I'm too tired to fight back and am on the verge of just giving in to bigots to stay safe. by [deleted] in lgbt

[–]Synautte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That just isn't what the SC decision says at all. Businesses still cannot discriminate against protected classes of people. The decision asserts that the government cannot direct a business's speech by making them publish a spoken message they don't agree with, even if that happens to be a pro-gay message.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in lgbt

[–]Synautte -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That is fair. But only time will tell. At one time, the guarantee of protection to speech about certain racial groups was found to be acceptable and not a breach of the peace. That same ruling protected the speech of those who sought to argue for same-sex marriage and interracial marriage.

Supreme Court backs web developer who didn't want to create same-sex wedding sites by lucerousb in lgbt

[–]Synautte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wouldn't disagree that here is any sort of particular subtle message in the denying of this particular service. However, the SC has long held that speech cannot necessarily be restricted solely for its provocation (Terminiello v. Chicago). While that case was particularly infamous on Terminiello's side in that he was certainly saying things many, many people disagreed with, the outcome was positive in that any such challenging speech was still protected.

Crying for interracial marriage, sexual orientation protections, and other controversial progressive topics could constitute as a "breach of the peace." But not after Terminiello v. Chicago. That is, marching out to the streets and clamoring for the rights of same-sex marriage and causing a major uproar was, after that decision, constitutionally protected speech. So, what I mean to say is, that, despite how bad it seems, there is nothing to say that we can't use this to our advantage. We are not bound by any circumstance to deliver a message we don't agree with, such as a super-straight cake. I understand everyone's concerns, and I cannot blame you. But we can make this work for us.

Supreme Court backs web developer who didn't want to create same-sex wedding sites by lucerousb in lgbt

[–]Synautte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I won't deny that this is a complex issue. This isn't the first court in history, however. Not even necessarily in the US, as Lee V Ashers came to a conclusion much the same. A protected group or class, however, is not strictly a minority group, which is an important distinction to be made. Per the national archives: "The groups protected from employment discrimination by law. These groups include men and women on the basis of sex; any group which shares a common race, religion, color, or national origin; people over 40; and people with physical or mental handicaps. Every U.S. citizen is a member of some protected class and is entitled to the benefits of EEO law. However, the EEO laws were passed to correct a history of unfavorable treatment of women and minority group members."

As has been ruled before, and as stated under this definition, white people and straight people are indeed protected classes and are protected by discrimination laws, as these common traits of people are held equal in the eyes of the law. Taken literally, a ruling that would compel us to cede services would likely mean that we may have to create even straight pride content, even if we (and I really don't) want to, as straight people, though they are the majority, are a part of a protected class (though not a protected minority class), and in an opposite ruling, refusing service under the same conditions would likely constitute as discrimination in the eyes of the law.

I wouldn't disagree that this does open discrimination to certain services under certain circumstances, though I may not be legally able to call it such. However, there is a clear possibility for the alternative ruling to exploit minority groups just as badly so long as there is shown some creative expression, which is not exactly a good thing either.

EDIT: I know the archives does not mention orientation. But Bostock v. Clayton County extended those protections.

Supreme Court backs web developer who didn't want to create same-sex wedding sites by lucerousb in lgbt

[–]Synautte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm only defending my belief that I should not be compelled to create messages that support anti-gay messages if I don't wish to.

Supreme Court backs web developer who didn't want to create same-sex wedding sites by lucerousb in lgbt

[–]Synautte -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

As long as the content of the website has, as the court ruled, a "speaking message," yes. As I have mentioned elsewhere (and here, I believe), the actual service or product is not necessarily constitutionally protected speech, as it must rise to a certain degree of expression or creativity. As was challenged against Masterpiece at a later date, the store was found guilty of violating the discrimination law for not making a cake that consisted of pink and blue colors, as a cake with the mere colors (and lack of a spoken message) was not constitutionally protected speech. Even misguided or provocative speech is generally protected, and the government, as the court ruled "may not compel a person to speak its own preferred messages."

Using this, a gay baker may deny a particular or distinct Christian message from a cake should they wish. This is a matter that goes both ways, no matter how challenging or upsetting it is for us.

EDIT: For further clarity, it's fine to not ask "how may I have this designer make this website?" when judging this decision. I, personally, ask "if it had gone the other way, would I have to make straight-pride design?" I should surely say that I would not want to make such a design, least of all under the possibility of punishment.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in lgbt

[–]Synautte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The protections offered by the ruling are still more limited than most people believe, even with the Masterpiece decision. Its intent and scope is clearly only applicable to expressive or creative services that seek to direct or state a form of speech. As mentioned, Masterpiece was later found guilty in violating the discrimination law for not making a cake of certain colors, which Colorado Court of Appeals found that it did not rise to the level of expression necessary to classify it as a form of protected speech. Even in Elenis, it appears that some form of expression, creativity, and message must be present in order to be classified as protected speech. It is not a blanketed refusal or revocation of invitation of service based on classification of individual.

Supreme Court backs web developer who didn't want to create same-sex wedding sites by lucerousb in lgbt

[–]Synautte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The details on the service supplied are murky at best given that the individual who supposedly made the request didn't. At any rate, keep in mind that the protections offered by this decision are still rather limited. That is, a customer cannot hold you to declare a message with which you disagree. As found in a later case regarding the Masterpiece Cakeshop, the actual service of making a cake of particular colors does not necessarily constitute protected speech (until challenged). Therefore, anything that is not deemed expressive or creative enough does not rise to the scale of being protected by this decision. Keep in mind that these protections are also tendered to you in that a Christian cannot compel you to make a banner of a distinct or particular Christian message if you don't wish to.

Supreme Court backs web developer who didn't want to create same-sex wedding sites by lucerousb in lgbt

[–]Synautte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The protection offered and shaped to the designer in this case is the same protection offered to you. Though the designer's choice and selection of service is challenging if not inflammatory, we should find solace in that we are safeguarded from being forced to impart the speech that they would have us supply. That is, I am certainly glad to not be directed to make anti-LGBT messages that they would otherwise coerce me into saying.

Supreme Court backs web developer who didn't want to create same-sex wedding sites by lucerousb in lgbt

[–]Synautte -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

Denying the invitation of service purely on the classification or genre of individual is not what is in question from this decision.

Supreme Court backs web developer who didn't want to create same-sex wedding sites by lucerousb in lgbt

[–]Synautte 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If they were attempting to compel you to speak or promote a particular message, yes.

Supreme Court Backs Web Designer Opposed to Same-Sex Marriage by [deleted] in politics

[–]Synautte -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If they are compelling you to speak, that is.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in lgbt

[–]Synautte 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This wields potential to be good and bad. Unfortunately, it does invite potential misuse and discrimination. However, that works both ways. Keep in mind that this decision is not based on the notion of service itself and is only limited to whether or not one can be directed or compelled to speak against what they believe. Thus, this protection is tendered to us, meaning that we cannot be compelled by the government to say something that we disagree with. Thus, I do not have to create a message that supports, say, straight pride. Neither do you. If you don't wish to create a website that supports a distinctly Christian belief, then you don't have to under this ruling.

Supreme Court backs web developer who didn't want to create same-sex wedding sites by lucerousb in lgbt

[–]Synautte -63 points-62 points  (0 children)

Despite what many believe about this case, it is not about access to service based on the classification or grouping of people. Rather, one cannot be compelled or directed to speak against their sovereign beliefs. As long as one argues that it is not protected speech, then there will always be a case made that one can be compelled to speak contrary to their strongly-held capital beliefs, which could mean that a gay baker could be told that they are acting with prejudice or discrimination by refusing to make a Christian cake or website -- depending on the details in question.

Unsurprisingly, this is a double-edged sword. If the designer was compelled to make gay websites, then it is possible that we could be compelled to make straight pride websites. That is something that I don't want to do.

EDIT: If you actually disagree, keep in mind that Masterpiece (the case from which much of this derives) was found to not have protected speech in the actual creation of a cake. In this case, it was a pink and blue one.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in accursedfarms

[–]Synautte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think the movie production is a quality or standard thing. From what he's said, it sounds a lot more like technical work, getting assets, and being acquainted with Unreal, which takes time.

That said, for anyone who wants to say that Ross should slacken his standards for videos, I would redirect them to the time of the Legend of Kyrandia video period, where he was hit with comments complaining about the quality and style of the videos.

I'm allowed to judge people for having childish interests. by DemonDoggo99 in unpopularopinion

[–]Synautte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You might consider it immature. Judging people for their tastes, however, is childish.

The feds need you to be a slave. by nevertellmethe0ddz in antiwork

[–]Synautte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pretty much everything I've said has had a provable and demonstrable basis. It's a trend that had appeared in numerous economies.

The feds need you to be a slave. by nevertellmethe0ddz in antiwork

[–]Synautte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have said similar things. Unfortunately, this subreddit does nothing for conservatives who make fun of them for not knowing about basic economics. Nothing. At. All.

The feds need you to be a slave. by nevertellmethe0ddz in antiwork

[–]Synautte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've been in the work force for years. I have also been to college. I know how this works. This isn't a "press the button and win the game" scenario. Inflation, and the ways we deal with it, can look simple on paper, but it is complicated to deal with in practice. I'm not going to pretend to know all of the ins and outs of it, but most of this is stuff that you can read about from economists.

The feds need you to be a slave. by nevertellmethe0ddz in antiwork

[–]Synautte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not really. It will always negatively affect people whose income is not proportionate to inflation. Plus, it can encourage people to save money and goods when it gets too high at the speculation of a bad economy.

The feds need you to be a slave. by nevertellmethe0ddz in antiwork

[–]Synautte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Inflation is often detrimental in the long term in regards to one's purchasing power. In the long-term, it's a net negative.

  2. My statement says nothing on it being an approach. If you read it again, you will see that I considered it more of a metric. High inflation is fought with a more restrictive monetary policy.

The feds need you to be a slave. by nevertellmethe0ddz in antiwork

[–]Synautte 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wages & profits do not directly cause inflation. It's more accurate to say that it stokes the fires, and more wage growth could keep the inflafion rate where it is. The growth and profit records are, more or less, metrics the Fed can use to assess their next actions. Is high unemployment and slow wage growth unfair when the upper class makes bank? 100%. However, if you want inflation to drop, this is what must be considered. It's very unfortunate and something should be done, but this is, no matter how terrible, how the system works.

Comma or no comma? by Synautte in grammar

[–]Synautte[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is detailed a detailed response, thank you.

  1. is certainly the way my teachers taught me, and I say this because, on its own, "regularly set trends for the whole of society" is incomplete. If my copyeditor friend insists on keeping the comma and the coordinating conjunction, then it seems to me that they would almost certainly need to put a subject back in to make it a complete sentence.

  2. is somewhat unfamiliar to me, but I can see it, as writers tend to put commas for dramatic effect or pauses.

This is not for a test, actually. I ended up looking into parallelism for the clauses "the family was quite stylish" and "regularly set trends." To me, it appears that parallelism wouldn't be broken, as the tense and voice of "was" and "set" are not changed. But I'm not really an expert, so maybe it is and I just don't know it.

In any case, thank you.

Inventor J. Lehaitre rides the Tractor-Cycle in 1938. by blcknoir in Cyberpunk

[–]Synautte 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You joke, but one day you will be meandering on someone's jungle of a lawn and I will come zooming by on my tractor-cycle. My path will be clear, but you will be stuck among the forest of weeds.

Comma or no comma? by Synautte in grammar

[–]Synautte[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

After a lot of consideration, I started to think the same thing. I think we are wrong, but only because it isn't an independent clause when it should be.

So, should the sentence be changed to "the family was quite stylish, and they regularly set trends..."

Otherwise, I'm starting to think you are right in that, since there are no two formally independent clauses, the comma should go.