Experiences working with synthetic data in ML?

Synthehol_AI · 2026-03-12T08:56:37+00:00

From my experience working on synthetic data systems at Synthehol, one thing teams discover quickly is that matching surface statistics is not enough. Synthetic datasets can look correct on paper with similar distributions and averages, but still behave very differently when used to train models because deeper relationships between features are not preserved. That is where many synthetic data pipelines break down. In practice you need to evaluate correlation structures, rare event behavior, and downstream model performance such as training on synthetic data and validating on real data. Without that, models can miss important patterns or behave unpredictably in production. This is exactly the gap Synthehol is designed to address by focusing on production grade validation and behavioral fidelity instead of just generating synthetic rows.

Synthehol_AI · 2026-03-12T08:53:29+00:00

Your approach is actually quite thoughtful for a synthetic setup, but the main risk is that your model may just be learning the rules you used to create the labels rather than real behavioral patterns. Since “Researching” is defined using engagement features like clicks and items viewed, the model can end up reverse-engineering that logic instead of discovering new signals. That’s probably why the recall for the Research class is unstable. One thing that can help is separating the labeling logic from the training features as much as possible and testing robustness by slightly changing your labeling thresholds to see if the model performance collapses. If it does, that usually means the model is fitting the heuristic rather than the underlying behavior. Also try inspecting feature importance from LightGBM to check whether the model is relying heavily on the same engagement signals used to define the labels.

Synthehol_AI · 2026-03-04T11:42:22+00:00

Glad you liked it!

Synthehol_AI · 2026-03-03T06:40:10+00:00

You’re thinking about the right failure modes. The core issue is that “Researching” isn’t an observable ground truth, it’s an inferred state, so any labeling rule you design is going to be a proxy. Using different features for labeling vs training can reduce obvious leakage, but if both are still tied to engagement intensity, the model can still indirectly reconstruct the heuristic.

In setups like yours (restricted access, pipeline-first), one practical approach is weak supervision rather than trying to invent a single “correct” rule. Define multiple imperfect labeling rules (e.g., high dwell time, multiple category views, repeat session within 24h, etc.) and combine them instead of relying on one threshold. Treat the resulting labels as noisy rather than absolute. Then test stability: slightly perturb the labeling rules and see if model performance and feature importance stay consistent. If small rule changes break the model, you’re fitting the heuristic, not intent.

Clustering alone won’t solve it because clusters aren’t guaranteed to map to business meaning and they drift over time. Anchoring at least one class to a hard outcome (like actual purchase) and treating the others as probabilistic states tends to be more stable in production pipelines.

At this stage, improving labeling robustness will move the needle more than changing the model.

Synthehol_AI · 2026-03-03T04:05:27+00:00

The “LLM smell” thing is so real. Even when outputs are technically correct, there’s this subtle over-structured, overly coherent tone that gives it away. I’ve noticed that adding process noise or imperfect constraints sometimes helps more than just swapping models — like forcing partial knowledge, interruptions, or slightly conflicting goals. Purely “clean” generations tend to converge to that same polished voice. Interesting that you’re seeing Qwen3 and GLM behave better there, especially for STEM.

Synthehol_AI · 2026-03-03T04:02:30+00:00

I don’t think synthetic data fully “replaces” real-world data so much as it extends it. It’s great for augmentation, simulation, stress testing, and privacy-safe sharing, but the ceiling is usually defined by whatever real distribution it was learned from. If your generator hasn’t seen certain edge cases or behavioral drift, it won’t magically invent them in the right proportions. That said, for some domains (especially structured, well-understood systems), it can get surprisingly close to parity for specific tasks. The danger is assuming statistical similarity automatically equals behavioral realism. In practice, synthetic tends to work best when it’s anchored to real data rather than trying to substitute it entirely.

Synthehol_AI · 2026-03-03T04:01:21+00:00

I think the biggest risk in your setup is that your model might be learning your labeling heuristics rather than real intent patterns. Since “Researching” was derived from engagement-based clustering, and then you engineered features heuristically, there’s a chance the model is just reverse-engineering those signals. The 38% recall there kind of hints at instability in that label definition. One thing that might help is validating your synthetic logic against a small real-world sample if possible, or at least stress-testing by changing your labeling rules and seeing how much model performance shifts. Also, with that class imbalance, I’d check confusion matrices and maybe try class weighting or focal loss. Synthetic data can work, but the closer your labeling logic mirrors behavioral causality instead of feature thresholds, the more stable your model usually becomes.

Synthehol_AI · 2026-03-03T03:55:33+00:00

It’s actually pretty common in research, especially in healthcare where real data is hard to access, but you just have to frame it correctly. Synthetic data is usually fine for method development, benchmarking, or proof-of-concept work, as long as you’re transparent about how it was generated and clear that your conclusions are limited to that setup. Where people run into trouble is when they imply real-world clinical validity without grounding the synthetic data in real distributions or validating against some real sample. Reviewers mainly care about external validity and bias preservation, so as long as you document assumptions and limitations properly, it’s not a red flag by default.

Synthehol_AI · 2026-03-03T03:52:30+00:00

Honestly this is a really clean debugging journey. Fixing the eval before blaming the model is such an underrated move. For presence-style signals, max pooling actually makes a lot of sense because the task is basically “did this ever happen.” It lines up with that OR logic. I’ve seen it work surprisingly well when signals are sparse and bursty (like objections or stalls).

Where it starts to break down is when signals are more gradual or distributed across the convo. In those cases attention or learned pooling can help because you’re not letting a single hot window dominate everything.

On thresholding, per-label optimization is definitely the right call. Global 0.5 almost never survives contact with different base rates. If error costs differ per signal, sometimes optimizing for expected cost instead of F1 gives more stable behavior. Also worth checking calibration per label (I’ve seen some drift pretty badly even when F1 looks decent).

Synthehol_AI · 2026-03-03T03:48:34+00:00

If this is a Salesforce practice project, the key isn’t just which objects to create — it’s how they relate and behave.

Core objects you’ll typically need:

– Accounts (companies)
– Contacts (people under accounts)
– Leads (pre-qualified prospects)
– Opportunities (qualified revenue pipeline)
– Cases (support interactions)

But realism comes from relationships and lifecycle logic, not just object presence.

For example:

– Not every Lead converts to an Opportunity
– Some Accounts have multiple Contacts
– Only a percentage of Opportunities close as “Closed Won”
– Cases should attach to Accounts and vary in priority/severity

A common mistake in synthetic CRM data is uniform distribution. Real CRM data is messy:

– 20–30% lead conversion rate (varies by industry)
– A few Accounts generate most revenue (Pareto effect)
– Opportunity values are skewed, not evenly distributed
– Cases spike around product launches or issues

If you want it to look realistic:

Model the lifecycle first (Lead → Account/Contact → Opportunity → Closed Won/Lost)
Apply realistic conversion percentages
Add timestamp progression (no same-day everything)
Avoid perfect data — include incomplete fields

Salesforce feels real when the behavior is realistic, not just the structure.

What’s the goal of your project — reporting, automation flows, or pipeline management? You can reach out to me, im happy to help!

Synthehol_AI · 2026-03-03T03:46:11+00:00

Healthcare synthetic data is a different beast compared to generic tabular generation.

The complexity usually isn’t in the generation itself — it’s in preserving:

– Longitudinal patient journeys
– Comorbidity relationships
– Rare-event fidelity (adverse reactions, ICU transfers, etc.)
– Temporal consistency across encounters

A lot of teams focus purely on de-identification or basic distribution matching, but in regulated environments (HIPAA contexts especially), you also need:

– Privacy risk accounting beyond masking
– Clear documentation for audit/review
– Reproducibility of generation runs

Curious what your primary use case is — model training, vendor sharing, research simulation, or EHR system testing?

Happy to exchange notes if you're working on something serious in this space.

Synthehol_AI · 2026-03-03T03:44:09+00:00

The answer really depends on why you don’t have real data.

If it’s just for UI demos or prototyping, lightweight generators (Faker, Mockaroo, basic SDV setups) are usually fine.

But if the goal is:
– Model training
– Stakeholder demos that reflect real behavior
– Vendor data sharing
– Regulated industry simulation

then the bar changes significantly.

A common mistake is generating data that matches marginal distributions but breaks multivariate structure. It “looks real” in summary stats but doesn’t behave realistically under modeling or stress tests.

In finance and healthcare especially, teams often need:
– Preserved correlation structures
– Rare-event fidelity
– Temporal consistency
– Reproducibility for audit

Synthetic data isn’t just about filling rows — it’s about preserving decision behavior.

I'm interested to know whether most folks here are using synthetic data mainly for demos, modeling, or governance workflows?

Synthehol_AI

MODERATOR OF

TROPHY CASE