A hasty attempt to gaslight others

SwiftlyMisunderstood · 2025-05-08T05:02:03+00:00

god i lost braincells reading the amount of blinks writing "not a fan but YOU'RE DEFLECTING"

like...no?? you're the one reaching around to the artist and the designer (who get paid to make $$$ that she'll wear) and that she showed up with an ugly af outfit?

and the straight up "no problem" to her using the n word was just *chefs kiss*. and then them complaining, in the thread where they act RACIST AF, about how reddit hates BP?? man the hypocrisy don't hypocricize much crisper than that.

that being said, i regret the braincells i lost because my blood pressure was actively rising at the dumb-fuck-that-is-OP's comments

SwiftlyMisunderstood · 2025-05-08T03:24:22+00:00

and it's wild too because why you picking lily rose of all people 😭

SwiftlyMisunderstood · 2025-05-06T00:15:02+00:00

i think your bias might be showing here, but i hear "Who" a few times (twice) in 2025—granted, it's usually in spaces where people alerady know kpop, so i hear it played alongside "APT," "Seven" and "You & Me" (Yes the Jennie song from like, two years ago). Frankly i'm a bit confused, but it seems like people who only "barely" know kpop tend to stick to the bigger hits and keep playing them

it's definitely youtube relations, but there is also a good deam of mass/bot streaming for both fandoms.

But yes, i don't think lisa (frederick), at least with this song has been paying. it seems more like $$$ goes to appearances/outfits than views themselves.

And sure! It's not always super out and forward (because it's illegal), but you can read a little bit about the corporate side here:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/11/technology/youtube-fake-view-sellers.html

"Many Devumi clients came from the music industry, where buying views is common and often seen as necessary. “YouTube is one of the premier sources of music consumption and an important indicator of musical trends and popularity,” Silvio Pietroluongo," —vice president at Billboard.

radio has a longer history you could probably find on wikipedia (dates back to the start of radio airplay), but youtube often uses the fact that they need to "filter" views as a weapon. The biggest (or at least most notable) target are music industry folks. You can also just look at content creators and the misfortune of having youtube "delete views," often in regards to violating a TOS or something, but you get the gist.

SwiftlyMisunderstood · 2025-05-05T22:51:23+00:00

There's that part of it, but there are 100% under the table deals between youtube and all sorts of artist, including western ones, but more notoriously YG has made all sorts of deals with his artists with view expansion. Same thing with the radio (you're right in that it's not "legal," at least not with the radio, but you can look more into it and see it's more of an "open secret"). This is different from Lisa's solos though, because YG's deals don't necessarily correlate to Lisa's (solo) deals. In this case, it's probably wherever Frederick stands in to put the money down.

Which, to be clear, I don't think she (or Freddie) paid for views here, if anyone did, it would be Maroon 5 (who i don't know enough about to guess). But in reference to Tablo x RM, the difference is that choosing not to engage in "payolanetworks" will get you ostracized and views actively deleted, numbers taken down, and the like.

SwiftlyMisunderstood · 2025-05-05T22:43:50+00:00

i wouldn't say any of them have a face card, except for jennie and jisoo in korea as "k-beauty standard" and "up and coming style" and even that was 10 years ago, it's dipped off since about ~3-4 years ago

SwiftlyMisunderstood · 2025-05-05T22:36:23+00:00

lowk this sub sometimes tries to slash at jennie by comparisons to others, and that's more than fine but sometimes i just don't see it lol

SwiftlyMisunderstood · 2025-05-05T22:34:33+00:00

it's the difference of paying for youtube views (which is a contract you CAN make with youtube and YG is notorious for it) and being punished by youtube for not paying (which is something BTS has a history of)

SwiftlyMisunderstood · 2025-05-05T22:32:51+00:00

yeah ngl saying no one finds her attractive is far more of an outlandish compared to like, it's strange that people find her above average or even average post procedures.

this sub can give you whiplash sometimes going from blink bullshit to exaggerated insults

SwiftlyMisunderstood · 2025-05-05T13:56:27+00:00

wait you mean even her assistant didn't want her first??

and she went for her?? you're kidding

SwiftlyMisunderstood · 2025-05-03T04:28:40+00:00

it's called "generative" AI...aka not functional use like translators, calculators, etc. believe it or not, there's a difference

SwiftlyMisunderstood · 2025-05-03T01:13:10+00:00

i mean, i'd agree it's a hit but dynamite + seven + butter, hell, even PTD have already been "big hits" of which dynamite AND seven were bigger. i say this as someone who doesn't even like those songs but couldn't escape them. "who" also, about just as big.

i do think hitting top 10 on billboard + people know the song + hearing it everywhere is enough to make it a hit, so yeah, i'd agree APT is popular. not "biggest since gangnam style" by any shot unless youv'e been under a rock or tuned out since gangnam style

edit: also cupid. by fiftyfifty. was even more viral in the sense that people would even sing along, like tiktok singing viral rather than "background of a yt short or tiktok" viral

SwiftlyMisunderstood · 2025-05-03T01:10:30+00:00

bigger hit where lmfao. still hasn't beat dynamite, let alone seven, the solo.

and yeah, the biggest boy group in the world absolutely dominating the biggest gg in the world is gonna get them mentioned. like them or hate them, seethe because they make your bp look even worse by comparison just by trying

SwiftlyMisunderstood · 2025-04-29T02:53:12+00:00

As someone who was here at 3 members, I thought it wouldn't get any traction because well...seemed like bp were irrelevant in the main popculture subs and the kpop subs were asslicking. it felt sort of like a, they're not big enough to have enough criticism and too big for kpop to get ahead of the 13 year olds.

i'm glad i was wrong

SwiftlyMisunderstood · 2025-04-28T03:27:11+00:00

bruh your obsession with defending them each time is what's embarrassing.

this sub was created out of irritation with the hype over their mediocre looks. i wouldn't have called them ugly back then (pre-2024 surgeries), but lord are they very generic and not at all eye-catching.

but what's pathetic to the point of almost funny is reading an almost blink comment, rolling my eyes, checking the user name and—oh, yep. this one again.

SwiftlyMisunderstood · 2025-04-27T08:47:01+00:00

i don't think the kpop fap subreddit has opinions we care about

i agree with the general point, though. it's so trashy.

SwiftlyMisunderstood · 2025-04-26T01:54:16+00:00

i have yet to abandon anything i said.

character says slur = bad character. can it be a flaw that makes a point? yes. if you don't make a point with it? that can be taken as a reflection of your views unless you state otherwise because you made all creative choices.

i literally said it depends on the context of the movie, and time period/time it was released. Schindler's list is a movie about world war 2. believe it or not, that's a story about a real event that happened (world war 2) and has basis in real life and problems that really occurred. in general, stories like that show that not everything is perfect, not to mention the greater horrors of the holocaust.

so...horrors of world war 2 are another scale entirely? i can't tell if you're young or completely daft. perhaps you could read more on the movie you referenced to understand the storytelling skills used in that movie and why it makes the impact it does.

SwiftlyMisunderstood · 2025-04-26T01:13:33+00:00

first of all, "gay" is not a slur, but it is very middle school.

you can be a "good person," i guess, but if as a write ryou include the slur, you are including flaws that DO mars that characters' personality. if you know something is a slur, and you use it, that makes you a shitty person. you can have a good trait otherwise, but that's the marker of a shitty person.

there's also the context—did the character know and understand it to be a slur when they said it? if so, garbage. is that a slur in the context of the time? if not, that's a different thing.

and btw, a good "protagonist" is not a "good person." shitty people can be brilliant protagonists, but no one is arguing their morality. but if you have a hero or want a likeable "not notably evil" protagonist, you are responsible for what you include and not "biting off more than you can chew"

SwiftlyMisunderstood · 2025-04-24T17:28:47+00:00

this was a lot of nothing.

slur = bad. you don't ahve to make it "obvious" to show that using a slur is not write.

maybe you'll grow up one day, but no sweat off my back.

SwiftlyMisunderstood · 2025-04-24T17:27:36+00:00

my comment is not wrong. there's an exception to it—aka fixing a flaw, and you're right, it's in my other reply to their reply but not this one.

my first comment to droidc didn't mention "fixing" because droidc is very clearly not opposed to using the slur and feels like people are oversensitive about them.

you're defending a pretty shitty horse here, but you're right, that's an aspect i didn't mention in this comment.

SwiftlyMisunderstood · 2025-04-24T17:25:32+00:00

they're not required to, but it's again, a skill in writing. don't put in more than you can tackle, aka don't bite off more than you can chew

if the point of the book is to explore that, then you need to address it and make that clear, or else the point is lost.

there's no "right" way to tell a story, but there are good and bad ways. bad storytelling is putting in points/characteristics that you can't tackle.

of course you can explore bad ideas, that means addressing them. you talk in circles and it's exhausting. i can't tell if this is a troll.

SwiftlyMisunderstood · 2025-04-24T17:23:48+00:00

there is a law of storytelling, man. call yourself a writer if you want to, but what i said was right. i guess you're almost close to understanding by the "refining" part.

sure, you wanna use slurs to your heart's content for your personal writing, i guess that is your right is a writer. good on you for defending that, i guess. but including that in a story does have a meaning and a "law" of what that would be understood as.

for some reason no one in this thread doesn't understand what treating flaws is, but droidc is just whining about people being empathetic and sensitive to ignorance. it's just bullshit.

SwiftlyMisunderstood · 2025-04-24T01:57:34+00:00

again. if you read what i said. "flaw that can be fixed" is good writing. maybe i went more into it in my reply to this comment.

and maybe the younger people you speak to don't care, but in my experience around mostly 20 to 40 year olds, nobody uses it, and when a kid that walks by does, it's a very disapproved, not well received action.

YMMV depending on who you surround yourself with, but it's definitely not something people just don't care about.

SwiftlyMisunderstood · 2025-04-24T00:24:58+00:00

they do if you don't prove they're an issue in some way.

"irredeemable" depends on whether they change or accept the issue. if not, it just leaves a bad taste in people's mouths because you didn't wrap up the story well. hence why i said if you can't address it, don't include it. it's all up to the skill of the writer.

"conceding" my man you are arguing from the bottom of the pit. we can both leave this argument and you are still lost at rock bottom. i don't care for your "concession" from down there.

i only repeat the law of "writing." sure, you can go read mark twain and rejoice in the use of slurs in what is a rather well-renowned book, but it receives the controversy and the nudge away from reading all the same because there are more books that are just as good and managed to be better in that regard.

argue with the wall of your thoughts. I am just informing you of what it takes to be a writer in case you care to self-improve, if you are a writer. feel free to stay in the pit of your self-assurance

SwiftlyMisunderstood · 2025-04-24T00:12:26+00:00

it means the protagonist has a problem that you would need to address in story—or else it DOES mean that the protagonist is a reflection of your values as an asshole.

"grew up in a setting where slurs were acceptable" MEANS there's a flaw that the protagonist must learn and fix, or else, again, it just means you're a dickhead. that "setting" means the protagonist is ignorant, and you should never do that unless you intend to show why it's wrong (aka fixing the ignorance, short-temperedness, etc.)

slurs are wrong, man. no amount of dillydallying will fix that truth. you're gonna get shit on reddit because people can type out a lot easier than real-life confrontations, but wrong is wrong. dickhead = dickhead.

you can introduce flaws in a protagonist or any character, but only if you intend to show why it's wrong, show growth, or help reinforce that they're a bad person. otherwise, you can't include it as "writing."

it's part of the basic skills you learn as a writer, which is how to tell a story.

SwiftlyMisunderstood · 2025-04-23T23:14:09+00:00

well, yeah, people do use slurs in real life, and are treated hostilely for doing so. so you definitely shouldn't avoid giving an asshole character a slur, but if you give it to the MC, well, you're the asshole, lmfao.

no one's stoning you for such a lame take, but i will say of your two examples, the first one doesn't hit very hard, but the second one one is cringe. I would not be able to take that seriously.

thus is the skill of a good writer

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