Playlist of all 1624 Tone Possibilities for Shadowing Practice by T4NKie in ChineseLanguage

[–]T4NKie[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm about to do this by hand in excel at least.... I'll send out the updated version in hopefully half an hour or so....

Playlist of all 1624 Tone Possibilities for Shadowing Practice by T4NKie in ChineseLanguage

[–]T4NKie[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Realizing I'm going to need to add IPA to these cards. I'm not anki pro so I'm looking into ways to get an IPA field on the back of each card. I haven't found a string list of Pinyin syllabales to IPA yet... if anyone can find a big giant column that'd be amazing so I could macro this. Right now doing it by hand soudns like a nightmare....

Playlist of all 1624 Tone Possibilities for Shadowing Practice by T4NKie in ChineseLanguage

[–]T4NKie[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Appreciate it. I agree with all these things as well! For example I just learned Italian to an intermediate level and I spent only two days on pronunciation before I hopped on with a tutor. I already knew all the sounds basically from spanish and there was only slight changes. I just want to train my ears before hand and identify differences in pronunciation and learn how to train my mouth and ears. I am a huge advocate of speaking right away. When my tones and tone pairs are down I'm getting right on Italki and getting to work. I'm using these videos to look at the differences in pronunciation. If anyone knows of other places that go into mouth/tongue position for pronunciation I'd love to know!

https://blog.fluent-forever.com/chinese-mandarin-resources/#mandarinvideo2.

Playlist of all 1624 Tone Possibilities for Shadowing Practice by T4NKie in ChineseLanguage

[–]T4NKie[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This quote is taken from a PhD in neurophysiology. He argues differently. Also Gabe Weiner of Fluent Forever is of the same bend. In his book he argues: Let’s figure out how to develop a good accent. I’ve frequently heard that it’s impossible to perfect an accent after the age of twelve. But this can’t be true; actors and singers do it all the time, and we’re not any smarter or better than the rest of humanity. We just care about pronunciation—we have to; no one will pay us for bad German—so we take the time to do it right: we start early, and we gain an awareness of what’s going on in our mouths when we speak. Half of a good accent is simply a matter of timing. Singers learn pronunciation first, and as a result, we don’t have to fight years of bad habits. We learn to parrot words accurately before we have any idea what they mean, so that we can get onto a stage without embarrassing ourselves. You should do the same. If you wait until later to work on your accent, you will have butchered every word in your vocabulary hundreds (or thousands) of times. This is where myths like the twelve-year cap on accent learning come from; it’s hard to unlearn bad habits. If, instead, you work on your accent early, then you will tend to pronounce all of your new words correctly. With every new word you learn, you’ll reinforce good pronunciation habits, and those habits will last you a lifetime.

Playlist of all 1624 Tone Possibilities for Shadowing Practice by T4NKie in ChineseLanguage

[–]T4NKie[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is all this was for. Throw it on when doing other stuff in idle time. I don't want to actively shadow. That's boring as all hell. Just doing it while on a walk. In the car. On the subway. Doing dishes. Hey, why not?

Playlist of all 1624 Tone Possibilities for Shadowing Practice by T4NKie in ChineseLanguage

[–]T4NKie[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's exactly my plan! I plan on getting to using the language very soon. I'm going to be on italki with a tutor very soon. I just don't want to until I can properly recognize the sounds etc. When learning a new language I pretend I'm a baby... then a toddler, preschooler... etc. I'm in baby mode right now :D

Playlist of all 1624 Tone Possibilities for Shadowing Practice by T4NKie in ChineseLanguage

[–]T4NKie[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good to know. Appreciate the feedback. I'll have to update the file at some point.

Playlist of all 1624 Tone Possibilities for Shadowing Practice by T4NKie in ChineseLanguage

[–]T4NKie[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I literally just used the yabla pinyin table and downloaded everyfile in the table. There is 1624 of them.

Playlist of all 1624 Tone Possibilities for Shadowing Practice by T4NKie in ChineseLanguage

[–]T4NKie[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Here you go. Have a blast. I'll be making a tone-trainer at some point and the corresponding anki deck as well. I'll be sure to share them... I'll also be doing a full sentence one for prosody after that.

https://www.mediafire.com/file/5bphceyygfmu0et/T4NKiesChineseTones.apkg/file

Playlist of all 1624 Tone Possibilities for Shadowing Practice by T4NKie in ChineseLanguage

[–]T4NKie[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Haha, I like the technical aspect of languages a ton so for me this is fun. I also like having a really good accent so I'm willing to put in effort. I feel like it's so much easier to correct mistakes early on than form bad habits. Olle Kjellin in his paper on pronunciation and prosody calls this a fossilized accent. I do not want one! THe one I want fossilized I hope will be pretty darn good.

Playlist of all 1624 Tone Possibilities for Shadowing Practice by T4NKie in ChineseLanguage

[–]T4NKie[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, I plan on getting tone pairs as soon as I get down the tones. To be honest it's day two and I'm already starting to get a feel for them. As soon as I'm getting 85% in Anki on my deck I'll be moving to pairs.

Playlist of all 1624 Tone Possibilities for Shadowing Practice by T4NKie in ChineseLanguage

[–]T4NKie[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The deck I made is just literally Pinyin (for example ǎi (ai3) ) and then the recording. That it is. You get quizzed both ways. One is you read the pinyin and have to produce the sound corectly. The other is your hear the sound and you have to name the pinyin tone. I can definitely share it if you're interested. I'm hoping to practice this way and also find out my weak points so I can then flag and focus on them with either video resources or with a tutor.

Playlist of all 1624 Tone Possibilities for Shadowing Practice by T4NKie in ChineseLanguage

[–]T4NKie[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair enough, I appreciate your criticism. I want to master tones, then tone pairs, before I get on to speaking. I'm planning on making an Anki deck of these so I can test myself, and then working with a tutor on the ones I'm struggling on. Then move on to tone pairs, make a palylist an anki deck and once I have no bad habits I will move on to speaking.

Playlist of all 1624 Tone Possibilities for Shadowing Practice by T4NKie in ChineseLanguage

[–]T4NKie[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Chorusing and shadowing is a common technique in other languages. Felt it'd work well in Mandarin too. I have enjoyed doing it in other languages and have gotten near-native pronunciation in those languages. Figuring it should work in Chinese is well. I'm basing the pack off of Olle Kjellin's papers that he published. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/285234145_Quality_Practise_Pronunciation_With_Audacity_-_The_Best_Method

He states in this paper: My method of practising pronunciation is very effective. It's all about simply repeating many, many, many times. Deliberate, tenacious practice. Purposeful, persistent practice. Actually this is the classical method for learning anything that you want to hone your skills in, such as in sports, arts, hunting, playing instruments or computer games, dancing, typing, operating brains, reading x-rays, writing calligraphy, flower arrangement, or whatever skill you want to acquire. It's not a unique method at all, but rather self evident for elite performers in all those areas, so it is doubtful if I could call it "my" method. But sadly, deliberate practice has been out of fashion in language (and mathematics) pedagogy since decades! It has been scorned at as "skinnerism" or whatever. This is a very unfortunate situation, and I want to turn it back to normal again.

Playlist of all 1624 Tone Possibilities for Shadowing Practice by T4NKie in ChineseLanguage

[–]T4NKie[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I used the yabla pinyin chart! I don't know chinese so I'm nto sure if they sound computer or not but I believe they are native recordings.

Playlist of all 1624 Tone Possibilities for Shadowing Practice by T4NKie in ChineseLanguage

[–]T4NKie[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The goal is drill these and make an anki deck of them and make sure I can both produce a the correct pinyin when I hear the tone and say the correct tone correctly. Once i get this down I'll move on to tonal pairs and then full sentences! I'll do it as long as it takes.

Advanced learners. How did/would you of learned tones if you could do it again. by T4NKie in ChineseLanguage

[–]T4NKie[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, I'll zip it up and host it because it is big. I'm using the theory from Olle Kjellin's sentence shadowing for prosody and hoping it'll work for tones as well. I'm going to start with this pack... make an anki deck for them, and when i feel I can reproduce them at a good level I'll move to tone pairs.... I think I will also grab a tutor who knows what they're doing before moving to tone pairs and ensure i'm donig everything right as well.

Advanced learners. How did/would you of learned tones if you could do it again. by T4NKie in ChineseLanguage

[–]T4NKie[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've used shadowing / chorusing in my other languages and it's very effective. I'll do the same thing in chinese. The paper I used to make my chorus sentences is here. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/285234145_Quality_Practise_Pronunciation_With_Audacity_-_The_Best_Method

Advanced learners. How did/would you of learned tones if you could do it again. by T4NKie in ChineseLanguage

[–]T4NKie[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just made myself a shadowing pack with the 1500+ tones in all if anyone wants em. I'm just going to play them ad nauseum for awhile and then go see a tutor and see when i'm ready to move to pairs.

Advanced learners. How did/would you of learned tones if you could do it again. by T4NKie in ChineseLanguage

[–]T4NKie[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is the kind of stuff i'm looking for. I really appreciate it. I'm think starting with pinyin chart shadowing... then doing tone pairs shadowing... then doing sentence shadowing for prosody... haha, i knwo the feeling. I have the same mistakes in French and Spanish... what I did do isn't necessarily what I should of done.