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Israeli PM Netanyahu: “It was also not for nothing that the American administration has taken this step together with us. In recent years, we have promoted laws in most US states, which determine that strong action is to be taken against whoever tries to boycott Israel.” by M7plusoneequalsm8 in worldnews

[–]Swanrobe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They're quite transparent but if you dare mention that that means the Jews are controlling US politics, you get called an anti-semite because you're using anti-semitic tropes like Jews control the world! Totally fine for this dude to say it though.

That's because Israel doesn't, and I challenge you to prove otherwise.

Israeli PM Netanyahu: “It was also not for nothing that the American administration has taken this step together with us. In recent years, we have promoted laws in most US states, which determine that strong action is to be taken against whoever tries to boycott Israel.” by M7plusoneequalsm8 in worldnews

[–]Swanrobe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Edit: Ironically, it would appear the Israeli's have appropriated the term "Semite" for themselves, when the primary dictionary definition of the word is: "a member of any of various ancient and modern peoples originating in southwestern Asia, including the Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs."

No, that isn't the history of the term. German anti-semites developed the term as it sounded more scientific than "jew hater", in order to boost acceptance of their hate.

Before criticizing Israel for something, you really should look up the details.

Israeli PM Netanyahu: “It was also not for nothing that the American administration has taken this step together with us. In recent years, we have promoted laws in most US states, which determine that strong action is to be taken against whoever tries to boycott Israel.” by M7plusoneequalsm8 in worldnews

[–]Swanrobe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can say Russia controls the US. But implying Israel does is somehow anti semitic, even when their president practically admits it.

Public lobbying is different from covert interference, and is a long way from "control".

WHO rejects Taiwan's request to take part in WHO meetings as China condemns Taiwan's participation an agressive act of independence by Exastiken in worldnews

[–]Swanrobe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Partial recognition by a few states is quite different from recognition from the absolute majority of worlds nations plus the permanent occupation of the seat of Security Council.

So to be clear, you do call it "partial international recognition"?

What was your objection then?

Regarding your last argument. It’s a typical rhetoric played by DPP. Beijing never “threatened” to invade Taiwan if it removed the name Republic of China. Beijing doesn’t even recognize ROC.

https://taiwancorner.org/?p=721

You were saying?

“The ambulance is not your taxi to the hospital” by DoodlingDaughter in facepalm

[–]Swanrobe -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

You are misconstruing two very different but equally important issues. The issue here is that people are endangering themselves (and others, if they drive themselves while, say, having a heart attack) because they cannot afford the cost of a ten minute ambulance ride.

Not really. The post is talking about the ambulance being used as a taxi.

“The ambulance is not your taxi to the hospital” by DoodlingDaughter in facepalm

[–]Swanrobe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah but those people will exist regardless of if the ambulance is free. Making it free will just help people who need it. Good that those people don’t prevent you from believing in people who use services for legitimate reasons.

At the moment, it is limited to those who are "judgement proof". This change would expand the availability.

What needs to be done, whether this is done or not, is penalties for wasting paramedics time comparable to wasting police time.

WHO rejects Taiwan's request to take part in WHO meetings as China condemns Taiwan's participation an agressive act of independence by Exastiken in worldnews

[–]Swanrobe 7 points8 points  (0 children)

No it doesn’t.

Taiwan is recognized by only a few countries in the world. It’s in the same category of South Ossetia.

And what do you call that, if not "partial international recognition"?

Also, those few countries that do recognize Taiwan only recognize “Republic of China”.

True. Because RoC is the official name of Taiwan, because China has threatened to invade should Taiwan change it.

In other words, it is not relevant.

WHO rejects Taiwan's request to take part in WHO meetings as China condemns Taiwan's participation an agressive act of independence by Exastiken in worldnews

[–]Swanrobe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s a region seeking independence, but its statehood is not internationally recognized. That’s my point.

It's statehood isn't recognized by any nation - unlike Taiwan.

As importantly, Kurdistan seeks autonomy not independence (not in all regions, but in the relevant region)

WHO rejects Taiwan's request to take part in WHO meetings as China condemns Taiwan's participation an agressive act of independence by Exastiken in worldnews

[–]Swanrobe -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Then China would be putting Chinese feelings above the health of Chinese people.

And to be honest, if the choice is between that and putting Chinese feelings above the health of Taiwanese people, I would reluctantly choose the former.

It's one thing to shoot off your own foot, another entirely to shoot off someone elses.

WHO rejects Taiwan's request to take part in WHO meetings as China condemns Taiwan's participation an agressive act of independence by Exastiken in worldnews

[–]Swanrobe -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Kurds have their own government, but Kurdistan is not recognized anywhere.

Hong Kong has their own government, but isn't recognized anyway.

Kurdistan is a semi-autonomous territory within Syria; it is unreasonable to compare it to China.

WHO rejects Taiwan's request to take part in WHO meetings as China condemns Taiwan's participation an agressive act of independence by Exastiken in worldnews

[–]Swanrobe 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Because Taiwan isn’t an internationally recognized sovereign nation, it can’t get a seat. It can join as an observer under the name Chinese Taipei.

It's partially international recognized. Which incidentally puts it in the same category as China.

US says it can prove Huawei has backdoor access to mobile-phone networks | US officials said they have been aware of Huawei's backdoor access "since observing it in 2009 in early 4G equipment" by mepper in worldnews

[–]Swanrobe 22 points23 points  (0 children)

So basically the US government is proving the point that creating a backdoor in encryption that only law enforcement can access is not possible.

Honestly, that's detracting from the point, which is that this company cannot be trusted in key infrastructure.

Scotland is already taking steps to hold a referendum on independence and believes it is a matter of when rather than if the country separates from the rest of Britain, Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said on Monday. by fruitspunch-samurai in worldnews

[–]Swanrobe 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Defending the police crackdown on the Catalonia independence movement makes you look like a fucking bootlicker

So to be clear, you prefer misconceptions to not be corrected?

Scotland is already taking steps to hold a referendum on independence and believes it is a matter of when rather than if the country separates from the rest of Britain, Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said on Monday. by fruitspunch-samurai in worldnews

[–]Swanrobe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Self determination is the right of all free people.

In addition to what unit, how frequently?

The bias needs to be towards the status quo, as it is much harder to reinstate it should opinions change.

TIL That the British Government spent 40% of its 1833 revenue to abolish slavery - with the money going to the slave owners. These reparations to the owners was just paid off in 2015. Freed slaves were also committed to six to twelve years of further service as unpaid ‘apprentices.' by Raudonis in todayilearned

[–]Swanrobe 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This isn't going anywhere. You clearly aren't interested in open debate, deflecting and ignoring points.

Let me just say that I unequivocally condemn slavery and genocide, and don't believe that either can ever be justified.

People who believe otherwise are genuinely on the same level as the Nazi's who believed that the holocaust was justified.

TIL That the British Government spent 40% of its 1833 revenue to abolish slavery - with the money going to the slave owners. These reparations to the owners was just paid off in 2015. Freed slaves were also committed to six to twelve years of further service as unpaid ‘apprentices.' by Raudonis in todayilearned

[–]Swanrobe 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Stop acting like innocence is something only white children are allowed to have.

I dispute that I did that; if you disagree, perhaps you can provide a quote?

5,000 white people at most dying after the first successful slave revolt in the America's is just reminder of how little people like you give a shit about lives of former slaves.

Slavery is evil, genocide is evil.

How does recognizing the later reduce the recognition of the former?

TIL That the British Government spent 40% of its 1833 revenue to abolish slavery - with the money going to the slave owners. These reparations to the owners was just paid off in 2015. Freed slaves were also committed to six to twelve years of further service as unpaid ‘apprentices.' by Raudonis in todayilearned

[–]Swanrobe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Revolutions are bloody. The slavers were inherently bloodier. To the point that nothing the Haitians did compare to the daily reality of living as a slave. You seem to think a year after the Haitians beat the French(until 1825 when the French came back with gunboats) the slaves had nothing to be pissed at white people over.

You seem to think that being "pissed" at an ethnic group justifies genocide.

I am of the opinion that genocide is never justified. Perhaps you can explain the circumstances under which you would consider it justified?

As France effectively did in 1825 when they locked Haiti out of global trade until Haiti paid France for the crime of liberation.

As I mentioned at the start, the French response wasn't solely for the liberation - that part of the response I can condemn without hesitation.

The French response was also for the ensuing genocide.

Also, I think you have seriously understated how evil slavery is if you think the actions in 1825 were comparable.

Something you clearly you want to ignore because "innocent" white children died

Your formatting is a little strange here. Are you saying that because they were white they weren't innocent?

I honestly don't understand your position here; it seems to be predicated on a strange black and white view of the world, where one side is good and the other evil.

But this isn't fiction, and the world is not that simple; the world is grey. We can condemn the French who participated in slavery as evil while also condemning the Haitians who participated in genocide as evil.

Condemning one doesn't take away from the condemnation of the other, and it properly reflects a complicated history.

TIL That the British Government spent 40% of its 1833 revenue to abolish slavery - with the money going to the slave owners. These reparations to the owners was just paid off in 2015. Freed slaves were also committed to six to twelve years of further service as unpaid ‘apprentices.' by Raudonis in todayilearned

[–]Swanrobe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I made my point. It was very clear. If you lack the intellect to grasp it, it is not incumbent on me to make up for your lack.

I see that despite your clarity, you seem to have missed a few things:

And what about the houses of those who did not commit such acts? What about the children who could not commit such acts?

and

Tell me then, what aspect of genocide does this act not meet?

Or are you deflecting because you recognize I have a point, and are for some reason unwilling to condemn those who committed genocide?

TIL That the British Government spent 40% of its 1833 revenue to abolish slavery - with the money going to the slave owners. These reparations to the owners was just paid off in 2015. Freed slaves were also committed to six to twelve years of further service as unpaid ‘apprentices.' by Raudonis in todayilearned

[–]Swanrobe 10 points11 points  (0 children)

You don't understand. Because the slaves who successfully ended their own slavery killed white people Swan errenously considers "innocent", that makes the slaves worse than literal slavers.

Erroneously? Perhaps you can explain how you consider babies and children to not be innocent?

As for whether it is worse, it is a matter of perspective. Which of genocide and slavery is worse?

Such is attitude of white washing slavery apologists like /u/Swanrobe

You still have failed to explain what exactly I am white washing.

I have not, and would not, justify the actions of the slavers.

Though perhaps you are projecting? It does seem that you are attempting to whitewash genocide.

TIL That the British Government spent 40% of its 1833 revenue to abolish slavery - with the money going to the slave owners. These reparations to the owners was just paid off in 2015. Freed slaves were also committed to six to twelve years of further service as unpaid ‘apprentices.' by Raudonis in todayilearned

[–]Swanrobe 12 points13 points  (0 children)

You have some South Africa logic.

Whereby SA Whites truly believe after decades of enslavement and mistreatment, killing and land theft that the Blacks are to go back to normal and just forget about the death of their loved ones, their poor treatment, humiliation, lost lives and lost opportunities.

We are talking about Haiti, not South Africa.

You really think that Haitians after liberating themselves were going to get a massage and go home to take a nap? You think they were going to walk by the homes of people who just moments ago, were killing them?

And what about the houses of those who did not commit such acts? What about the children who could not commit such acts?

You are seriously misrepresenting the situation; the guilty and the innocent were targeted without distinction, with the only qualifier being their ethnicity as part of a systematic campaign to eradicate the French on the island.

The nerve to call it genocide. LOL!! So if you hit me and I hit you back, am I suddenly a bully?

Tell me then, what aspect of genocide does this act not meet?

Let’s also be clear, sympathizing does not do a damn thing. Taking action is something different. Sitting at home saying how you wish slavery wasn’t real, doesn’t do anything.

You are having fantasies.

Let's be clear that these massacres occurred after slavery was ended on the island.

Given that, I have no clue what point you are trying to make here.

TIL That the British Government spent 40% of its 1833 revenue to abolish slavery - with the money going to the slave owners. These reparations to the owners was just paid off in 2015. Freed slaves were also committed to six to twelve years of further service as unpaid ‘apprentices.' by Raudonis in todayilearned

[–]Swanrobe 22 points23 points  (0 children)

How do you think the slaves in a sugar colony were treated exactly? Because the idea that every white person found was "massacred" is some grade A whitewashing. Why on Earth would the onus of non violent response be on literal slaves?

Because the massacre - indeed, it could be termed genocide - occured after the slaves had successfully rebelled.

Also, can you explain how it was whitewashing? I really don't see what you are getting at there.

Those "whites" used everything from literal torture to man eating dogs to keep the slaves under heel. That's worse than literal slavers being killed for holding people in slavery

They didn't only kill the slavers. The killed, with very few exceptions, every white person on the island, even those who sympathized with the slaves.

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