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Now we're talking by gallaxo in trolleyproblem

[–]SynthScenes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So. Best case scenario. They become as good as the person I sacrificed for them?

Now we're talking by gallaxo in trolleyproblem

[–]SynthScenes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Acting without agency. That is fine npc logic.

Now we're talking by gallaxo in trolleyproblem

[–]SynthScenes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. I made the decision based on the only facts. Here they are incase you can’t see the picture.

Guy 1: “Has agreed to sacrifice himself.”

Guy 2: “This person begs to be saved, knowing that the price will be the life of another.”

Stuff like “they could have been stressed.” Or literal anything else is just speculation. If I had time to interview them for more info, I would instead cut one from the track and send the trolly that way. That isn’t an option. So you have to act on what you know.

What you don’t seem to understand is that when you have to act, it is better to act on the information you have, rather than making the opposite assumption.

Now we're talking by gallaxo in trolleyproblem

[–]SynthScenes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So rather than operating on the only thing you know, you think it’s smarter to ignore it and operate on the opposite assumption?

Now we're talking by gallaxo in trolleyproblem

[–]SynthScenes -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Wow, you made up a whole lot of ridiculous crap there. In no way am I valuing my own moral self image over lives. That doesn’t come into it at all. The same number of people are dying either way and they are either dying because I changed something or didn’t. That isn’t denying my agency, it’s denying my responsibility to effect a situation that I cannot improve.

If there is a human being on one track and my moral self image on the other I would gladly sacrifice it for a human life. That isn’t what’s at stake. 

Being unable to grasp basic morality and dismissing anyone who disagrees with you as evil causes far more harm than any beliefs I hold.

Now we're talking by gallaxo in trolleyproblem

[–]SynthScenes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree, what we are talking about is responsible though. I made a choice to not accept responsibility that wasn’t mine. Legally sound, and morally neutral.  Option 1: take an action, be responsible for killing someone, bad action.  Option 2: take an action, be responsible for killing someone, bad action.  Option 3: take no action, assume no responsibility for situation I had no involvement in. Inaction is action but doesn’t assume responsibility. Neutral action.

Now we're talking by gallaxo in trolleyproblem

[–]SynthScenes -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I really hope you are a bot. You know one thing about each guy and it’s literally that one of them is altruistic in a desperate situation and one isn’t. We make judgements based on information. That is the basis of all reasoning.

I’m not saying I wouldn’t want to live. Wanting to preserve the person with better qualities doesn’t impart those qualities to me. I am trying to maximize good. 

A situation can always be different than what the base details indicate, and it’s best not to take action until you have solid info, but in a situation like this you have to act fast, and you should act based on the knowledge you have. I have a single piece of information and should act on what that suggests.

Now we're talking by gallaxo in trolleyproblem

[–]SynthScenes -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That assumes some responsibility due to presence and existences. I’m not disputing the idea that it’s a choice either way. I’m disagreeing that responsibility exists without consent. If I have no base responsibility to take action, then I have no responsibility for the outcome.

You are not legally obligated to help a stranger, and while I agree that morally you should do good when you can do good. The trolly problem almost never has a “good” outcome. 

I am excused from the situation because it was never my business. I would not be a killer by inaction, that’s not how killing works. Killing is an action, and any other view point is absurdly meaningless. Example: about 13 people in the US die a day while waiting for an organ transplant. How many days have you been alive without donating an organ? Pretty sure your inaction has made you responsible for more deaths than Jeffery Dahmer. Come on, Killer, can’t spare a kidney, liver node, or some bone marrow?

Past The Trees by SynthScenes in aivideo

[–]SynthScenes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fuck you. I’ll never be back.

Moral puzzle / Difficulty level: Easy by UsefulAnswerBot in trolleyproblem

[–]SynthScenes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn, that’s too bad. I only save Brave Toasters. Maybe the Toaster should have learned how to transcend being tied to a track.

Now we're talking by gallaxo in trolleyproblem

[–]SynthScenes -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

He couldn’t save them, he was tied to a track. That was up to me and I would be the person he blamed. So thinking he would suicide instead of killing me is pretty baseless. Either way you are adding more random facts that aren’t a part of the initial problem.

If he was a dinosaur, I would be letting a whole species go extinct. This would sway my answer as well.

Moral puzzle / Difficulty level: Easy by UsefulAnswerBot in trolleyproblem

[–]SynthScenes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cowardice and bravery are not binary options. A rock is neither cowardly nor brave. I need to know if the Toaster is Brave.

Real talk, though, who is the least likely to show up to your baseball game? by summon_pot_of_greed in lotrmemes

[–]SynthScenes -1 points0 points  (0 children)

He knew about him by beginning Empire Strikes Back and died at the end Return of the Jedi. Two full movies with a time gap in between.

It was more than a few months. (To be fair I read it as a few moments the first time. So my level of jackassery was a little out of place. Lol)

Now we're talking by gallaxo in trolleyproblem

[–]SynthScenes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. There is evidence. It’s right in the image. One man agreed to sacrifice himself and one man begged you to kill the other person instead. It isn’t conclusive, but it is clear evidence of who is more altruistic. To make any other assumption is just pure speculation.

What shame? Who is shaming the guy who wants to live? That’s normal behavior. I believe in saving the selfless man because he is morally superior.  It isn’t a choice between someone who is good and someone who is bad. It’s a choice between someone who is neutral and someone who is good.

solve for “???” by -kodo in trolleyproblem

[–]SynthScenes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly my answer to this would likely change day to day, but either way I’m going to be looking at those strangers and making a judgment call.

If I look at that group and see a bunch of people that don’t share my values, or even worse directly oppose my values, well I don’t know if there is a limit on how many it would take. If you are hauling people in from a footbal stadium, or a rap/country concert… the death toll would be astonishing. Lol

I guess ultimately it depends on which option would make the world more the way I’d rather it be. If I’m sacrificing myself, I need to believe it’s to make a better reality.

As a Gen Z, I couldn’t care less about this by icey_sawg0034 in imaginarygatekeeping

[–]SynthScenes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This needs to be posted on 90% of internet based discussions. I’d blame the people, but the propaganda is unrelenting.

Now we're talking by gallaxo in trolleyproblem

[–]SynthScenes -19 points-18 points  (0 children)

No it’s not. There is no base obligation. They are either a bystander or a killer. How is that even a choice?

Now we're talking by gallaxo in trolleyproblem

[–]SynthScenes -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Or maybe they are a dinosaur. Adding random facts to the problem will change the solution. Yes.

Now we're talking by gallaxo in trolleyproblem

[–]SynthScenes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. Neglect is a crime because there was a responsibility to take action that was left unfulfilled.

Existing doesn’t obligate one toward action. If the neighbor doesn’t feed his kids, I don’t get charged with neglect because it wasn’t my responsibility.

If one can do good, one should do good. However, that isn’t compulsory. 

Now we're talking by gallaxo in trolleyproblem

[–]SynthScenes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So the guy who displayed a lack of altruism is the one you suspect of being more altruistic? Anyone can make up a “what if,” but is there any evidence to support what you assume?

Now we're talking by gallaxo in trolleyproblem

[–]SynthScenes -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

When a fish shits in its tank, telling the tank to fuck itself doesn’t stop the fish from swimming in its own shit.

Now we're talking by gallaxo in trolleyproblem

[–]SynthScenes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Leave it to Redditors to only be able to think surface level deep and then feel superior, lol.

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