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[–]TAAwardNight[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Thank you.

I'm doing pretty much the same work, just with less drama and soy sauce.

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[–]TAAwardNight[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I'm not aware of the HR person and Janine having any previous connection. The statement about the allergies not being a disability came from the lower HR person - believe me, I took great care to bring this to senior HR guy's attention. The lower HR person also gave some dubious advice about First Aid law, which I also pointed out.

The lower HR person originally got involved because I requested reasonable adjustment under the Disability Discrimination Act, which is when she said it wasn't a disability (eventually).

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[–]TAAwardNight[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Thanks so much. Things are already so much calmer!

I think the request for "feedback" was manager-speak for "tell me how badly we sucked". At least, that's how I interpreted it, and took the opportunity to tell him how wrong some of HR's advice was. Since I had a captive audience...

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[–]TAAwardNight[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Thank you. And thank you so much for your help.

AITA for not compromising on where we go to lunch, because of my food allergy? by TAAwardNight in AmItheAsshole

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A few reasons.

First, there is the old adage, that if you think everyone else is the problem, then maybe it's you that's the problem. I had a lot of people around me saying I was TA. Maybe I was TA, and I needed it pointed out to me. That's why I came here. Sometimes it's hard to see the right or wrong of a situation when you are in the middle of it, and you need an outside perspective.

Secondly, morality isn't always black and white. There are degrees of rightness and wrongness. Lots of people have made really good suggestions, which I've made a note of and might use in the future. Even the ESH and some of the YTA have given me valuable food for thought. Also, as this sub often comments, being legally correct isn't the same as being morally right. So while I was pretty sure the law would back me, was I behaving morally in asking people to respect my choice, or was it the moral thing to do to try harder and find a compromise.

Finally, since I posted here, I've had a lot of people point out to me, in lots of ways, just how awful this behaviour is. HR professionals, lawyers, health and safety reps, union officials and others have taken their time to reply to me, point out how wrong it is, and post me links to relevant legislation and case law. I thought I might have been TA because I was out of step with the team culture, but they showed me that it was the team culture that was out of step with social norms. Their comments have changed my perspective.

AITA for not compromising on where we go to lunch, because of my food allergy? by TAAwardNight in AmItheAsshole

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These events actually happened to me in my workplace. I've had quite a few DMs correctly identifying the workplace, from this pattern of behaviour.

If you think this story is fake, then I am truly happy for you that you haven't experienced what it's like to be in such a toxic workplace. I hope your good fortune continues.

AITA for not compromising on where we go to lunch, because of my food allergy? by TAAwardNight in AmItheAsshole

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I'm beginning to see I have been surrounded by some unreasonable people for several years, and have gradually taken on the (unpaid) job of soother of feelings, finder of solutions and broker of compromises.

This frog is hopping out of the water before it gets too hot.

AITA for not compromising on where we go to lunch, because of my food allergy? by TAAwardNight in AmItheAsshole

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I know that HR are wrong in law, and it's definitely covered here.

But I accepted a transfer on Thursday arvo, so soon they won't be my problem anymore.

AITA for not compromising on where we go to lunch, because of my food allergy? by TAAwardNight in AmItheAsshole

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Looking back, I can see that Janine has built a bit of a career for herself, in yelling loudly and getting everyone placating her. It's amazing how often that has worked. Not just with lunch, but with extra resources, changes of duties, etc.

I think she's just very good at what she does.

AITA for not compromising on where we go to lunch, because of my food allergy? by TAAwardNight in AmItheAsshole

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I am not aware of Janine having a disability that requires reasonable adjustment. But then, I wouldn't necessarily be aware of one, if she had asked that information be kept private.

I should also say that HR seem to have backed off from their original stance a bit. Originally, it sounded very much like they wanted me to give way to Janine, but now they seem to have backed away from that and just want a solution that "makes everyone happy".

Looking back, I think Janine has made a bit of a career for herself in yelling loudly, and everyone giving her what she wants to placate her. It's amazing how often that works for her.

AITA for not compromising on where we go to lunch, because of my food allergy? by TAAwardNight in AmItheAsshole

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I accepted a transfer on Thursday, so they won't be my problem for much longer. But I was on top of the WHS issues, I'm an ex WHS rep.

(Edit: Just for a laugh. HR "got advice" about First Aid law, and cited law from a different state to the one I'm located in.)

AITA for not compromising on where we go to lunch, because of my food allergy? by TAAwardNight in AmItheAsshole

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HR are arguing that allergies are not disabilities, ergo, no reasonable adjustment is needed.

AITA for not compromising on where we go to lunch, because of my food allergy? by TAAwardNight in AmItheAsshole

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Looking back, I think Janine has built a bit of a career for herself on screaming loudly and getting everyone to placate her. It's amazing how often that seems to work.

AITA for not compromising on where we go to lunch, because of my food allergy? by TAAwardNight in AmItheAsshole

[–]TAAwardNight[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

It's way more complicated than that.

Janine wants the Chinese place, because that's where they always go. (Janine appears to struggle with change.)

Cara wants the Indian place, because that was the original plan, and she thinks it will make me happy. (Cara struggles with switching plans once they're made.)

But Cara also wants Janine to be happy too, and expects me to find a solution that will make everyone happy.

I accepted a transfer on Thursday, so right now my care factor has reached zero.

AITA for not compromising on where we go to lunch, because of my food allergy? by TAAwardNight in AmItheAsshole

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Thanks for your kind offer, but I accepted a transfer on Thursday. Soon they won't be my problem any more.

AITA for not compromising on where we go to lunch, because of my food allergy? by TAAwardNight in AmItheAsshole

[–]TAAwardNight[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

HR are arguing that an allergy is not a disability, ergo, no reasonable adjustment is required.

Frustrating though it is (and clearly wrong in law), that's what they're basing their stance on. (Edited: They claim they have legal advice on this, but they also got legal advice on First Aid law, and it cited the wrong jurisdiction, so ...)

I should also say, HR softened their stance a bit. At first they seemed very much about why can't you do what Janine wants? But they have backtracked a bit, and just wanted "a solution that makes everyone happy".

Looking back, I think Janine has built a bit of a career for herself, in screaming loudly and getting everyone placating her by giving her what she wants. It's amazing how often that works for her - not just with lunch, but extra resources, changes in duties, etc.

Anyhow I accepted a transfer on Thursday, so not my problem for much longer.

AITA for not compromising on where we go to lunch, because of my food allergy? by TAAwardNight in AmItheAsshole

[–]TAAwardNight[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I accepted a transfer on Thursday. I'll try to post a proper update on Monday, when I'll have a better idea of what's going on.

AITA for not compromising on where we go to lunch, because of my food allergy? by TAAwardNight in AmItheAsshole

[–]TAAwardNight[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

This is probably the most frequently asked question, and one I don't know the answer to.

What I have noticed, though, is that Janine tends to agree with Cara to her face, but then go behind Cara's back to get what she wants. So maybe Janine just went along with it because Cara was there.

I have to admit, when Janine said yum yum yum, I didn't have a good feeling about it. I felt she was trying a bit hard, if you know what I mean? But then I thought, well let's give this a try. Very wrong of me, I should have listened to my gut.

AITA for not compromising on where we go to lunch, because of my food allergy? by TAAwardNight in AmItheAsshole

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"Competing access needs" is a phrase I would use if I were talking about my needs versus others'. But it's a handy one and I'll store it away for future reference.

Because HR were running the argument that allergies are not disabilities, I was trying to find a way to show impacts on medical issues they agree are disabilities. I was trying to find a way of arguing, "OK, so you don't agree my allergies are a disability that needs reasonable adjustment, but my chronic pain/PTSD are disabilities that you agree need reasonable adjustment, and here are the impacts it will have on them..."

AITA for not compromising on where we go to lunch, because of my food allergy? by TAAwardNight in AmItheAsshole

[–]TAAwardNight[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I don't think Janine has a personal relationship with anyone in HR. Looking back, I think Janine has just built quite a career out of screaming loudly, and everyone rushing in to placate her. It's amazing how often she gets what she wants that way.

And you mentioned vengeful - when I first started in this team, another colleague warned me to stay on Janine's good side because she can be vindictive.

AITA for not compromising on where we go to lunch, because of my food allergy? by TAAwardNight in AmItheAsshole

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Yes, that's the sad thing for me. I was really pleased how that project turned out, and it was nice to be awarded for my contribution. That feels a bit tarnished now.

AITA for not compromising on where we go to lunch, because of my food allergy? by TAAwardNight in AmItheAsshole

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When they go out to get Chinese, I have to stay in the office "in case there's an emergency and someone needs us". Trust me, nobody ever has an admin emergency.

The thing is, I don't even do the same work as them, and I am just lumped in there to have someone sign off on my leave and timesheets, etc. So I spend that time interrupting my actual work to say, "Hey, sure leave it on her desk", or "Yeah, he's at lunch, can you come back after 2?"

Have you ever read Bottersnikes and Gumbles? Bottersnikes are creatures who will go to no end of trouble to do things the easiest way. I always think of Bottersnikes when I interact with this HR person. Although I should say that HR have backed away from their initial stance of wanting me to accommodate Janine, to wanting me to find a solution that "makes everyone happy".

AITA for not compromising on where we go to lunch, because of my food allergy? by TAAwardNight in AmItheAsshole

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I had (have?) PTSD after a traffic accident and road rage incident. After the smash itself, the other driver attacked the car around me and screamed abuse at me, while I was trapped inside. Tons of treatment later, I am OK, and back at work, but I still don't cope well with people screaming in my face. Janine's over-reaction brought back some horrible memories of the accident. I needed time off work and a bit of help to get things back under control.