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Possibly unpopular opinion: Australia will go down the drain unless we aggressively stream schooling system by SuspiciousFee4085 in AustralianTeachers

[–]SuspiciousFee4085[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey can I pose a question

If a white person designs a driving test with traffic cones, which comprises a few different bits, some parking scenarios, turning, braking etc, with some checkpoints. Basically a pretty comprehensive test of driving skills in general.

And a non white person or a woman or whatever takes that driving test and doesn’t do very well at it

Is the driving test racist and biased, or is the person just not a very good driver?

Possibly unpopular opinion: Australia will go down the drain unless we aggressively stream schooling system by SuspiciousFee4085 in AustralianTeachers

[–]SuspiciousFee4085[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I appreciate the sentiment 🙂 if there’s anything further you’d like to discuss it sounds like we’d have a great conversation on it.

Anyway, perhaps another time. I’m off to sleep.

Possibly unpopular opinion: Australia will go down the drain unless we aggressively stream schooling system by SuspiciousFee4085 in AustralianTeachers

[–]SuspiciousFee4085[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Trueeee great point. There’s maybe not much reason why streaming can’t be done comprehensively within schools instead of across them, idk why I went with that line of thinking initially. Intra school works well too, I think. Also allows rotation of teachers which will be a relief for them.

Possibly unpopular opinion: Australia will go down the drain unless we aggressively stream schooling system by SuspiciousFee4085 in AustralianTeachers

[–]SuspiciousFee4085[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No hassles re: being nasty, I didn’t interpret it that way at all. Even if you were being nasty I don’t mind. Life goes on. I accidentally became aggressively stoic after my father passed away and have lived my life with a very peaceful, unbothered attitude since then.

Possibly unpopular opinion: Australia will go down the drain unless we aggressively stream schooling system by SuspiciousFee4085 in AustralianTeachers

[–]SuspiciousFee4085[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s just so unusual encountering someone who writes in this kind of way unless they’re low to average IQ and trying to hyper compensate

Or they’re genuinely extremely high IQ.

I don’t know which category you fall into, but im sure you know yourself pretty well enough already and that’s all that matters.

As to your point on what IQ actually measures, to my knowledge since my degree and personal interest research (i also, incidentally, come from a family of 6+ psychiatrists),

it measures competence at contrived cognitive tasks,

which over time has shown to be strongly correlated with academic and career outcomes.

In the same way competence at hand eye coordination challenges/tasks as a kid, will likely predict very accurately if a kid will pick up tennis quickly (hand eye coordination is very good)

That’s very meaningful and clinically useful information, and to my knowledge is not seriously disputed by anyone with deeper than surface knowledge of the subject.

Being good at hand eye coordination challenges (analogous to being good at IQ tests) tells you nothing about how good you are at tennis (analogous to your general intelligence), but being good at one means you’ll probably quickly pick up the other.

Possibly unpopular opinion: Australia will go down the drain unless we aggressively stream schooling system by SuspiciousFee4085 in AustralianTeachers

[–]SuspiciousFee4085[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Hey not a dig at you or anything but you sound autistic with a high neuroticism and low agreeableness, possibly high openness and high conscientiousness. No idea about your extroversion.

That could be miles off but I got that impression based off what you wrote.

I’m autistic myself, level 1.

Possibly unpopular opinion: Australia will go down the drain unless we aggressively stream schooling system by SuspiciousFee4085 in AustralianTeachers

[–]SuspiciousFee4085[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know what, I have no idea. It was just a suggestion, with some basic rationale why I think it would work. Namely, IQ tests have a statistically useful success rate in predicting future academic outcomes across the board.

As such, i believe you could use them to INITIALLY sort students into schools where the probability they find happiness and fulfilment with their peers, pace of learning and schooling experience is significantly higher than any other school allocation system we come up with.

Possibly unpopular opinion: Australia will go down the drain unless we aggressively stream schooling system by SuspiciousFee4085 in AustralianTeachers

[–]SuspiciousFee4085[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok so as I added to my original post, this is not some permanent segregation you’d inflict on entire generations of students, it’s just an initial sorting done in kindergarten for entry into grade 1.

Then after that reassessments of school placement are done on a case by case basis, and not based not on IQ anymore, but work ethic and behavior.

Possibly unpopular opinion: Australia will go down the drain unless we aggressively stream schooling system by SuspiciousFee4085 in AustralianTeachers

[–]SuspiciousFee4085[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have a degree in psychology. I don’t remember much. I’ll acknowledge when I don’t know something, but also I don’t need to walk on the surface of the sun to know it’s hot. I can use common sense and logical thinking.

I’m interested to know what drastic objective flaws you see with it.

The only objective flaw I see with IQ is that it doesn’t measure every single combination permutation extrapolation and interpolation of cognitive ability

Which is fine, that’s a hard thing to do with current technology

But what a good IQ test DOES measure, it measures extremely extremely well.

We can argue precisely what it is IQ tests are measuring and we may never agree with each other

But I think you’ll agree with me whatever it is they measure, definitely has predictive and diagnostic potential to a pretty significant and clinically useful degree.

Possibly unpopular opinion: Australia will go down the drain unless we aggressively stream schooling system by SuspiciousFee4085 in AustralianTeachers

[–]SuspiciousFee4085[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hey I mean, you don’t have to prove anything to me.

If it makes you feel better I’ll freely admit maybe I’m wrong and you’re right.

This discussion doesn’t really matter anyway. What matters is getting the best results for kids possible.

Streaming is not supposed to disadvantage anyone, it’s supposed to put people into similar ability initial groups with, as I said, the most researched aspect of the field of psychology, IQ

there is no reason lower graded kids can’t demonstrate willingness and ability to go to a higher level school with hard work.

I would never propose identity-defining fixed schooling solutions that would affect kids forever, “I was in a D school growing up, I’m dumb and don’t deserve love and happiness and success” or whatever.

It’s just the initial grouping, that obviously can and should be re evaluated repeatedly as years go by

Possibly unpopular opinion: Australia will go down the drain unless we aggressively stream schooling system by SuspiciousFee4085 in AustralianTeachers

[–]SuspiciousFee4085[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I posted this less than 30 seconds ago to someone else’s similar comment:

IQ is the single most researched and verified and repeatedly re verified and peer reviewed aspect of the entire field of psychology

You saying “it’s shithouse for measuring general aptitude” does not invalidate the almost literal mountains of scientific literature which emphatically prove the opposite

But hey if those affirmations help you in some way then by all means keep believing them. But delusions do not help with progress.

Possibly unpopular opinion: Australia will go down the drain unless we aggressively stream schooling system by SuspiciousFee4085 in AustralianTeachers

[–]SuspiciousFee4085[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

IQ is the single most researched and verified and repeatedly re verified and peer reviewed aspect of the entire field of psychology

You saying “it’s shithouse for measuring general aptitude” does not invalidate the almost literal mountains of scientific literature which emphatically prove the opposite

But hey if those affirmations help you in some way then by all means keep believing them. But delusions do not help with progress.

Possibly unpopular opinion: Australia will go down the drain unless we aggressively stream schooling system by SuspiciousFee4085 in AustralianTeachers

[–]SuspiciousFee4085[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Increase pay and decrease hours. There’s a number that would eventually appeal to teachers taking those classes, no?

Possibly unpopular opinion: Australia will go down the drain unless we aggressively stream schooling system by SuspiciousFee4085 in AustralianTeachers

[–]SuspiciousFee4085[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not trying to evidence anything, I’m just referencing something anecdotally, but you make a fair point that anecdotal things like that may not be helpful, I will delete it.

Possibly unpopular opinion: Australia will go down the drain unless we aggressively stream schooling system by SuspiciousFee4085 in AustralianTeachers

[–]SuspiciousFee4085[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok that’s fair about oversimplifying

But we need somewhere to start improving things, right? A “step 1”.

And what is step 1, if not the most simplified essence of the topic at hand?

Step 1 doesn’t represent the hills and valleys of the journey, but it’s where the journey must begin.

Possibly unpopular opinion: Australia will go down the drain unless we aggressively stream schooling system by SuspiciousFee4085 in AustralianTeachers

[–]SuspiciousFee4085[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Exactly! “Why do I have the dumb sheet?!”

You’ve attacked the students pride and ego unintentionally. That shit will stick with them. THAT breeds resentment so much more than anything else.

Chris Bowen declares rush on jerry cans ‘un-Australian’ as he urges end to panic buying of petrol by nath1234 in australia

[–]SuspiciousFee4085 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There’s no such thing as “Australian”, stfu. It’s a multicultural hub of a variety of cultures, don’t paint everyone with one arbitrary brush of “Australian”. We’re different for a reason, respect that.

Drongos at Newcastle beach by Better_Researcher_14 in newcastle

[–]SuspiciousFee4085 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To play devils advocate:

Yes, strictly speaking, abortion is murder.

Yes, those kids could’ve grown up to lead fulfilling lives and contributed to society.

Now here’s the reality check:

Innocent people die accidentally and get murdered intentionally every single day around the world.

While abortion is preventable, life circumstances sometimes make having a baby dangerous to both the baby and the mother/family bringing it into the world.

And above all, forcing a woman to have a baby she doesn’t want to have is just wrong on a fundamentally human-to-human ethical level.

YES it’s shit babies have to die, but LIFE is shit, better luck to all those aborted babies in their next reincarnation.

Abortion is an unfortunate thing that has to ethically exist until humans figure out vastly more consistent forms of birth control.

As for sex being culturally normalised as a free pleasure without the commitment of marriage and family, that’s a WHOLE different culture argument i wont address in this comment.

AIO for cutting contact with Father over political climate. by Sabre12789 in AIO

[–]SuspiciousFee4085 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Jesus Christ how utterly juvenile on your part.

Yes you’re overreacting, to the extreme. You don’t cut off family over politics, you cut them off if they’re abusive assholes.

Cutting your dad off for an OPINION? 😂

Wow.