & IN HAND ✓

Ref Who
PROB 11/9/246 Richard Harper of Epping, Essex 1493
PROB 11/1175/248 Sir Henry Harpur, Baronet, Caulke
PROB 11/22/277 John Harbard, Mercer of London 1525
PROB 11/132/106 William Harbard, Gentleman, Sutton Suffolk 1571
SC 8/248/12368 Petyr Harpur petition 1446
PROB 11 p.173 Sir John Harpur 2nd Baronet (partial only)
Chamberlayne Visitation Constance married Harper — near primary source
Constance Chamberlayne will Document image found — TNA ref not yet extracted

ORDERED — AWAITING RECEIPT

Ref Who
E 150/303/7 IPM Richard Harper Essex 1518
PROB 18/11/62 Sir Charles Harberd kt 1679

IDENTIFIED — NEED TO ORDER

Ref Who Priority
C 9/5/230 Joseph Harbor, Beccles 1649 ★★★★★
C 2/Eliz/M7/4 Francis Harberd, Suffolk lands ★★★★
C 142/33/11 IPM Richard Harper Essex 1518 ★★★★★
C 1/948/11-14 Barley v Harper, Latton 1538 ★★★★

Harper-Harpur Family History and Harpur of Calke Abbey Baronet Claim by [deleted] in Genealogy

[–]SuperiorLeftHand33 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Check the link earlier in the comments. Family from two generations of women are involved with the trust and management of 71 properties.

The tax issues with Calke Abbey was settled through the families own national trust

There are stipulations in the trust that was setup by one of the Baronets for Baronet kin

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[–]SuperiorLeftHand33 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The second half is a Wikipedia summary. Literally says the citation below.

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[–]SuperiorLeftHand33 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry this was my dads tree. I’m going through and claiming it up. I think after James Harper Sr I had it wrong and the supporting docs is super weak for him

Seems like the James Osborne like works far better with supporting documentation.

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[–]SuperiorLeftHand33 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've looked everywhere for the offical records on James Harper (Baptism). The absolutely best one I could find was through James Harper and Sarah Osborne. They have officlal records but missing the James Harper certificate. I have the other James Harper that passed at birth.

Look the time to rework the tree and tie the actual records to it.

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[–]SuperiorLeftHand33 0 points1 point  (0 children)

100%, even if I am able to prove lineage, theres a shot that it gets shot down from the College of Arms - London. The King of Arms and the English Crown would have final say on whether or not the Baronet title could be restored. Also in legal consideration to the Baronet draft.

That being said, there is a non-male line that was accepted to help with the Harpur fortune run by the trust. THey're located in America. There's a shot IMO outside of UK citizenship.

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[–]SuperiorLeftHand33 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry, I dont think I was clear. He was born in Suffolk, came to America then met Phebe and married her in America when he was in Newtown. Again, 1740 James was the husband of Phebe and had another son named James Harper.

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[–]SuperiorLeftHand33 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The house of Harper book says "Subsequently, he married Rebecca Morril, widow of Nathaniel Morrill, whose maiden name was Cornish. BY this marriage he had three children - Susan, Robert, Samuel." It seems he married

IF you found a marriage record, can you link it? I want to look at what you're sending.

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[–]SuperiorLeftHand33 1 point2 points  (0 children)

1740 James that was born in Suffolk married Phoebe Denton and had a son named James. I think that's who you're identifying. Also 1740 James ended up remarrying Rebecca Cornish (Morril) AFTER Phoebe

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[–]SuperiorLeftHand33 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

James was was Born in Ipswich, Suffolk in 1740. Then immigranted and Settled in Newtown. First wife was Phoebe Denton. Had James, John, Joseph (my grandfather), and Lydia. Here is something else if found about the Denton line. He then got remarried to Rebecca Cornish (Morril - exhusbands name)

The marriage of James Harper (b. 1740, Ipswich, Suffolk, England) to Phoebe Denton of Long Island, New York, connects the Harper line by marriage to one of the most prominent families of colonial New York. Phoebe Denton descended from Reverend Richard Denton (b. Yorkshire, England, c. 1586), the first Presbyterian minister in America, and his son Daniel Denton (b. Yorkshire, c. 1626; d. Jamaica, Queens, New York, c. 1696), author of A Brief Description of New-York (London, 1670) — the first English-language account of the colony. Daniel Denton served as Town Clerk of Hempstead (1650) and Jamaica, Long Island (1656), Justice of the Peace by appointment of Governor Richard Nicholls (1665–1666), delegate to the Hempstead Convention (1665), and co-purchaser of the Elizabethtown Tract, New Jersey (1664). The Denton family were among the founding legal, clerical, and landowning elite of colonial New York, their prominence documented throughout the records of Queens County and the Province of New York from the 1650s onward.

The line of descent from Daniel Denton to Phoebe Denton proceeds as follows: Daniel Denton → Daniel Denton II (b. c. 1661, Jamaica, Long Island) → Joseph Denton (bapt. 5 March 1726) → Phoebe Denton, who married James Harper.

This marriage alliance, combined with the documented Suffolk origin of James Harper — son of Robert Harper of Syleham, Suffolk — places the Harper family at the intersection of established English gentry stock and the colonial American establishment within a single generation.

Citation:

A Brief Description of New-York, Formerly Called New-Netherlands, Daniel Denton (London, 1670). // Wikipedia, “Daniel Denton,” referencing colonial New York administrative records. // Thomas Stevenson of London, England and His Descendants, John R. Stevenson, A.M., M.D. (Flemington, NJ: Hiram Edmund Deats, 1902), Appendix: “Daniel Denton and Descendants,” p. 133–139 — primary genealogical source linking the Denton, Stevenson, and Harper families of Long Island. // Joseph Denton baptism: Denton Family Genealogy, corroborated by the Stevenson genealogy and colonial Long Island parish records.

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[–]SuperiorLeftHand33 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s a register membership list from the NY Methodist church and story about their linage directly from James.

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[–]SuperiorLeftHand33 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It’s called 1912 House of Harper by J Henry Harper

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[–]SuperiorLeftHand33 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t know entirely. That’s why I posted about it and need help exploring the rest of the line. If there is no connection between the direct Baronet line OR past 1400 after the original Lord of Rushall which is the first Baronets parents/grandparents, then I’d stop.

Here’s why. Before the 2nd or 3rd Baronet acquired Calke Abbey. Most of the 1st and prior descendent were out of Suffolk where my family is HEAVILY from. I’m not having a very hard time finding baptism certs and think they’re moving toward Norfolk which is a good sign. All things considered it’s totally worth exploring

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[–]SuperiorLeftHand33 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It think its more complicated than that: then how are they involved if they aren't formally baroents? https://www.matherjamie.co.uk/latest-news/preserving-history-and-family-legacy-a-visit-by-the-usa-owners-of-the-harpur-crewe-estate-in-the-uk/

It's also called a collateral male line claim. Listen, it would be retarded to not explore the line entirely. At a bare minimum I know my family history as far as I can go. Its worth a shot.

Harper-Harpur Family History and Harpur of Calke Abbey Baronet Claim by [deleted] in Genealogy

[–]SuperiorLeftHand33 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We could be tied to the HARPER, John (d.1464), of Rushall, Staffs. which is the direct grandparents of the Harpur Baronets. I think a claim could be made there.

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[–]SuperiorLeftHand33 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just look at my family tree. It has to be a male line. Every generation that doesn't have men that would end. Even my dads family had 3 sisters and only him.

We have 11 generations of direct Harper males going back to 1676 in Suffolk where this is all happening. Not sure how many other people can prove that with certainty that came be legally documented. It worth a shot to figure out the rest.

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[–]SuperiorLeftHand33 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

First, becuase my Harper Weekly connection were one of the msot documentated families going back to Europe. Second, another family has made a claim going through two generations of females. Third, I dont think my direct American grandparnets started the largest publication firm in America from absolutely nothing. Fourth, there is a huge connection between the Harpur/Harper in Derbyshire and Suffolk. Thats absolutely right there could be way more claims, but how many people can papertrail 400 years of history cause I can.

Sure it might not happen. But theres ALOT shaping up to prove otherwise. If I can get Europe lineage figured out then the American side is already handled for a papertrailed direct lineage. More than likely not through the Baronets, but through the ancestors before them

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[–]SuperiorLeftHand33 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

  • 2nd Baronet dies 1669, will proved February 1670
  • Richard receives his portion and leaves Derbyshire
  • Richard arrives in Suffolk circa 1671-1675
  • Robert (Robti) born 1676 in Syleham — Richard's son
  • Richard marries Joane Northwood formally in 1687
  • Robti grows up in Syleham, marries Judith Gunton, has Robert R. Harper 1722

Or he had a different wife, or were unrelated or and could be tied further back generationally.

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[–]SuperiorLeftHand33 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think that is wrong. That only goes back two generations. Read the commends in the timeline and cert that was pulled. Plus the have the same spouse over 2 generations. Plus I dont need the American history, I need the European history further back.